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16:52:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:52:27 <trackbot> Date: 13 January 2021
16:52:35 <janina> agenda?
16:52:41 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
16:52:41 <Zakim> agenda cleared
16:52:45 <janina> Chair:  Janina
16:52:45 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
16:52:45 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Updates
16:52:45 <janina> agenda+ Accessibility Considerations template Proposal
16:52:45 <janina> agenda+ APA Rechartering https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html
16:52:48 <janina> agenda+ FAST Progress
16:52:50 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
16:52:53 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:52:56 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
16:52:58 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
16:53:01 <janina> agenda+ Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
16:53:04 <janina> agenda+ New Minutes Templates
16:53:06 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups Tracking https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
16:53:09 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:53:11 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:55:18 <janina>  regrets: Gottfried
16:55:21 <janina> present+
16:59:03 <joconnor> present+
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17:01:36 <joconnor> scribe: joconnor
17:01:38 <becky> present+
17:01:40 <amy_c> present+
17:01:44 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:01:44 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
17:01:50 <Ela> present+
17:02:04 <joconnor> JS: Full agenda today
17:02:29 <joconnor> Anyone with items?
17:02:54 <joconnor> Is Ian P here?
17:02:58 <joconnor> IP: I am.
17:03:01 <joconnor> JS: Welcome
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17:03:30 <joconnor> Ian is with Leonie now in Tetralogical.
17:03:30 <JF> Present+
17:03:39 <paul_grenier> present+
17:03:48 <joconnor> <Ian Pouncey gives intro>
17:04:06 <joconnor> Looking forward to get back involved.
17:04:14 <joconnor> JS: Great to have you back for CSS issues.
17:04:30 <joconnor> IP: Looking forward to supporting you all.
17:04:51 <NeilS> present+
17:05:00 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:05:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from janina]
17:05:18 <joconnor> JS: We have a repo question
17:05:39 <joconnor> Josh is working on a personalization demo and paper
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17:06:22 <IanPouncey> present+
17:06:35 <JonnyJames> present+
17:06:52 <paul_grenier> joconnor: I've built a demo of immersive communication with personalization support
17:07:35 <paul_grenier> joconnor: it's a little contrived in some ways but it demonstrates using a framework like A-frame it shows adding these semantics like HTML or aria
17:08:14 <paul_grenier> joconnor: if this can be supported out-of-the-box then we can add these semantics for folks with cognitive/learning disabilities.
17:10:00 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: a repository transfer can move it to the w3c organization
17:10:43 <paul_grenier> JF: I worked an another project we can take cooperation offline
17:11:20 <paul_grenier> joconnor: I struggled with some of the tasks like requesting redraws on canvas, maybe I can get help from Matthew or others
17:11:49 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: coordinate with me and we'll update the permissions and ownership after migration
17:12:02 <paul_grenier> joconnor: great. just going to prep Matthew
17:12:25 <JF> Q+
17:12:33 <paul_grenier> janina: we want the show & tell. Many folks using AT want the support of symbol sets and choice between sets.
17:13:06 <paul_grenier> janina: we can make controls show up in AAC symbology and adjust to the preference of the user.
17:13:29 <joconnor> JS: <gives background>
17:13:58 <joconnor> ack JF
17:14:24 <joconnor> JF: Using Bliss etc is important, but it is one of 6 new attributes that are being introduced
17:14:39 <joconnor> JF: Dont want us to over emphasize Bliss usage.
17:14:52 <joconnor> JS: I hear that, we should have that converstation
17:16:19 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:16:19 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Accessibility Considerations template Proposal -- taken up [from janina]
17:16:35 <joconnor> zakim, drop item 3
17:16:35 <Zakim> agendum 3, Accessibility Considerations template Proposal, dropped
17:16:47 <joconnor> zakim, take up item 2
17:16:47 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from janina]
17:16:58 <joconnor> JS: We have asked TFs to get the charter out the door etc
17:17:00 <joconnor> by end of Jan
17:17:10 <joconnor> We have two groups with normative deliverables etc
17:17:19 <joconnor> Michael has some tasks on that.
17:17:37 <joconnor> RQTF in a good place - they may wish to tweak but done by next week
17:17:49 <joconnor> We will soon have draft charter where we can do CFC
17:17:54 <joconnor> Questions etc?
17:18:07 <joconnor> JS: Anything else from TFs?
17:18:20 <joconnor> JS: We do expect to be dropping one of our TF
17:19:10 <joconnor> Joint one with AGWG. We are not doing much with COGA, and still expect to drop COGA in the new charter.
17:19:26 <joconnor> JS: Our responsibility with horizontal review continues.
17:19:32 <JF> agenda?
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17:20:17 <joconnor> zakim, take up item 3
17:20:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Accessibility Considerations template Proposal -- taken up [from janina]
17:20:33 <joconnor> JS: I found this from last years template
17:20:37 <joconnor> John this was on you?
17:20:52 <joconnor> Not sure where we left this.
17:21:18 <joconnor> JF: I've not done anything here but there is a new template for minutes and we wanted to review it
17:21:24 <joconnor> I like the new one, easier to read.
17:21:37 <joconnor> I'm tasked to audit.
17:22:13 <joconnor> JF: That is fine. But we were noting that there would be security and privacy etc we want to do something with a11y.
17:22:51 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:22:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- APA Rechartering https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html -- taken up [from janina]
17:23:07 <joconnor> JS: We've talked a little through this.
17:23:17 <joconnor> Need Michael, so we will come back to it.
17:23:28 <joconnor> Hopeing to close on charter in two weeks.
17:23:40 <joconnor> Fine tuning time.
17:23:54 <joconnor> Qs?
17:24:03 <joconnor> MC: Roy has made some notes on deliverables
17:24:09 <joconnor> Should have those next week
17:24:14 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:24:14 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- FAST Progress -- taken up [from janina]
17:24:31 <paul_grenier> janina: FAST
17:25:03 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: Josh and I talked briefly, I'm going to think about structure and he's going to think about content. I'm going to get something into review.
17:25:13 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:25:13 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, paul_grenier
17:25:25 <paul_grenier> zakim, close this item
17:25:25 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
17:25:26 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:25:26 <Zakim> 6. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 [from janina]
17:25:32 <paul_grenier> zakim, take up item 6
17:25:32 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
17:25:49 <MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/sw-2020.html
17:25:52 <joconnor> MC: Service workers group
17:26:02 <joconnor> <gives overview>
17:26:08 <joconnor> Relates to background processing
17:26:17 <joconnor> We've reviewed but not filed comments
17:26:19 <joconnor> Its in CR
17:26:46 <joconnor> They want to incubate some things - background sync etc
17:27:05 <joconnor> I think as we've reviewed it, we may look for more
17:27:26 <joconnor> JS: As Service workers are appropriate for a11y checking of third party platforms etc
17:27:40 <joconnor> BG: Yes, this may be an issue with screen readers
17:27:48 <joconnor> JS: And other AT.
17:28:07 <joconnor> JS: Ok, we can pass.
17:28:17 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:28:17 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
17:28:50 <joconnor> MC: The new stuff this week is ePub - overview, 3.3, reading systems and multiple rendition publications 1.1
17:29:02 <joconnor> MC: <gives overview>
17:29:42 <joconnor> Reading systems is REC track, defines conformance reqs for ePub readers. Multiple renditions is a note. Confused on status.
17:29:47 <joconnor> MC: Do we need to review?
17:30:03 <joconnor> JS: I'm happy there is already a strong a11y group there.
17:30:07 <joconnor> Opinions?
17:30:22 <joconnor> JS: When we have new things, we can work on integrations - a la AAC etc
17:30:51 <joconnor> Personalization, Pronunciations etc - I think we can let this go.
17:30:59 <joconnor> Disagreement?
17:31:01 <joconnor> <crickets>
17:31:21 <joconnor> MC: The horizontal review tracker has the same issues
17:31:56 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:31:56 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
17:32:25 <joconnor> JS: I think I was to review something, but on looking back I couldn't find it.
17:32:42 <joconnor> I did Colour adjustment, and we dropped the Box Model one.
17:32:49 <joconnor> BG: The level 4 one?
17:33:03 <joconnor> AC: May be
17:33:18 <joconnor> I'll move onto some older issues.
17:33:26 <joconnor> JS: Thats great with IanP back
17:33:34 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/23
17:34:11 <joconnor> AC: This relates to CSS AAM - posted by JamesN
17:34:27 <joconnor> Relates to how visual order and DOM order can get out of sync
17:34:43 <joconnor> So do these specs need to be reviewed?
17:34:53 <joconnor> JS: We are missing some context.
17:35:13 <joconnor> This is like a to-do list.
17:35:48 <joconnor> IP: THere have been attempts to do a CSS AAM - this came from when the CSS group realised they didn't know how text transforms were done in browsers.
17:36:01 <joconnor> They didnt know that it touches the a11y tree, it does.
17:36:11 <joconnor> <gives more background>
17:36:19 <joconnor> This is something we would like to investigate.
17:36:28 <joconnor> JS: An AAM for CSS would be cool.
17:36:32 <joconnor> AC: Whats AAM?
17:37:04 <joconnor> JS: ARIA concept - the implementation details of the spec was split up.
17:37:30 <becky>  AAM = Accessibility API Mapping
17:37:33 <joconnor> It's a table with all these implementation details
17:38:06 <joconnor> JS: YAAM - lolz
17:38:24 <joconnor> IanP: The fun bit is documenting what is vs what should be.
17:38:40 <joconnor> JS: Joannie works on this
17:39:13 <joconnor> Contributes to Mac parser engines etc and Linuxy stuff
17:39:16 <joconnor> JS: That clear?
17:39:39 <joconnor> JOC: That was useful.
17:40:02 <joconnor> JS: The wiki page by Josh for new features in APA
17:40:21 <joconnor> We are talking about issues in ARIA regarding Braille.
17:40:38 <joconnor> We want to name things that would be implementable etc - stuff that we want to do.
17:40:45 <joconnor> And make happen.
17:41:01 <joconnor> There are somethings that ARIA can do better - not just support screen readers
17:41:11 <joconnor> Doesn't work so great with Braille output
17:41:58 <joconnor> Here it is https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Wishlist_2021
17:42:39 <paul_grenier> joconnor: it lists a few technologies like aria, html, css and headings for immersive XAUR, we need to look at the dom overlay API
17:42:58 <paul_grenier> joconnor: RTC, video/audio applications, I just finished it this afternoon (early stages)
17:43:03 <joconnor>  /me thanks Paul
17:43:10 <joconnor> JS: <gives overview>
17:43:37 <joconnor> JS: With Braille you can route content from a UI to specific sections of the Braille device for example
17:43:48 <joconnor> You could chunk it into 4 regions
17:44:02 <joconnor> And there are support needs from ARIA, and webclients
17:44:04 <joconnor> q?
17:44:15 <joconnor> PG: Sounds like the Screenfold API
17:44:34 <becky> Q+ to comment on spec Amy agreed to review
17:44:52 <joconnor> JS: Yes - I know your voices, and it would be great to know on calls I take, with people I don't know - how to track better
17:45:07 <joconnor> I'd like to know who is speaking etc
17:45:52 <joconnor> ack becky
17:45:52 <Zakim> becky, you wanted to comment on spec Amy agreed to review
17:46:08 <joconnor> BG: Amy it was CSS Box Model Level 3
17:46:12 <joconnor> AC: Ok
17:46:13 <becky> CSS Box Model Module Level 3 <https://www.w3.org/TR/css-box-3/>
17:46:39 <joconnor> JS: Maybe Ian would take one?
17:47:06 <joconnor> IanP: I'll wait a little.
17:47:09 <joconnor> JS: Np
17:47:29 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/22
17:47:40 <joconnor> AC: Speaking of ARIA, I will need a little help with that.
17:47:59 <joconnor> Relates to scrollable region property, to make that more specific?
17:48:24 <joconnor> <gives overview>
17:48:54 <joconnor> That an ARIA thing - a 2.0 - future tech
17:48:58 <joconnor> They are working on 1.2
17:49:16 <joconnor> Some of our things are going to be 1.4 for example.
17:49:41 <joconnor> JS: Expects little progress here.
17:49:55 <joconnor> It should be listed with ARIA - maybe ping the chairs.
17:50:56 <joconnor> <history>
17:51:31 <joconnor> AC: Thats it
17:51:36 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:51:36 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
17:51:48 <joconnor> JS: Anyone?
17:52:03 <joconnor> PG: 2277 and 2278
17:52:07 <joconnor> JS: Comments on specs?
17:52:11 <joconnor> PG: Yup
17:52:47 <joconnor> JS: Any rush on this - there is a procedure, we can talk Tues.
17:53:29 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:53:29 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
17:53:45 <joconnor> JS: Michael did this.
17:53:59 <joconnor> BG: CSS issue.
17:54:05 <joconnor> JS: We made some progress on that
17:54:25 <joconnor> zakim, close this item
17:54:25 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
17:54:26 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:54:26 <Zakim> 11. New Minutes Templates [from janina]
17:54:36 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:54:36 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- New Minutes Templates -- taken up [from janina]
17:54:49 <joconnor> JS: John F when you are ready to give report please do
17:55:02 <joconnor> This can fall into action related review etc
17:55:18 <joconnor> JF: Can you give me another 2 weeks.
17:55:31 <joconnor> BG: <looks for open actions>
17:55:55 <joconnor> JF: 2276 is on me, due today.
17:56:09 <joconnor> JS: I'll give you three.
17:56:29 <joconnor> JF: I've a FAST review item also.
17:57:29 <joconnor> zakim, next item
17:57:29 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- Community Groups Tracking https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups -- taken up [from janina]
17:58:33 <joconnor> JS: APA not working on this at the moment
17:59:02 <joconnor> JS: We will need to plan to take action.
18:00:10 <joconnor> rrsagent, list attendees
18:00:10 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', joconnor.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:00:22 <joconnor> zakim, end meeting
18:00:22 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JF, IrfanA, NeilS, Matthew_Atkinson, paul_grenier, Léonie, (tink), joconnor, amy_c, becky, JPaton, Ela, janina, IanPouncey, JonnyJames
18:00:25 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:00:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-apa-minutes.html Zakim
18:00:27 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, joconnor; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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18:02:02 <joconnor> rrsagent, please part
18:02:02 <RRSAgent> I see no action items