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16:56:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:56:24 <trackbot> Date: 06 January 2021
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16:56:38 <becky> zakim, agenda?
16:56:39 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
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16:57:19 <becky> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
16:57:19 <becky> agenda+ APA Rechartering -https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html
16:57:19 <becky> agenda+ Task Force Updates
16:57:19 <becky> agenda+ FAST Progress Josh
16:57:20 <becky> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22%22
16:57:20 <becky> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:57:21 <becky> agenda+ CSS Checkin (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
16:57:21 <becky> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
16:57:21 <becky> agenda+ Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
16:57:21 <becky> agenda+ Other Business
16:57:23 <becky> agenda+ be done
16:57:32 <becky> chair: becky
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17:01:21 <JF> Present+
17:01:23 <IrfanA> present+
17:01:30 <NeilS> present+
17:02:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
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17:02:27 <paul_grenier> present+
17:02:34 <tink> present+ Léonie (tink)
17:03:07 <Matthew_Atkinson> scribe: Matthew_Atkinson
17:03:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:03:13 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from becky]
17:03:14 <joconnor> present+
17:03:30 <amy_c> present+
17:03:49 <becky> present+
17:04:15 <JPaton> present+
17:04:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky: Happy new year, all. Welcome to our new member Emanuela.
17:04:49 <Ela> present+
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17:12:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:12:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- APA Rechartering -https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html -- taken up [from becky]
17:12:59 <becky> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html
17:15:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky: Looking for comments soon (need to have a final draft this month). Particularly the Scope and Out of scope sections.
17:16:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> JF: Concerned about the out-of-scope "technologies that do not interact with web content"—is XR web content?
17:16:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> Léonie: WebXR is web content.
17:16:38 <becky> q?
17:16:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: Could say that when a UA is involved it's considered web content (or the port on which it's transmitted).
17:17:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> JF: Should we state that our remit doesn't extend to hardware or applications?
17:17:44 <Matthew_Atkinson> Léonie: for the XR aspect, should we scope it explicitly to WebXR?
17:18:53 <paul_grenier> q+
17:19:05 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: RQTF sometimes explores areas a bit more widely than strictly web-only (recent example: media synchronization, captions).
17:19:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: (this sometimes helps feed back in to the web work)
17:19:49 <becky> ack paul
17:20:36 <Matthew_Atkinson> Paul: XR/AR could be used in games, that may be on console (not web) or the web. Why would some of these experiences be considered, but not others?
17:21:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> Neil: Does this depend on APIs being used?
17:22:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky: Should we scope it to W3C/web specifcations, as Léonie mentioned? Does anyone want to have a go at a revised description (offline)? Is it sufficient as-is?
17:22:11 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina/Becky: let's develop any counterproposals on-list/GitHub.
17:22:38 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky: if you have suggestions, please send to the list for discussion next time.
17:23:08 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky: Are the bullets in those sections OK? (For big issues, we can discuss here; for editorial, we can use the list)
17:23:14 <becky> q?
17:23:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:23:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from becky]
17:24:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> Paul: Pronunciation: we're focusing on chartering currently too. We are also creating approachable demos/artefacts to explain what we're working on to the general public.
17:24:44 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky: Personalization: Also working on the charter; action items so that we can go to CR with our first module, on content.
17:25:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky: Working on implementors and getting prepared to ask WHATWG for a prefix.
17:26:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: RQTF: Continuing to work through WebRTC Accessibility User Requirements document—some new use cases have come to light and we are having fruitful discussion. Working on a Working Draft before trying to finalize it.
17:26:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: also considering what RQTF would like to add to the APA charter.
17:27:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky: APA met with Web of Things at TPAC and we're both keen to meet. This will likely be of most interest to RQTF. There will be a meeting in the RQTF slot on the 27th of January. Check for list traffic.
17:27:54 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:27:54 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST Progress Josh -- taken up [from becky]
17:28:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: Work will be resuming shortly. The main document of user needs and the checklist are the current focuses, as well as integration with Silver.
17:28:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:28:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, Matthew_Atkinson
17:28:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, close this item
17:28:56 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
17:28:57 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:28:57 <Zakim> 5. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22%22 [from becky]
17:28:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:28:58 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22%22 -- taken up [from becky]
17:29:30 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, close this item
17:29:30 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
17:29:31 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:29:32 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:29:32 <Zakim> 6. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from becky]
17:29:32 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from becky]
17:30:08 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-backgrounds-3/ CSS Backgrounds and Borders Module Level 3
17:31:28 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: this is a CR snapshot.
17:32:04 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: there may be need for cross-reference with Silver with respect to color contrast beyond text.
17:32:29 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: We asked for something like this in the Color module.
17:32:54 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: heads up that the spec will have mathematical formulae in it that will enable a tool to help check for more contrast issues.
17:33:08 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: will defer this for now until we have the extra info.
17:33:31 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-box-3/ CSS Box Model Module Level 3
17:33:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: this is a CR snapshot too.
17:34:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> Amy: *to review*
17:34:33 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-2020/ CSS Snapshot 2020
17:34:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: this is a Working Group note. Do we want to review it?
17:35:01 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: *suggests probably not*
17:35:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky/Janina/Amy: no need to review
17:35:32 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-3/ Data Catalog Vocabulary (DCAT) - Version 3
17:36:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: This is FPWD.
17:36:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael/Becky: Don't need to review (low-level)?
17:36:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> Paul: If this is about metadata, we would need to ensure that e.g. alt text is transmitted with metadata for an image.
17:37:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> Paul: *will review*
17:38:06 <MichaelC> action: Paul to review Editing Data Catalog Vocabulary (DCAT) - Version 3
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17:38:19 <MichaelC> action: grenier to review Editing Data Catalog Vocabulary (DCAT) - Version 3
17:38:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2277 - Review editing data catalog vocabulary (dcat) - version 3 [on Paul Grenier - due 2021-01-13].
17:38:59 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/screen-fold/ The Screen Fold API
17:39:04 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: This is FPWD too.
17:40:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky/Janina: is there anything about what to _do_ with the info?
17:41:04 <Matthew_Atkinson> Paul: there was a sentance in parens about locking (though this relates to the screen orientation API)
17:41:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: Perhaps changing the SHOULD there (in Posture values table) to something else. (First glance only.)
17:42:28 <Matthew_Atkinson> Paul: Can't allow one posture to be locked in.
17:42:37 <MichaelC> action: grenier to review The Screen Fold API
17:42:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2278 - Review the screen fold api [on Paul Grenier - due 2021-01-13].
17:43:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: *suggests posting to the list so we can make a WG comment*
17:44:15 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Authentication:_An_API_for_accessing_Public_Key_Credentials_Level_2 Web Authentication: An API for accessing Public Key Credentials Level 2
17:44:20 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: This was re-published as CR snapshot.
17:45:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: John Rockford [sp?] offered help with what's changed *will follow up*
17:45:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:45:43 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- CSS Checkin (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from becky]
17:46:07 <amy_c> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-adjust-1/
17:47:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> Amy: This is fine. A lot of mention is made of the fact that good contrast is not necessarily guaranteed and that it's important.
17:47:06 <MichaelC> action-2277: https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-3/
17:47:06 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2277 Review editing data catalog vocabulary (dcat) - version 3.
17:47:11 <MichaelC> action-2277: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary_(DCAT)_-_Version_3
17:47:11 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2277 Review editing data catalog vocabulary (dcat) - version 3.
17:47:23 <MichaelC> action-2278: https://www.w3.org/TR/screen-fold/
17:47:23 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2278 Review the screen fold api.
17:47:29 <MichaelC> action-2278: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/The_Screen_Fold_API
17:47:29 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2278 Review the screen fold api.
17:47:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> Amy: (could potentially include an accessibility section in future)
17:48:20 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: may be worth adding a note about upcoming tools to help people find/address contrast issues.
17:49:04 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/20
17:49:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> Amy: This issue is from 2018; looking for help tracking the conversation at the time.
17:50:15 <Matthew_Atkinson> Amy: alt was added and then apparently deprecated as a property (though implemented in Safari)
17:50:52 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/21
17:51:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> Amy: this issue is related to the preivous one.
17:51:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> Amy: Do we need to keep these, or are they being discussed, or dropped?
17:52:37 <paul_grenier> (blog I mentioned https://adrianroselli.com/2020/10/alternative-text-for-css-generated-content.html)
17:52:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: ARIA has come up in a few issues across TFs today; shall we collect our thoughts and submit them for consideration for ARIA 1.3? Joint meeting?
17:53:35 <amy_c> blog from Bruce Lawson I mentioned https://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2014/notes-on-draft-css-alt-property/
17:54:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: (Likely ARIA 1.4.) Some of this perhaps fits the Accessibility Object Model and may help prgoress things there.
17:54:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: seems we have an interesting set of use cases (e.g. from WebRTC).
17:55:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina/Becky/Michael: we should start a [wiki?] page to collect the info; contact ARIA.
17:55:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:55:55 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from becky]
17:56:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, close this item
17:56:17 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
17:56:18 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:56:18 <Zakim> 9. Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from becky]
17:56:18 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:56:19 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from becky]
17:57:35 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/6218 - needs more discussion later.
17:57:42 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, close this item
17:57:42 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
17:57:43 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:57:43 <Zakim> 10. Other Business [from becky]
17:57:44 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:57:44 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Other Business -- taken up [from becky]
17:58:01 <Matthew_Atkinson> Becky: May need another community groups review at some point soon.
17:58:05 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, close this item
17:58:05 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
17:58:06 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:58:06 <Zakim> 11. be done [from becky]
17:58:07 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
17:58:08 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- be done -- taken up [from becky]
17:58:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:58:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/06-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
17:59:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> Minutes done (using the new template). Will post to list shortly; cheereo all :-).
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