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15:58:22 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ben
15:58:32 <ben> Meeting: Rights Automation Community Group
15:58:49 <ben> chair: Ben W
15:59:26 <ben> meeting: Rights Automation Community Group
15:59:38 <ben> chair: Ben W
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16:02:59 <ben> present: Ben W, Belen BP, Mark B, Michelle R, Emily M, Laura P, Caspar MR, Atiq K, Adam H, Nigel P, Ali M, Josh C, Jeremy B, Fred S
16:03:22 <ben> present+ Marko K
16:04:10 <ben> present+ Samantha G
16:04:25 <ben> topic: admin
16:05:26 <ben> RESOLUTION: Accept last minutes of the last meeting
16:07:53 <ben> scribe: Josh C
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16:11:30 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: posted link of actions and purposes of things this group is trying to achieve.
16:12:07 <joshuaCornejo> ... seems there are a number of actions allowed by market data, by combining some properties we can be quite expressive by what is allowed or not
16:12:31 <joshuaCornejo> ... to start with a set of vocabulary terms, some examples of combinations and finally how some marked data licences can be translated
16:12:44 <joshuaCornejo> ... expecting some feedback into the correct mapping.
16:13:49 <joshuaCornejo> ... there is a list of the possible actions <Ben describes what is on the page>
16:16:43 <joshuaCornejo> Mark: what we want from the group is that the actions listed are the full set or to build further with the group
16:17:00 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: my aim is to describe the whole page and then describe the items themselves
16:18:55 <joshuaCornejo> ... <Ben continues describing the details of the page>
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16:21:49 <joshuaCornejo> ... <Ben moves to the license description part of the page>
16:23:57 <joshuaCornejo> Nigel: <describes his understanding of a Reference Price Based System and how it matches Ben's interpretation as a potential Platform Trading>
16:24:51 <joshuaCornejo> ... will take some of this to a compliance team to see if there are any bizarre or obscure terms missing
16:25:32 <joshuaCornejo> Laura: for now this probably works, probably go away and internally see our internal trading and compliance agree
16:26:03 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: that is fantastic, I will also take it to the Exchange to see if we are capturing the intent accurately
16:26:20 <joshuaCornejo> Emily: is platform trading meant to be agnostic if trading is on or off the exchange
16:26:29 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: maybe, it is not clear to me so far from the licenses
16:27:34 <joshuaCornejo> ... <Ben moves to the NYSE contract example>
16:30:30 <joshuaCornejo> Laura: will check the details of NDU (from the page) for NYSE internally.
16:31:26 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: <describes the possible combinations attributes that could be used in the MD language to cover the licenses>
16:33:15 <joshuaCornejo> Jeremy: a big part of our business is the retail brockerage, we have a lot of components and we see a new purpose more specific to research and we have display and NDU for research, and we might want to include other elements for non-display.
16:33:39 <joshuaCornejo> ... so it is something to consider, research, separate from trading.
16:33:49 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: are the underlying assets different?
16:34:15 <joshuaCornejo> Jeremy: is a different use of the same data (asset).
16:34:32 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: moving to CME (from the page)
16:34:53 <joshuaCornejo> ... there is another pattern worth picking out
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16:36:18 <joshuaCornejo> ... should we be repeating this as a pattern, the automatic trading and the 'signal analysis' as separated permissions
16:36:58 <joshuaCornejo> Nigel: they have separate licenses, trading with them vs a third party/separate entity
16:37:29 <joshuaCornejo> <Ben & Nigel discuss the some specifics of the CME license example>
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16:41:32 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: there is a distinction between a derivation and a derived product
16:43:44 <joshuaCornejo> <Ben describes the CME 'Derived Data' license>
16:44:35 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: does this feel like we are going going in the right direction or does it mean we will have to add a lot of new terms?
16:44:44 <joshuaCornejo> ... is there something significant missing?
16:45:47 <joshuaCornejo> Nigel: I have a question about CME: here you got 2 clauses separated by an OR
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16:47:10 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: my interpretation is that you get 2 permissions
16:48:48 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: I appreciate feedback, iterate around the things that we've said today and discuss such iteration in the next meeting
16:49:18 <joshuaCornejo> ... move to the next item on the agenda
16:49:25 <joshuaCornejo> ... related to the PoC
16:49:58 <joshuaCornejo> Caspar: We think for the PoC, current vocabulary is fine
16:50:59 <joshuaCornejo> Mark: as soon as you can, if you can provide some ODRL output we can try to represent it dynamically on the DataBP side.
16:51:16 <joshuaCornejo> Ilya: we seem to have a feature complete of our PoC
16:52:07 <joshuaCornejo> ... we are passing a policy around provided by DACS and have a simple way to grow beyond from where we are today. We've completed a few of those targets and ready for a presentation when the group is available.
16:52:17 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: can we do a demo in a fortnight ?
16:52:23 <joshuaCornejo> Ilya: sure
16:52:39 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: AOB?
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16:59:22 <ben> rrsagent, pointer
16:59:22 <RRSAgent> See https://www.w3.org/2021/01/06-md-odrl-profile-irc#T16-59-22
16:59:31 <ben> rrsagent, make minutes
16:59:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/06-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html ben
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17:20:24 <ben> rrsagent, bye
17:20:24 <RRSAgent> I see no action items