14:01:04 RRSAgent has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:01:04 logging to https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-MiniApp-Standardization-irc 14:01:08 martin__ has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:01:08 knollr has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:01:12 Zakim has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:01:13 mknowles has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:01:28 zakim, start meeting 14:01:28 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:01:29 Meeting: MiniApp Standardization in W3C 14:01:31 Yuta_Sekiguchi has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:01:48 present+ 14:01:53 present+ martin_alvarez 14:02:44 igarashi has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:02:49 present+ 14:02:59 present+ 14:03:03 angel: welcome everyone to join miniapp breakout session 14:03:04 Rob has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:03:25 present+ 14:03:40 present+ 14:03:50 [lost Angle] 14:04:44 https://w3c.github.io/miniapp/charters/wg-2020.html 14:04:47 ... miniapp cg work on charter 14:05:01 ... we try to create WG of miniapp 14:05:36 atai has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:05:36 ... anqing will talk about miniapp lifecycle 14:07:01 ... lifecycle doc including lifecycle events 14:07:24 PJ has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:07:42 ... at first we talked with WICG and we found there are some gaps in miniapp and web 14:08:09 ... so we try enhance the lifecycle 14:08:35 present+ 14:08:35 ... we work out a doc called miniapp lifecycle 14:08:42 rrsagent, make log public 14:08:45 rrsagent, make minutes v2 14:08:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-MiniApp-Standardization-minutes.html xfq 14:08:56 present+ 14:09:09 https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/34 14:09:10 zhoudan: I am from baidu 14:09:34 ... we seek the URI of miniapp address in W3C 14:10:35 ... we agree use http link to contain some features 14:10:51 flow chart: https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/34#issuecomment-636041924 14:11:13 zhenjie has joined #miniapp-standardization 14:11:28 ... we except that instead of a centralized service. 14:11:34 ... welcome feedback 14:11:55 yongjing: short introduction manifest and package 14:12:13 ... manifest define the miniapp matadata 14:12:27 ... like version control, name etc 14:13:17 ... after discussion with webapp manifest, we make a desicion to draft spec as extension of web app manifest 14:13:24 s/matadata/metadata/ 14:13:33 ... we welcome feedback 14:13:53 ... package try to format miniapp 14:14:11 ... scribe, layouts, config 14:14:31 ... those should pack together 14:14:53 ... signature for security 14:15:06 ... a11y still in consideration 14:16:14 angel: miniapp WG charter will go into review in early Nov 14:17:13 fuqiao: Q&A section interpretation function enabled in zoom 14:17:32 q? 14:17:38 q+ 14:17:42 tomayac has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:17:42 ... any question? 14:17:47 ack r 14:17:56 Rob: from Microsoft 14:18:47 ... how miniapp related with existing web standard, such as package, there are several standard in W3C 14:19:25 https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/blob/gh-pages/specs/manifest/docs/explainer.md#a-miniapp-manifest-comparison-with-web-app-manifest 14:19:31 https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/75 14:19:38 wanming has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:19:51 yongjing: we have related discussion with them who work on package, we did gaps 14:20:00 s|https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/blob/gh-pages/specs/manifest/docs/explainer.md#a-miniapp-manifest-comparison-with-web-app-manifest|| 14:20:04 There is an FAQ around the standardization efforts: https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/109 14:20:40 s/did gaps/did gap analysis/ 14:20:54 scribe+ 14:21:12 yongjing: wpack assumes http exchanges 14:21:22 ... MiniApps has local resources 14:21:38 ... there could be online exchanges when a MiniApp is running 14:21:45 scribe: Roy 14:22:25 yongjing: we also did analysis for widget, we can not simply to reuse them 14:22:39 ... I can explain very quick 14:22:54 present+ tomayac 14:23:03 present+ Qing_An 14:23:10 present+ angel 14:23:23 present+ Dan_Zhou 14:23:31 present+ zhenjie 14:23:53 present+ Tengyuan_Zhang 14:24:04 ... For example, they're using XML based signature technology. that may not be suitable for the modern solution. then maybe the technologies can be a kind of combined or reuse by miniapp 14:24:07 present+ Hiroshi_Ota 14:24:11 present+ Yongjing_Zhang 14:24:25 ... we would like to see possible coordination 14:25:05 present+ Zitao_Wang 14:25:14 present+ xueyuan 14:25:21 present+ Yajun_Zhang 14:25:31 Rob: I would just ask that we continue to keep that @@ option open because 14:25:35 present+ Wanming 14:25:45 ... we could Have a single little packaging mechanism than two or three different. 14:25:58 s/that @@/the WPACK/ 14:26:04 rrsagent, make minutes v2 14:26:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-MiniApp-Standardization-minutes.html xfq 14:26:26 yongjing: we can keep look for possibilities 14:26:34 q? 14:27:34 Angel: fuqiao, could you share more backgrounds of miniapp? 14:28:22 ... this is a good opportunity to show our work to rest of WG and people 14:29:03 fuqiao: Chinese IG start to look into miniapp last year, and developed miniapp white paper 14:29:56 ... and miniapp CG set up to do the reach on manifest, package, widget and lifecyle 14:30:57 ... current, propose timeline. 14:31:09 ... we start the W3C review 14:31:25 ... hope review could finish by this year 14:31:50 https://goo.gle/learning-from-mini-apps 14:32:10 Thanks for the shoutout 😊 14:32:29 q+ 14:32:33 ... miniapp itself, tomayac did a great introduction 14:32:36 ack plh 14:32:44 ... see the link -> https://goo.gle/learning-from-mini-apps 14:33:09 plh: we have browser industries and miniapp industry 14:33:24 ... we should learn from each other 14:34:55 PEConn has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:35:32 scribe+ 14:35:49 I'm sorry if this has already been addressed (I missed the first part of the meeting), but do we see any appetite for super apps to use these standards? It seems that mini-app lock in is a benefit for them. 14:35:55 angel: We are in a critical moment 14:36:21 ... We are trying to move the work ahead, with the support of the community 14:36:51 ... Any comments? 14:37:18 [PEConn question on IRC] 14:37:33 present+ PEConn 14:37:48 present+ Lei_Zhao 14:38:02 Let's just be very careful that we don't bifurcate the web. There is so much overlap here with existing and proposed general web standards. I understand that there is a challenge in aligning the mini-app industry and the web but I really don't want to see two implementations of many web standards. That's really going to cause issues for developers and user experience. 14:38:07 thanks for your answer! 14:38:31 angel: We are confident that we will get implementations 14:39:10 yongjing: There are several MiniApp implementations at different levels 14:39:49 ... Superapps, and other platforms will support miniApps 14:40:03 ... can freely exchange, and grow based on the standard 14:40:33 [xfq commenting Rob's question] 14:41:35 xfq: There are several issues/PR to align the current work with the existing W3C works 14:41:48 ... privacy, i18n, accessibility 14:42:07 ... The CG has already requested review and is considering the comments 14:42:11 q? 14:42:20 q+ 14:42:28 xfq: any other comments? 14:42:55 plh: My motivation is remove friction for developers 14:43:13 ... The idea is create the code once and run in any platform 14:43:43 ... So, we should minimize the differences between platforms 14:44:06 xfq: more comments? 14:44:19 ... adjourned 14:44:45 xfq: Thanks Thomas for your presentation, thanks all for your participation 14:45:02 rssagent, make minutes 14:45:04 zakim, end meeting 14:45:04 As of this point the attendees have been Roy, martin_alvarez, hartmanng, igarashi, Rob, plh, xfq, xueyuan, tomayac, Qing_An, angel, Dan_Zhou, zhenjie, Tengyuan_Zhang, Hiroshi_Ota, 14:45:07 ... Yongjing_Zhang, Zitao_Wang, Yajun_Zhang, Wanming, PEConn, Lei_Zhao 14:45:07 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 14:45:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-MiniApp-Standardization-minutes.html Zakim 14:45:09 I am happy to have been of service, Roy; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 14:45:13 Zakim has left #MiniApp-Standardization 14:54:53 chair: angel, xfq 14:54:58 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 14:54:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-MiniApp-Standardization-minutes.html xfq 14:55:13 s/Angle/Angel/ 14:55:53 s/... miniapp cg work on charter/angel: miniapp cg work on charter/ 14:56:08 plh has left #MiniApp-Standardization 14:56:35 wanming has left #MiniApp-Standardization 14:57:33 s/Q&A section interpretation function enabled in zoom/Q&A section will not be recorded, simultaneous interpretation can be enabled in zoom/ 14:57:41 mknowles has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 14:57:58 s/such as package/such as WPACK/ 14:58:22 s/Chinese IG start to/Chinese IG started to/ 14:58:38 mknowles has left #MiniApp-Standardization 15:01:20 s/We are in a critical moment/in TPAC 2019 Chinese IG F2F we made it clear that we only move a proposal to WG when there's enough support from miniapp vendors/ 15:02:06 s/Superapps/super apps/ 15:02:27 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 15:02:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-MiniApp-Standardization-minutes.html xfq 15:04:52 s/with the existing W3C works/with the existing W3C activities 15:08:05 martin_ has joined #MiniApp-Standardization 15:09:17 s/ur presentation, thanks all/ur presentation. Thanks all/ 15:09:48 s/idea is create the code/idea is to code/ 15:10:27 s/ is remove friction/ is to remove friction/ 15:10:53 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 15:10:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/29-MiniApp-Standardization-minutes.html martin_ 15:45:02 Roy has joined #MiniApp-Standardization