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17:50:15 <Zakim> Meeting: Creative Imagination for an Ethical Web
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17:51:28 <dom> scribe+
17:53:49 <dom> Present+ Ralph_Swick, Lauren_Leel_McCarthy, Mindy_Seu, Shawné_Michaelain_Holloway, Evelyn_M, Francesco_Fontana, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
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17:54:25 <dom> Present+ Amelia_Winger-Bearskin
17:55:24 <dom> Present+ Madlaina_Kalunder, Dorothy_Santos
17:56:43 <dom> Present+ Balandino_Di_Donato
17:57:43 <dom> Present+ Alcina_Wong
17:57:53 <dom> Present+ Anil_Sardemann
17:58:04 <dom> Present+ Brian_Kardell
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17:58:07 <dom> Present+ Will_Ringland
17:58:31 <dom> Present+ Tyler_Yin
17:58:36 <dom> Present+ Chris_Needham
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17:59:24 <dom> Present+ Alan_Stearns
17:59:34 <dom> Present+ Dan_Appelquist
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18:00:31 <dom> Present+ Tiger_Oakes
18:00:36 <dom> Present+ Tzviya_Siegman
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18:01:03 <dom> Present+ Chris_Wilson
18:01:09 <dom> Present+ Rhiaro
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18:01:16 <dom> Present+ Alan_Bird
18:01:39 <dom> Present+ Tantek_Çelik
18:01:43 <dom> Present+ Shuangtin_Yao
18:01:47 <dom> Present+ Stalgia_Grigg
18:01:52 <dom> Present+ Boaz_Sender
18:01:59 <dom> Present+ Andreas_Tai
18:02:19 <dom> Present+ Sarah_Ciston
18:02:24 <dom> Present+ Sheila_Moussavi
18:02:48 <dom> Present+ Ashley_Lewis
18:02:48 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya_Siegman
18:04:13 <dom> Lauren: I'm here on behalf of the p5.js foundation, happy to featuring a few sessions for this unconference, trying to see where the Web needs to evolve
18:04:17 <dom> ... excited to start with this panel
18:04:27 <dom> ... it's time to think where we are with Internet, where we wants it to go
18:04:36 <dom> ... have a more ethical, equitable, inclusive internet
18:04:50 <dom> ... the panelists here are writers, developers, designers, artists
18:05:08 <dom> ... the goal is to push the boundaries of what we're imagining for these technologies we're building
18:05:41 <dom> ... we have Mindy Seu, Amelia Winger-Bearskin, Shawné Holloway, Alcina Wong
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18:06:01 <tantek> present+
18:06:08 <jesdaigle> present+
18:06:09 <dom> ... Mindy is a designer, researcher, fellow at harvard law school
18:06:12 <Ralph> present+ Ralph_Swick
18:06:42 <dom> Present+ Eric_Portis
18:06:48 <dom> Present+ Hadley_Beeman
18:07:02 <dom> Mindy: cyberfeminismindex.com launched last week
18:07:25 <dom> ... cyber- comes from cybernetics in the '40s, and used for cyberspace in neuromancer
18:07:35 <dom> ... this was a term very much dominated by the male gaze
18:07:51 <dom> ... cyberfenimism is a provocation to rethink the notion of cyberspace
18:08:11 <dom> ... the index touches on intersectionalism to see what cyberfeminism might include
18:08:29 <dom> ... globally - in South America, Asia, North America
18:08:38 <dom> ... the index is open source, open access
18:08:58 <dom> ... [reviews elements of the index]
18:09:22 <dom> ... coming out between the early 90's and now
18:09:44 <dom> ... the Web site is inspired by the old boys network in the late 90's
18:10:07 <dom> ... an all-static web site based on HTML & CSS, not embedding lots of technologies and thus durable
18:10:21 <dom> ... the interaction with the Web makes it unusual
18:10:28 <dom> ... the Web site is meant to react to the user behavior
18:10:56 <dom> ... as you reveal new elements in the index, it builds a trail on the right hand side which allows a download
18:11:24 <dom> ... it also incorporate cross-references to allow to move around between different entries that gives a critique or a support of the current item
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18:11:42 <dom> ... I relate this to "gathering"
18:11:51 <dom> ... once you click the download button, you get a PDF
18:12:09 <dom> ... all of these things are in CC - no need to ask for permission as long as there is recognition
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18:12:27 <dom> ... the PDF view is trying to encourage re-using the content for your own needs
18:12:57 <dom> ... download is a way to own the content
18:13:45 <dom> ... the content is built with accessibility in mind, with clear alt text, and gives verbal and textual guidance to traverse the content
18:14:10 <dom> Present+ Jeffrey_Yasskin, Jason_White, Mike, LeAnne Wagner, Kevin_White
18:14:42 <dom> Lauren: [introducing Ashley Lewis, designer]
18:15:26 <dom> Ashley: I'm really excited to be here, I'm a speculative designer, a new media artist
18:15:30 <dom> ... afro-futurism
18:15:42 <dom> ... thinking a lot about social justice, ethics of tech and intersections with my practice
18:15:49 <dom> ... I most identify as a community organizer
18:16:07 <dom> ... I'll share a few related examples of my practice
18:16:42 <dom> ... this is a piece "heirloom spaceship" which metaphorically mimics the perserverance of a black woman navigating through the world
18:17:07 <dom> ... based on a series of a 32 interviews with black women, revealing the additional emotion labors they're exposed in the virtual and real world
18:17:19 <dom> ... Culturehub
18:17:39 <dom> ... I've done a lot of work around the Sci-Fi genre - 79% is directly inspired by Sci-Fi
18:17:59 <dom> ... which worries me given most of it is written by white males - who is writing the future?
18:18:26 <dom> ... the project tries to insert BIPOC future speculations into writing the future
18:19:00 <dom> ... The global crisis generated by the pandemic was an opportunity to ask what role to play
18:19:21 <dom> ... this reminded me of this card game toward designing a better future
18:19:55 <dom> ... this came up in the context of the the "defund the police" movement, with the idea of helping define the future where police gets defunded, what would it look like
18:20:11 <dom> ... we ran a session with more 250+ applicants from all over the world
18:20:42 <dom> ... this led to the creation of 58 worlds to tangibly describe what the future could look like
18:21:27 <dom> ... I also spend a lot of time thinking about an equitable internet society based on organisms
18:21:44 <dom> ... e.g. like this growing mold that branches as it grows
18:22:21 <dom> ... exploring how we might consider new conversation about digital immigration, how we identify like slime mold with 100s of sexuality, non-hierarchical, ...
18:23:01 <dom> ... I've run a few iterations of a project that crowd-sources community data of black people that have died at the hands of police brutality
18:23:21 <dom> ... as a community organizer, I spend a lot of time thinking about CoC, how we create communities
18:23:44 <dom> ... I've been working for the last few years on a project called ml5, a sister project to p5, to enable ML opportunities for artists and new learners
18:24:02 <dom> ... We had to articulate our responsibilities as technologies to real-world impact
18:24:09 <dom> ... incl a BLM statement
18:24:21 <dom> ... We have a very robust CoC for ML5, re-used in ITP at NYU
18:24:50 <dom> ... this project has inspired 5 other technology tools to adopt their first CoC
18:25:12 <dom> ... my art practice has been so meaningful in articulating my technology practice to articule new futures
18:25:18 <dom> ... a mixture of art and technology
18:25:29 <dom> ... it takes a lot of imagination to think how technology could work differently
18:25:41 <dom> ... imagining outlandish, very different futures
18:26:48 <dom> ... [showing picture of Ashley in front of a pile of found objects, designed to look like a spaceship, much a child would build one; with a projector, sensors]
18:27:40 <dom> Lauren: Introducing Amelia Winger-Bearskin
18:29:16 <dom> Amelia: [showing video discussing the impact of machine learning on the world]
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18:32:13 <dom> ... don't colonize our future - don't get stuck in a colonial mindset
18:32:27 <dom> ... decentralization has been used in Iroquois cultures for centuries
18:32:47 <dom> ... could be used e.g. to rethink blockchains
18:34:26 <dom> Lauren: introducing Shawné Holloway, new media artist and poet
18:35:19 <dom> Shawné: I teach a lot, I'm always thinking a lot that it doesn't have to be like this - none of it
18:35:29 <dom> ... it was decided, but not all of us had a say
18:36:00 <dom> ... where do all the internet angsty artists go?
18:37:59 <dom> ... [read from a text submitted to a workshop on the role of the web for free speech]
18:41:27 <dom> ... it's hard to imagine a world where we would replace the Web with an entirely new system that would fix all of its failings
18:41:55 <dom> ... but it would be useful to find a way to refactor it (as in "go in and rearrange code" to make it easier to read of fix it)
18:42:09 <dom> ... to make it more suitable to a malleable future
18:42:20 <dom> ... but it needs a collective decision on what it should and should not be used for
18:43:57 <dom> ... artists play a role in exploring the space around freedoms enabled by the platform (freedom of speech, freedom of choice, ...)
18:44:24 <dom> ... we should recognize what characteritics of the Web aren't a good look for the internet, or for us moving forward
18:44:38 <dom> ... it doesn't have to be this way - it can be any way we decide it to be
18:45:19 <dom> Lauren: P5.js is an open source library for making creative work on the Web
18:45:35 <dom> ... these values of inclusion, diversity, access are central to the project
18:45:56 <dom> ... these are the grounding principles upon which we build, make mistakes, learn and improve over time
18:46:37 <dom> Topic: Discussions
18:46:50 <dom> Lauren: a lot of you discussed building tools or communities around a new set of values
18:47:22 <dom> ... what are the strategies for refactoring in a very practical sense?
18:47:39 <dom> Ashley: I get push back every time I try to interface with building infrastructure for ethics
18:47:52 <dom> ... one feature that has been helpful has been to have allies with different level of power and support
18:48:10 <dom> ... Dan Schiffman has been a huge ally in the space of creating more ethical infrastructure
18:48:15 <dom> ... but still get a lot of pushback
18:48:25 <dom> ... have to go through the emotion labour of convincing people this is important
18:48:45 <dom> ... one of the silverlining of the pandemics is the visual demonstration of why this is important
18:49:14 <dom> ... As a technologist, there has been a pretty significant bubble that has been burst, with less pushback
18:49:31 <dom> ... very meaningful to leverage the power and privilges I have to connect BLM with tech
18:49:31 <tantek> Q to panelists: what do you think of the existing TAG Ethical Web Principles https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/ethical-web-principles/ and how can we improve and evolve them to look forward with the values expressed by the presentations?
18:49:42 <dom> Mindy: during Ashley's presnetations, she talked about the CoC
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18:50:27 <dom> ... the important of value alignment means that pushback is good - friction generates important discussion
18:50:54 <dom> ... the first of the index says that the index will always be complete - we're not trying to fortify a canon
18:51:12 <dom> ... being open to change, welcoming the pushback can be beneficial tool
18:51:29 <dom> Amelia: for my project, I'm creating a system to create ethical dependencies for software project
18:51:52 <dom> ... the only ethical question at the moment is about the license - wouldn't it be great to document more ethical values?
18:52:36 <dom> ... this immediately led to pushback about enforcement - which I didn't think was the important perspective
18:52:58 <dom> ... allowing to articulate values is important in making these values visible and explicit
18:53:48 <dom> Lauren: several people mentioned the Ethical Web document on which feedback is sought
18:54:09 <dom> ... another question is how to make the Web inclusive when not everyone can get on the Web
18:54:24 <dom> ... Which leads to the dicsussion around access, including disability, but also the current situation with parenting
18:54:32 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/idcg really wants your input!
18:55:43 <dom> Shawné: this is a question that I investigated - what's the widest spread technology right? e.g. AR/VR are still of limited spread
18:56:00 <dom> ... my definition of new media is what technology is most accessible to everybody, easiest to use, and that we all have the language for
18:56:50 <dom> Mindy: to comment on mentorship - it implies a life-long relationship, this idea that they're inviting you to their life, with teaching going both way
18:57:07 <dom> ... very contrasted with the action-hero culture of come-fix-and-go
18:57:39 <dom> ... before fixing the digital divide, we need understand what for and if that's what the communities want
18:58:17 <dom> ... It's not enough to say you're open for anyone to apply to be actually inclusive
18:58:36 <dom> ... it needs to be welcoming over time, not just from a one-time basis
18:58:56 <dom> Amelia: re access, a lot of us are trying to build our own ISP in our reservations
18:59:27 <dom> ... having to trade outside of the reservations break our sovereignty
19:00:01 <dom> Ashley: Amelia mentioned "building your own world" - one of thing that comes complicated when trying to fix the borken thing we're all used
19:00:59 <dom> ... getting the affected communities to join to fix it is putting the labor on them - finding the right balance is very delicate
19:01:08 <dom> ... something very important we need to learn how to communicate on
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19:01:43 <dom> Lauren: we have to close unfortunately - thank you to all the panelists, thank you to W3C for hosting this
19:01:56 <dom> ... we have two more p5 sessions - WebXR Through Art, and Consentful communication
19:02:30 <outofambit> this was so great! thank you everyone!
19:02:51 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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19:04:18 <rhiaro> thanks for scribing dom, what an amazing session
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19:50:49 <Ralph> zakim, end meeting
19:50:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ralph_Swick, Lauren_Leel_McCarthy, Mindy_Seu, Shawné_Michaelain_Holloway, Evelyn_M, Francesco_Fontana, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux,
19:50:52 <Zakim> ... Amelia_Winger-Bearskin, Madlaina_Kalunder, Dorothy_Santos, Balandino_Di_Donato, Alcina_Wong, Anil_Sardemann, Brian_Kardell, Alan, Will_Ringland, Tyler_Yin, Chris_Needham,
19:50:52 <Zakim> ... Alan_Stearns, Dan_Appelquist, Tiger_Oakes, Tzviya_Siegman, Chris_Wilson, Rhiaro, tzviya, Alan_Bird, Tantek_Çelik, Shuangtin_Yao, Stalgia_Grigg, Boaz_Sender, Andreas_Tai,
19:50:56 <Zakim> ... Sarah_Ciston, Sheila_Moussavi, Ashley_Lewis, tantek, jesdaigle, Eric_Portis, Hadley_Beeman, Jeffrey_Yasskin, Jason_White, Mike, LeAnne, Wagner, Kevin_White
19:50:56 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
19:50:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/26-ethical-web-minutes.html Zakim
19:50:56 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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