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14:04:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Personalization Task Force Teleconference
14:04:47 <trackbot> Date: 11 January 2021
14:05:12 <sharon> zakim, clear agenda
14:05:12 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:05:43 <sharon> agenda+ Distraction example PR, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2020Dec/0008.html
14:06:46 <sharon> agenda+ Charter for APA (due end of the month)- Proposed https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2021Jan/0004.html
14:07:13 <sharon> Link updates to explainer and requirements, https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/ and https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Requirements
14:07:32 <sharon> agenda+ Link updates to explainer and requirements, https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/ and https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Requirements
14:08:04 <sharon> agenda+ WhatWG re: data- ask for a permanent reserved prefix
14:08:33 <sharon> agenda+ Review remaining Actions, https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/actions
14:08:38 <sharon> agenda?
14:08:51 <sharon> chair: sharon
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15:00:37 <janina> present+
15:01:16 <Roy> present+
15:02:00 <LisaSeemanKest> present+
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15:02:56 <CharlesL> present+
15:04:05 <becky> present+
15:11:13 <CharlesL> agenda?
15:11:15 <becky> scribe: becky
15:11:34 <becky> zakim, next item
15:11:34 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Distraction example PR, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2020Dec/0008.html -- taken up [from sharon]
15:11:54 <LisaSeemanKest> +1 to Beckies examples and pll request
15:12:45 <becky> Becky:  I added the two examples, just need people to review
15:12:47 <CharlesL> +1
15:12:52 <sharon> +1
15:13:01 <becky> Sharon: if no objections will ask Roy to approve the pull request
15:13:08 <becky> zakim, next item
15:13:08 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Charter for APA (due end of the month)- Proposed https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2021Jan/0004.html -- taken up [from sharon]
15:14:27 <LisaSeemanKest>  module 1: pr
15:14:27 <LisaSeemanKest> >    - module 2: WD  Hopely CR if we can
15:14:28 <LisaSeemanKest> >    - develop best practice (may included user settings)
15:14:28 <LisaSeemanKest> >    - module 3 : WD
15:14:44 <becky> Sharon: John's suggestion for our charter. Lisa suggested Mod. 1 to PR, mod. 2 as WD, Best practices, and Mod. 3 as WD
15:15:17 <becky> Janina: clarification for module 1 - do we mean TR (technical) vs PR (proposed)
15:15:26 <becky> Lisa: yes TR for mod. 1
15:16:16 <janina> q+
15:16:45 <becky> Sharon: reads John's email. Wants to see Best practices for both tool implementers and content authors, suggests we add wording about proposing new SC for WCAG  version 2.3 as part of our mandate
15:17:47 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
15:17:58 <becky> Janina: I think list of deliverables is ambitious; probably ok since only TR is module 1; specify that best practices are for module 1 only; less comfortable doing prototype work for AG working; might be useful to have cross group meeting
15:18:02 <becky> ack Janina
15:18:48 <becky> Janina: we don't have to have work with AG / suggest new SC within the charter, that is part of overall APA to work with other groups
15:19:26 <sharon> ack Lisa
15:21:24 <becky> Lisa: I agree that we don't need working with AG in the charter. We can certainly develop some best practices but if we need implementations before we can create content best practices. So, not as comfortable promising authoring best practices.
15:21:56 <becky> Lisa: previously we made two lists - one for charter and another for the group. They may not be exactly the same.
15:22:45 <becky> Janina: suggest wording of creating best practices for "such as" and provide examples - content and authoring.
15:23:35 <becky> Becky: Biggest issue is the dates. So have 3 normative track and 1 supporting document
15:24:53 <becky> Janina: the key with the normative specs if we have to agree on when we will get to CR. Michael okay with going to CR with data- as long as make sure implementers are aware that data- will be replaced with a reserved prefix when it is determined
15:26:14 <becky> Lisa: then we can add an editor's note about data- changing
15:26:45 <becky> Janina: yes, add an editors note where data- is introduced
15:26:48 <becky> Lisa: will draft editor's note and send to the list
15:27:47 <becky> Sharon: do we want module 2 as CR?
15:28:14 <becky> Janina: can't go to CR unless it is listed in the charter
15:28:24 <CharlesL> q+
15:29:13 <becky> Janina: propose TR for module 1 in 2022 by TPAC (Q4)
15:29:21 <sharon> ack Charles
15:30:26 <becky> Charles: Stretch goal of CR for mod. 2 by 2024, Q2
15:34:00 <becky> Janina: Reviews Candidate Rec (CR), PR proposed Rec (must have 2 independent implementations); Then create report to director with review of implementations and requirements are valid. Once approved then can transistion to TR Technical rec. after time for review and votes from w3c governing body. If enough votes, becomes an official TR
15:35:08 <becky> Janina: propose PR for mod 1 in Q2 of 2022
15:36:48 <becky> Janina: very close to CR for mod. 1 now.  Second CR in Q3/Q4 of this year once have attribute.  Implementers update implementations with new attribute and complete by Q1 2022. Then move onto PR
15:37:47 <becky> Lisa: need implementations before asking for attribute; lots of emails going back and forth to coordinate
15:38:21 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
15:38:48 <becky> Janina: if we need to push mod 1 to 2023 perhaps we should not put mod. 2 into CR
15:39:06 <sharon> ack Lisa
15:39:40 <CharlesL> q+
15:40:06 <becky> Lisa: no one minds if you are early. Can say mod 1 in 2023 but can finish in 2022 (which may be optimistic); this gives implementers more time
15:41:23 <becky> Lisa: believe module 2 should go faster, we will have the reserved prefix and shouldn't have the research and data dash issues we had with mod. 1
15:41:27 <sharon> ack Charles
15:42:45 <becky> Charles: want to keep mod. 2 as a CR  by end of charter; okay with pushing for mod 1 TR by Q4 2024; There will be periods of waiting for mod 1 implementers that we can be working on module. 2
15:44:55 <becky> Janina: TR for mod. 1 Q4 2023; CR for mod. 2 by Q2 2024
15:45:32 <becky> Charles:  we will be working on mod. 1 and mod. 2 in parallel
15:45:45 <becky> Janina: and will already have the reserved prefix for module 2
15:46:24 <becky> Janina:  dates are not needed for WD and Best Practices
15:46:56 <becky> Charles: do we have to put WD in the charter
15:47:50 <becky> Janina: if the WD is already published it we continue to work on it, don't need to include a date.
15:48:25 <LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-tools-1.0/
15:48:45 <becky> Janina: we will put mod. 3 in the charter as a working draft; confirmed that we have already published it is an "official" WD
15:48:46 <becky> zakim, next item
15:48:46 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Link updates to explainer and requirements, https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/ and https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Requirements --
15:48:49 <Zakim> ... taken up [from sharon]
15:50:08 <becky> Sharon: these are emails from Lisa clarifying links for the module to make sure explainer and requirements go to TR track documents (not the wiki)
15:50:45 <becky> Roy: I can check all of the links in the content module (mod. 1)
15:50:45 <becky> zakim, next item
15:50:45 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- WhatWG re: data- ask for a permanent reserved prefix -- taken up [from sharon]
15:51:48 <becky> Janina: this is postponed now that we are going to publish (CR) with data- and editor's note that this will change.  Once implementations we will go to WHAT-WG for reserved attribute
15:51:54 <becky> zakim, next item
15:51:54 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Review remaining Actions, https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/actions -- taken up [from sharon]
15:52:15 <becky> Sharon: Asking about BCI numbers
15:52:44 <becky> Roy:  this is still pending, will continue to pursue
15:52:46 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
15:52:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/11-personalization-minutes.html becky
15:54:24 <becky> Lisa: add than Roy is going to update the links, remove old editor's notes so can add the new on about data-
15:54:45 <becky> s/than/that
15:54:46 <becky> Sharon: Roy has todo to add video to home page
15:54:55 <becky> Roy: have to review with Michael
15:55:46 <becky> Roy: we opened Issue #144 and #145 about I18N - we need to resolve addn. comments
15:56:45 <becky> Sharon: no meeting on Monday, Jan. 18
15:57:01 <becky> Lisa: also need a cfc to publish
15:57:11 <becky> Janina: yes, at APA level
15:57:30 <becky> Sharon: I'll clean up the list of actions in wiki
15:57:46 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
15:57:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/11-personalization-minutes.html becky
15:59:29 <LisaSeemanKest> thanks folks
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