14:14:36 RRSAgent has joined #silver 14:14:36 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/01/05-silver-irc 14:14:39 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:14:39 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jeanne 14:15:00 Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group 14:15:00 present: 14:15:00 chair: Shawn, jeanne 14:15:00 present+ 14:15:01 zakim, clear agenda 14:15:01 rrsagent, make minutes 14:15:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/05-silver-minutes.html jeanne 14:15:01 q? 14:15:01 agenda cleared 14:17:54 agenda+ Working effectively together in 2021 14:17:54 agenda+ Reminder that we are meeting Fridays in January, but will 14:17:54 discuss schedule on Friday 8 January meeting 14:17:54 agenda+ Status of publication of First Public Working Draft 14:17:54 agenda+ Status of Decision Policy 14:17:54 agenda+ What do we want to see in the next "heartbeat" publication 14:17:54 (probably) in March? 14:17:56 agenda+ Subgroups: What do you want to accomplish this month? Any new 14:17:56 outcomes or methods that the group is working on? 14:19:23 s/(probably) in March?// 14:19:41 s/outcomes or methods that the group is working on?// 14:19:55 rrsagent, make minutes 14:19:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/05-silver-minutes.html jeanne 14:21:27 Shri has joined #SILVER 14:28:38 ToddLibby has joined #silver 14:28:40 ChrisLoiselle has joined #silver 14:29:15 JustineP has joined #silver 14:29:19 Lauriat has joined #silver 14:29:29 Makoto has joined #silver 14:29:41 agenda? 14:29:46 present+ 14:29:46 Present+ 14:29:51 SuzanneTaylor has joined #silver 14:29:51 present+ 14:29:55 present+ 14:30:04 present+ 14:30:22 Chuck has joined #silver 14:30:25 Wilco has joined #silver 14:30:41 JF has joined #silver 14:30:45 present+ 14:31:09 present+ 14:31:19 Present+ 14:31:38 scribe:ChrisLoiselle 14:31:59 JakeAbma has joined #silver 14:32:05 present+ 14:32:09 Present+ 14:32:11 zakim, take up item 1 14:32:11 agendum 1 -- Working effectively together in 2021 -- taken up [from jeanne] 14:32:45 Francis_Storr has joined #silver 14:32:51 present+ 14:33:37 https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/ 14:33:46 Chuck: Speaks to scope statements, how to work together. and reach out to chairs if you questions or concerns. 14:34:42 zakim, take up item 2 14:34:42 agendum 2 -- Reminder that we are meeting Fridays in January, but will -- taken up [from jeanne] 14:35:06 Sheri-B-h has joined #silver 14:35:46 Jeanne: Speaks to AGWG and work with them. Will be speaking more on that on Friday's meeting for Silver. 14:35:50 zakim, take up item 3 14:35:50 agendum 3 -- Status of publication of First Public Working Draft -- taken up [from jeanne] 14:36:35 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2020-12-editorsnote/ 14:36:42 sarahhorton has joined #silver 14:37:02 present+ 14:37:06 Rachael: We are moving forward with publication of first public working draft. We are reviewing the editor's notes and sections and will be speaking to these at 11am ET 14:37:33 We will be speaking on this on the AGWG call at 11am ET. People are welcome to attend. 14:38:25 present+ 14:38:35 W3C strives to be as inclusive as possible, and has actively sought participation and input from a broad range of stakeholder groups. We recognize, however, that there is always room for improvement in practices to support inclusion and representation. As you evaluate this document, please consider whether there are ways the Working Group can better support your review, feedback, or inclusion within the process of creating this standard. We 14:38:35 welcome feedback on this question as part of your comments. 14:38:36 Fazio has joined #silver 14:38:36 Editors notes were around including people with disabilities in the process of developing standards. Editor's notes would be to actively to invite them to participate. 14:38:42 bruce_bailey has joined #silver 14:38:47 Present+ 14:38:59 present+ 14:39:09 KimD has joined #silver 14:39:17 present+ 14:39:30 Second editor's note was around recognition of contributions. 14:39:41 Jan has joined #silver 14:40:14 This section will document key contributors. The method of identifying these individuals is in process and a list will be included in the next draft. This list will be updated for each subsequent draft. 14:40:16 Proposal for notable contributors will be reviewed and discussed. Self nomination or nomination in general are topics to pursue around this editor's note. 14:41:20 Jeanne: These are editor's notes , not part of final document. For survey purposes, please keep this in mind. 14:42:22 Janina: Survey is open, then closes. Are we are publishing around end of month? 14:42:49 q+ 14:42:51 Rachael: No need for another CfC. When we have a publication date, we will let people know. 14:43:12 MichaelC: Date is to be determined. 14:43:34 ack Chuck 14:44:30 Chuck: Acceptance of group needs to be pursued before dates can be set. 14:44:40 zakim, take up next 14:44:40 agendum 1 -- Working effectively together in 2021 -- taken up [from jeanne] 14:44:58 zakim, close item 1 14:44:58 agendum 1, Working effectively together in 2021, closed 14:44:59 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:44:59 2. Reminder that we are meeting Fridays in January, but will [from jeanne] 14:45:18 agenda? 14:45:40 zakim, close item 2 14:45:40 agendum 2, Reminder that we are meeting Fridays in January, but will, closed 14:45:42 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:45:42 4. Status of Decision Policy [from jeanne] 14:45:53 Jeanne: Speaks to status of decision policy. Opens to Chuck or Michael C. 14:45:56 zakim, take up next 14:45:56 agendum 4 -- Status of Decision Policy -- taken up [from jeanne] 14:46:00 q+ 14:46:07 q- 14:46:57 q+ 14:47:01 MichaelC: Decision policy will be reviewed further to approve. Working group needs to approve it, task force has approved it. Working on the summary. 14:47:19 q+ 14:48:01 ack rach 14:48:15 Rachael: When do we think we'd be able to review this for AGWG? 14:48:28 MichaelC: I believe next week's agenda. 14:48:36 Jeanne: We can pull it out from resolutions. 14:48:38 ack wilco 14:49:09 Wilco: Do you think we should have a Call for Consensus (CfC)? 14:49:46 -1 14:49:47 +1 14:49:50 +1 14:49:52 -1 14:49:54 -1 14:49:59 -1 14:50:00 Fazio has joined #silver 14:50:02 -1 14:50:02 Jeanne: We did, and we are closing out objections. What does the group think? Plus 1 if you want to see a new CfC for decision policy. 14:50:07 -1 14:50:10 -1 14:50:24 -1 14:50:46 +1 to M Cooper's point - do it once, with everyone 14:50:49 +1 to Michael's 14:50:49 q+ to ask about "ratification" 14:50:51 MichaelC: I think a combined CfC would be appropriate if we do it, so there is one CfC vs. task force and AGWG . 14:51:36 Chuck: Can you define ratification? 14:52:40 kirkwood has joined #silver 14:52:47 MichaelC: We do want the task force and the AGWG to support the decision policy. We want to make sure we have backup for decisions. If we are doing it at the AGWG level, we wouldn't want to exclude the task force. 14:53:20 +1 to Rachael 14:53:45 MichaelC: It would be a more open CfC than usual, including the community group. 14:53:49 ack Chuck 14:53:49 Chuck, you wanted to ask about "ratification" 14:54:22 JF: Can we clarify what we decided on? 14:55:15 Q+ 14:55:35 Jeanne: Is this a AGWG issue vs. something a task force would vote on? 14:55:43 ack me 14:56:26 present+ 14:56:55 present+ 14:57:02 Plus one if you agree: Perform a single CFC for approval from AGWG, CG, and TF on the decision policy 14:57:09 +1 14:57:10 +1 14:57:11 +1 14:57:12 +1 14:57:13 +1 14:57:13 +1 14:57:13 +1 14:57:13 +1 14:57:14 +1 14:57:16 +1 14:57:18 +1 14:57:21 +1 14:57:21 +1 14:57:24 Jeanne: Straw poll. Jeanne types in straw poll text. 14:57:26 +1 if we need it procedurally 14:57:30 +1 14:58:12 RESOLUTION: Perform a single CFC for approval from AGWG, CG, and TF on the decision policy 14:58:23 zakim, take up next 14:58:23 agendum 5 -- What do we want to see in the next "heartbeat" publication -- taken up [from jeanne] 14:59:07 q+ to suggest we need to say something about 3rd party content 14:59:33 Mention of a maturity model integration :) 14:59:33 Jeanne: What do we want to see in our heartbeat publication? 14:59:37 acj sajkaj 14:59:43 ack sajkaj 14:59:43 sajkaj, you wanted to suggest we need to say something about 3rd party content 14:59:54 q+ 15:00:41 Janina: We would need to review how to include third party content . I.e. questions around machine learning. It is a challenge on the challenge document. 15:01:09 ack Wilco 15:01:17 Cara has joined #silver 15:01:22 Jeanne: Accessibility Supported as a topic is also a subject to review. 15:01:32 A HUGE +1 to Wilco 15:01:47 Wilco: Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) for WCAG and how that can be applied to Silver WCAG 3 15:02:13 Wilco: Content on silver and gold conformance and pursue additional information and research on that topic. 15:02:33 integrating ACT work 15:02:40 Content on "silver" and "gold" conformance 15:02:48 +1 to both 15:03:13 q+ 15:03:13 q+ 15:03:23 ack Chuck 15:04:12 +1 Chuck 15:04:12 Chuck: Question on how ACT can help testing around understandability and other non binary types of evaluation, I would love to see that. 15:04:20 Wilco: Totally agree. 15:04:20 +1 15:04:22 ack Rachael 15:04:39 Rachael: Contributors work populated 15:04:52 +1 to Rachael 15:05:39 Jeanne: + to maturity model as well. 15:07:06 q+ 15:07:09 JoshO: Definitions and emerging technologies. I.e. what is a web page, what is web content? How does this impact emerging tech? Definitions on content types. 15:07:16 q+ 15:07:51 +1, and I think we can do that more easily by demonstrating how guidance can apply to things like rich web applications and not just flat pages. 15:08:19 Fazio has joined #silver 15:08:20 ack she 15:08:20 ack Sheri-B-h 15:08:48 q+ to say color contrast aims to be generlized to images 15:09:03 SheriB: I wanted to plus one on , on the topic in general, i.e. audio tracks, state you need to have captions.... 15:09:04 It’s part of our agnostic approach 15:09:06 ack Chuck 15:09:49 Chuck: Scoping of topics would need to be reviewed to pursue what can be resolved in next couple of months. 15:10:07 ack bruce_bailey 15:10:07 bruce_bailey, you wanted to say color contrast aims to be generlized to images 15:10:27 BruceB: The metric for text contrast can be adapted to borders, line drawings, etc. 15:11:20 q+ 15:11:24 +1 to Bruce. We've been talking on this on most recent calls. 15:11:28 +1 to Jeanne, I think thats doable also 15:11:33 ack sar 15:11:33 ack sarahhorton 15:11:42 Jeanne: Caption and XR work could be reviewed as well. 15:12:43 SarahH: Related to errors sub group - we could review functional needs list and talk to this and sharing more formally perhaps? 15:13:15 MichaelC: The functional needs list should have a strong tie in between silver and the list. 15:13:55 SarahH: It is very helpful in work and users impacted. I.e. it starts with users and here is what we have referenced. 15:14:19 MichaelC: Credit to CharlesH and his work on that document. 15:14:40 Jeanne: It has been quoted very often in many groups. 15:14:48 present+ 15:15:28 Jeanne: I will take this list and review it. 15:15:33 zakim, take up next 15:15:33 agendum 6 -- Subgroups: What do you want to accomplish this month? Any new -- taken up [from jeanne] 15:15:38 Chuck: I sent you the list Jeanne. 15:16:39 zakim, take up next 15:16:39 I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, jeanne 15:18:06 Janina: We have reviewed candidate edits and questions. We would then review principles around conformance. 15:18:18 Jeanne: How about use cases and talking toward that? 15:18:41 Janina: I think we could talk through that via email and applying use cases , principle by principle . 15:19:03 q+ 15:19:09 ack sarahhorton 15:19:18 ack sarah 15:19:37 q+ to talk about alt text sub group 15:19:44 Q+ 15:19:53 SarahH: Errors group is working on scope statement . We are also working on user needs summary, a list of user needs broken down by common needs and unique needs. 15:19:59 ack mak 15:19:59 Makoto, you wanted to talk about alt text sub group 15:20:20 Makoto: We would like to accomplish rest of methods on HTML images . 15:21:29 Makoto: Hopefully next month we would review if we covered all techniques , we would then work on any items we may have missed. 15:21:47 ack faz 15:22:18 q+ 15:22:22 DavidF: Scope statement approved by group, which is currently in draft. 15:22:30 Andy has joined #silver 15:22:38 present+ 15:22:54 DavidF: We also want to set expectations for 3 month goal as well. 15:23:05 ack Jan 15:23:45 Jan: We also have a draft scope statement. We'd like to finalize that. Then we are looking at active voice and present tense. Also reviewing COGA task force information. 15:24:23 visual contrast? 15:25:41 Andy: We've been working on constant used on equation we are using on tool, especially on dark color pairs. 15:25:57 We've also been editing https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Visual_Contrast_of_Text_Subgroup . Specifically scope. 15:26:15 Chris: That's it. 15:27:01 Andy: Currently in beta, the tool will indicate non text contrast as well. 15:28:13 MichaelC: For functional needs, we will review further next week and report back with updates. 15:29:02 Francis: Conformance testing, we can speak to what availability we have this month. 15:29:28 Visual Contrast Work in Project LIVE wiki is: 15:29:30 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Visual_Contrast_of_Text_Subgroup 15:29:48 Jeanne: Scope should be bulleted and what we want to cover and when we want to cover it by. 15:29:51 Welcome back! 15:29:56 rrsagent, make minutes 15:29:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/05-silver-minutes.html ChrisLoiselle 15:30:20 ToddLibby has left #silver 15:30:29 Sayonara! 15:41:18 JF has left #silver 16:10:57 mbgower has joined #silver 16:13:09 regrets+ Charles_Hall 16:13:16 rrsagent, make minutes 16:13:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/05-silver-minutes.html jeanne 16:19:03 SuzanneTaylor has joined #silver 17:45:21 Zakim has left #silver 19:41:17 kirkwood has joined #silver 21:03:32 kirkwood has joined #silver 22:58:16 kirkwood has joined #silver 23:56:10 kirkwood has joined #silver