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14:18:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
14:18:43 <trackbot> Date: 13 January 2021
14:18:45 <paul_grenier> zakim, agenda?
14:18:45 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:18:57 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
14:19:42 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Editor's Draft Updates https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/#attribute-ssml
14:19:46 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Review Timeline https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/Timeline
14:19:50 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Github Issues
14:19:54 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Action Updates
14:19:57 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Upcoming Meeting
14:20:00 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Other Business
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14:53:26 <IrfanA> trackbot, start meeting
14:53:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:53:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
14:53:32 <trackbot> Date: 13 January 2021
14:53:36 <IrfanA> present+
14:53:49 <IrfanA> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:54:04 <IrfanA> agenda?
14:55:29 <IrfanA> Chair: Irfan Ali & Paul Grenier
14:55:39 <IrfanA> zakim, who is here?
14:55:39 <Zakim> Present: IrfanA
14:55:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see IrfanA, Zakim, RRSAgent, paul_grenier, becky, Roy, MichaelC, trackbot
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15:01:43 <paul_grenier> present+
15:02:25 <Roy> present+
15:03:05 <Dee> present+
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15:06:34 <IrfanA> zaki, who is here?
15:06:40 <IrfanA> zakim, who is here?
15:06:40 <Zakim> Present: IrfanA, paul_grenier, Roy, Dee
15:06:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, janina, Dee, IrfanA, Zakim, RRSAgent, paul_grenier, Roy, MichaelC, trackbot
15:07:04 <janina> present+
15:07:07 <JF> Present+
15:07:27 <IrfanA> Zakim, pick a victim
15:07:27 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose paul_grenier
15:07:58 <JF> agenda?
15:08:14 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
15:08:14 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from paul_grenier]
15:08:31 <IrfanA> Scribe: Paul Grenier
15:08:46 <Roy> scribe: paul_grenier
15:09:39 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
15:09:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Editor's Draft Updates https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/#attribute-ssml -- taken up [from paul_grenier]
15:10:50 <paul_grenier> irfan: we need to remove inline SSML approach and add the two alternatives for attribute model with their examples.
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15:13:24 <paul_grenier> irfan: we're dropping the inline SSML but addressing issues with JSON-based example with a multi-attribute example. Eventually, only one approach will survive.
15:14:55 <paul_grenier> janina: the first public working draft will have both attribute approaches and seek feedback
15:16:04 <paul_grenier> irfan: we need one more implementation, in addition to texthelp
15:16:34 <paul_grenier> JF: nvda also supports a plugin architecture, could we pursue a plugin?
15:17:10 <paul_grenier> mhakkinen: nvda and orca are python plugins
15:18:28 <paul_grenier> mhakkinen: Joanie has been influential with VoiceOver
15:18:45 <paul_grenier> JF: how do we get this to be a priority for Joanie?
15:19:20 <paul_grenier> janina: we could bring this up for some funding
15:20:06 <IrfanA> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:20:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-pronunciation-minutes.html IrfanA
15:20:20 <paul_grenier> mhakkinen: we can also bring up the epub implementation which is all JavaScript based
15:21:53 <paul_grenier> janina: irfan and paul need to invite potential funding
15:22:19 <JF> ACTION: Irfan to invite Shadi to our next meeting
15:22:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Invite shadi to our next meeting [on Irfan Ali - due 2021-01-20].
15:22:35 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
15:22:35 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review Timeline https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/Timeline -- taken up [from paul_grenier]
15:24:23 <paul_grenier> irfan: dec 2022 for CR is the current goal
15:25:18 <paul_grenier> janina: we are somewhat dependent on WHATWG to give us a reserved prefix to use instead of data-*
15:25:40 <paul_grenier> janina: we may need to pad the timeline to account for coordinating that
15:30:56 <paul_grenier> JF: do we add 6 months?
15:31:06 <paul_grenier> janina: other TF has gone with 12 months
15:33:05 <paul_grenier> mhakkinen: the implementations can proceed without that approval
15:33:23 <paul_grenier> janina: we can't move from CR to PR until we have a reserved word
15:33:40 <paul_grenier> janina: a second CR phase will be needed with the reserved word
15:35:38 <Roy> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html
15:37:12 <paul_grenier> janina: if we have implementations, we may not need to go to a second CR
15:37:25 <paul_grenier> irfan: timeline is updated to 2023
15:37:25 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
15:37:25 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Github Issues -- taken up [from paul_grenier]
15:37:56 <paul_grenier> zakim, close this item
15:37:56 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:37:57 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:37:57 <Zakim> 5. Action Updates [from paul_grenier]
15:38:07 <paul_grenier> zakim, take up item 5
15:38:07 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Action Updates -- taken up [from paul_grenier]
15:38:41 <JF> agenda?
15:38:52 <paul_grenier> irfan: Mark and I will merge our changes based on the new demo in github
15:41:12 <paul_grenier> JF: CSUN 2021, it's too late. It seems what we'll want is the implementations so we can do show & tell.
15:43:06 <paul_grenier> JF: a python conference would be good if we're looking for implementors but if we're looking for content authors, we probably want to focus on places like Educause.
15:44:28 <JF> +1 to Janina - implementations is king
15:45:09 <paul_grenier> janina: we need to focus on socializing implementations right now
15:45:41 <paul_grenier> JF: (agree) I will draft an document about taking it out after we have those implementations
15:48:09 <paul_grenier> mhakkinen: Debbie Dahl would be interested (Conversational Technologies)
15:50:18 <paul_grenier> JF: maybe in our wiki we can capture all these socialization ideas
15:51:04 <IrfanA> action: JF to create a wiki page for social ideas
15:51:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Create a wiki page for social ideas [on John Foliot - due 2021-01-20].
15:51:58 <paul_grenier> janina: there's a wishlist coming out of RQTF that we can add to
15:52:30 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/pronunciation/track/actions/open
15:52:37 <JF> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/Socialization
15:52:56 <IrfanA> trackbot, close action-22
15:52:56 <trackbot> Closed action-22.
15:53:31 <paul_grenier> zakim, take up item 7
15:53:31 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Other Business -- taken up [from paul_grenier]
15:54:17 <IrfanA> trackbot, close action-19
15:54:17 <trackbot> Closed action-19.
15:54:35 <paul_grenier> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:54:38 <paul_grenier> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:54:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-pronunciation-minutes.html paul_grenier
15:54:48 <IrfanA> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:54:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-pronunciation-minutes.html IrfanA
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