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18:31:31 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
18:31:32 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jeanne
18:31:45 <jeanne> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
18:31:45 <jeanne> present:
18:31:45 <jeanne> chair: Shawn, jeanne
18:31:45 <jeanne> present+
18:31:46 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
18:31:46 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
18:31:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/08-silver-minutes.html jeanne
18:31:46 <jeanne> q?
18:31:46 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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19:01:52 <jeanne> regrets: Bruce, Sukriti, David, Todd
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19:03:35 <jeanne> zakim, take up item
19:03:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up item', jeanne
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19:03:42 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 1
19:03:42 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
19:03:45 <shari> present+
19:03:49 <uxjennifer> present+
19:03:50 <Chuck> agenda?
19:03:56 <jeanne> agenda+ update on publishing
19:03:56 <jeanne> agenda+ Meeting schedule time changes for 2021
19:03:56 <jeanne> agenda+ Subgroup checkins
19:04:09 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 1
19:04:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- update on publishing -- taken up [from jeanne]
19:04:24 <Chuck> https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/303
19:04:25 <sajkaj> ca: Transition request for FPWD has been forwarded
19:04:43 <sajkaj> ca: Track progress at above link
19:05:17 <sajkaj> ca: Anticipating new issues emerging as a result of moving to FPWD; suggest time to discuss
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19:07:35 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 2
19:07:35 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Meeting schedule time changes for 2021 -- taken up [from jeanne]
19:07:36 <Jan> present+ Jan
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19:08:03 <sajkaj> js: SSeveral requests to change time and day
19:08:20 <sajkaj> js: Of course we eventually move to AGWG's Tuesday 11AM Bopston time
19:09:05 <sajkaj> js: That puts Silver plus AGWG participants on the phone from 9:30 AM to 1:00 PM Boston with a brief 30 minute break (perhaps)
19:09:25 <sajkaj> js: But there's also the challenge of participation across North America, Europe, and Japan
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19:10:07 <sajkaj> js: Asking for discussion ... We will follow with a poll
19:10:12 <Jemma> It would be a good idea to have one meeting only.
19:10:14 <KimD> present+
19:10:17 <sajkaj> js: So, for now, let's narrow down what's in the poll
19:10:24 <Lauriat> q+ to propose maybe a rotating time?
19:10:42 <Chuck> janina:  SInce we are heading to an 11am on tueday's in boston, how about same hour different day?
19:10:45 <PeterKorn> +1 to that idea
19:11:03 <sajkaj> sj: Suggests 11AM Boston some other day of the week because we're going to that time on Tuesdays anyway
19:11:14 <sajkaj> sl: Suggests a rotating time schedule
19:11:14 <Jan> Doesn't 11:00 a.m. Eastern put a burden on our Asia participants?
19:11:20 <Chuck> q+
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19:11:30 <sajkaj> sl: Was original idea of two meetings at disparate times
19:12:06 <Lauriat> ack me
19:12:06 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to propose maybe a rotating time?
19:12:10 <sajkaj> sl: Notes it could be a bit tricky to track what week
19:12:16 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
19:12:23 <Chuck> -0.0001
19:12:41 <sajkaj> ca: Slight objection to rotating; perfers consistency
19:12:43 <Lauriat> +1 to not wanting to over-complicate things. :-)
19:13:09 <sajkaj> ca: Prefers early in the day -- even though I'm Mountain Time!
19:13:42 <KimD> +1 I will not be able to meet at changing times.
19:13:43 <sajkaj> rm: Suggests a non 11AM time to share the pain
19:14:44 <Jemma> It is 4:14am in Japan now.
19:15:26 <sajkaj> sj: Notes a later day Boston time is problem for Europe
19:15:33 <CharlesHall> proposal: shorter meetings, more frequently, and distributed
19:15:35 <sajkaj> js: Originally, we didn't have much Euro participation
19:15:37 <Lauriat> Note: we've also had periodic interest in Australia and I think India, so I don't want to completely discount other time zones, even if we focus on the current participants.
19:15:48 <Jan> It's 7:15 p.m in the UK right now.
19:15:58 <sajkaj> js: Notes Friday Euro participation low for just that reason
19:16:04 <PeterKorn> q+
19:16:06 <CharlesHall> and 4:15 in tokyo
19:16:54 <sajkaj> pk: Given importance of Makoto's contribution suggesting 10AM Boston
19:18:11 <CharlesHall> additional proposal: take advantage of our W3C Slack community
19:18:23 <sajkaj> Francis: Willing to do 6:30 Pacific to help with Makato
19:18:47 <sajkaj> pk: 7AM would make biggish difference for me -- also have late meetings
19:19:07 <sajkaj> ch: Shorter meetings, less frequently
19:19:36 <sajkaj> ch: Suggests using slack
19:19:40 <sajkaj> js: Please explain
19:19:47 <sajkaj> ch: Allows nonsynchronous
19:20:05 <chrisloiselle> q+
19:20:09 <sajkaj> js: How does that help as a substitute for a meeting?
19:20:12 <PeterKorn> q-
19:20:19 <sajkaj> ch: Not substitute, just another option
19:20:28 <Lauriat> ack chrisloiselle
19:21:01 <sajkaj> cl: Likes the idea of a recording one can audition asynchronously
19:21:05 <Lauriat> q+ to mention meeting minutes, resolutions, and summaries emailed out.
19:21:35 <sajkaj> sl: Sill not understanding what slack would contribute that we don't already have
19:21:37 <Lauriat> ack me
19:21:37 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to mention meeting minutes, resolutions, and summaries emailed out.
19:21:51 <Chuck> q+
19:21:55 <KimD> +1 to SL - I think we're covered with email
19:22:01 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
19:22:11 <sajkaj> ca: Also not opposed but don't understand the value add
19:23:04 <CharlesHall> we have that channel – #silver-wcag3
19:23:18 <sajkaj> rm: A dedicated slack channel would aggregate text conversations; could keep audio recordings limited to participants
19:24:01 <uxjennifer> Q
19:24:10 <sajkaj> sj: asks about slack accessibility?
19:24:17 <sajkaj> pk: disappointing
19:24:18 <uxjennifer> Q+
19:24:24 <Rachael> Present+
19:24:35 <jeanne> ack uxje
19:24:58 <CharlesHall> to that point, Slack is now owned by SalesForce
19:25:58 <sajkaj> Jennifer: Suggests MS Teams ...
19:26:01 <CharlesHall> Slack has a dedicated accessibility team
19:26:38 <sajkaj> js: Notes use of non sanctioned tools within W3C work is an issue
19:26:49 <CharlesHall> sorry, i have to drop :(
19:27:01 <Chuck> Janina:  Issue is that there may not be much support difference with what Zoom provides.
19:27:02 <sajkaj> sj: suggests similar to Zoom
19:27:19 <sajkaj> pk: except that captioning is builtin; whereas on Zoom it's an add
19:27:30 <Rachael> Q+
19:27:34 <uxjennifer> Peter is correct. Zoom uses Otter.ai as the add-in to support captions & transcript
19:27:43 <sajkaj> js: That could be a big advantage with hearing disabilities people
19:28:02 <uxjennifer> Q+
19:28:08 <sajkaj> rm: Seeing better captioning and better screen reader integration in Teams
19:28:18 <KimD> q+ Teams
19:28:30 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
19:28:30 <Rachael> Q-
19:28:33 <Lauriat> ack uxjennifer
19:29:13 <sajkaj> jennifer: Teams would be everything in one place; but con is everything on one platform
19:30:17 <sajkaj> Jennifer: Would be willing to ask about Ms possibly donating for W3C use
19:30:24 <Jan> captioning abilities for zoom: https://www.washington.edu/accessibility/videos/zoom/
19:30:39 <sajkaj> js: Suggests not just yet, but phps
19:31:33 <Lauriat> q?
19:31:34 <sajkaj> js: We should simply check whether or not there's already conversation about Teams
19:31:38 <Lauriat> ack Teams
19:32:17 <sajkaj> kd: Likes much of the a11y support in Teams even though not usually an Ms fan
19:32:36 <sajkaj> js: Let's get back to the when focus ...
19:32:59 <sajkaj> js: There's also still the proposal to more times of shorter duration
19:33:42 <Chuck> janina:  Issue with shorter meetings is setup and followup time that isn't helped by having a shorter meeting, and issues with meaty topics.
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19:33:55 <Chuck> janina:  And we didn't resolve the large topic.
19:33:57 <KimD> +1 - shorter meetings may be less effective
19:34:05 <shari> i agree with janina
19:34:28 <sajkaj> sj: Notes setup and post actions aren't helped by more frequent shorter mtgs; and often we need time for discussion
19:34:33 <KimD> q+
19:34:37 <AngelaAccessForAll> present+
19:35:24 <sajkaj> dk: Rotating would not work for me; Keep Tuesday is best for me
19:35:42 <Lauriat> ack KimD
19:35:46 <sajkaj> dk: Really don't want to make it harder for Makoto
19:35:59 <SuzanneTaylor> q+
19:36:06 <sajkaj> dk: Maybe a different day with the same Friday time might get more Euro participation
19:36:19 <Lauriat> ack SuzanneTaylor
19:36:43 <sajkaj> Susanne: +1 to same time as Friday and keeping Tuesday
19:37:40 <Chuck> janina:  There's merrit to keeping tuesday and moving friday to another day, so that not eating into weekend.
19:38:31 <Chuck> janina:  The only real choices are Thursday and Monday's, given that other days run into other calls.
19:38:31 <Jemma> just let you know that there are w3c ARIA and ARIA AT meetings on Thursdays.
19:38:55 <Jemma> mainly Thursday afternoon.
19:39:11 <PeterKorn> q+
19:39:32 <KimD> +1 to Thursday at roughly this time (could be later too for me)
19:39:37 <Chuck> ack Pet
19:39:38 <sajkaj> pk: More likely to have more conflict midday than at early 8AM Pacific
19:40:39 <PeterKorn> This time on another day is more likely to have periodic conflicts for me.
19:40:52 <PeterKorn> 8am PT / 11am ET or 9am PT / noon ET would be the best choice for me generally.
19:41:42 <sajkaj> js: Looking at moving this meeting earlier; believe we have enough for a poll
19:42:09 <Jan> But - is the AGWG time out of bounds for Japan?
19:42:14 <sajkaj> js: Please look for a link to the poll!
19:42:24 <PeterKorn> I need to drop now.
19:42:42 <PeterKorn> Thanks.  Also Happy New Year.
19:42:44 <uxjennifer> Q+
19:42:59 <Lauriat> ack uxjennifer
19:43:21 <Chuck> not a lot from multiple people, but a huge amount from one person
19:43:27 <sajkaj> Jennifer: Asks about our level of Asian participation? If not, would a friendlier time garner more participation?
19:45:17 <sajkaj> js: It's always been an issue; mostly in support of Australia; but never a lot of additional participation
19:45:31 <sajkaj> js: Makoto participates, even though it's 11:30PM for him
19:45:48 <sajkaj> jennifer: wonders whether we tried for long enough?
19:45:52 <sajkaj> js: for about a year
19:45:56 <sajkaj> jennifer: OK
19:46:31 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
19:46:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- update on publishing -- taken up [from jeanne]
19:46:45 <jeanne> zakim, close item 1
19:46:45 <Zakim> agendum 1, update on publishing, closed
19:46:46 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
19:46:46 <Zakim> 3. Subgroup checkins [from jeanne]
19:47:09 <SuzanneTaylor> q+
19:47:54 <Chuck> janina: Conformance group has added in scope out of scope and timeline data to the top of the wiki.  That's captured in an email to the silver list and AGWG.
19:48:14 <Chuck> janina:  I added a parenthetical to our scope statement.
19:48:33 <Lauriat> ack SuzanneTaylor
19:48:36 <SuzanneTaylor> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XlT8IWlD9crki24ILyzbmQUjxZzl0Cv5jGa8m5gmQRo/edit?usp=sharing
19:48:49 <sajkaj> susanne: Also did Errors; but currently in Google Doc
19:49:05 <sajkaj> susanne: Expect something ready for hearbeat wd
19:50:13 <sajkaj> js: Notes fpwd has more items covered, ie intellectual property, etc
19:50:24 <sajkaj> js: updated working drafts are not the same level of attention
19:50:32 <sajkaj> js: but always announced
19:50:44 <sajkaj> js: Just not as many blogs and commentaries, etc
19:51:47 <sajkaj> zakim, bye
19:51:47 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jeanne, sajkaj, Francis_Storr, Chuck, mgarrish, Lauriat, SuzanneT, Jemma, CharlesHall, PeterKorn, sarahhorton, SuzanneTaylor,
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