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19:44:18 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
19:44:52 <PWinstanley> regrets+: antoine
19:45:13 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
19:45:30 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.10.06
19:45:39 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
19:45:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/06-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
19:54:55 <PWinstanley> regrets+ annette_g
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20:10:18 <plh> present+
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20:10:47 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
20:10:52 <PWinstanley> proposed:  accept https://www.w3.org/2020/09/22-dxwg-minutes
20:10:58 <PWinstanley> +1
20:10:59 <plh> 0
20:11:01 <ana> +1
20:11:02 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:11:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> 0 (i was not there)
20:11:16 <PWinstanley> resolved:  accept https://www.w3.org/2020/09/22-dxwg-minutes
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20:11:27 <AndreaPerego> topic: agenda
20:11:54 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.10.06
20:12:51 <AndreaPerego> topic: AOB
20:13:58 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: thinking about the future of the group - what do we see as the longer-term future, given the work we are doing and the changes that the Process 2020 brings?
20:14:21 <plh> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1f0X-GZsPo-Si4UswIhSQA1iyEXH91iATyRRns9Lg2AQ/edit#slide=id.g6c0d24ae60_0_16
20:14:45 <PWinstanley> plh: the slides were presented 6/12 ago
20:15:20 <PWinstanley> ... Process 2020 was answering questions about the ways to show the current version of a standard that is in active development
20:16:01 <PWinstanley> ... where there are no requirements to demonstrate implementation.  The only illustration being WG consensus.
20:16:41 <PWinstanley> ... At the other end of the spectrum there are existing recommendations that need small changes/corrections without having to wait a year or more to effect change
20:17:35 <PWinstanley> ... P2020 allows this.  It requires the WG to work out what they want and then to pick the type/s of mode/s that work best for them
20:18:14 <PWinstanley> ... There are not the same constraints on timing.
20:19:12 <PWinstanley> ... Standards can be fixed in time, with periods of a specific version being in effect.
20:20:05 <PWinstanley> ... Although P2020 is active, it is not active (yet) for all WG - this administrative step will take place in November.
20:21:37 <PWinstanley> ... In the new world the royalty-free commitment will be secured from the point of CR Snapshot and PWD1, rather than from the publication of the Rec
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20:22:01 <PWinstanley> ... Management of DCAT is up to the group to decide
20:23:27 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
20:24:15 <AndreaPerego> plh: About DCAT, in case it is used by some gov agency, maybe it would be better to stick to the old path.
20:24:40 <AndreaPerego> ... Usually, they are more confortable when they have a specific version to link to.
20:25:34 <AndreaPerego> ... But this is not the case, then you can go for the other option - a living document.
20:26:19 <AndreaPerego> ... So, what do you want?
20:26:53 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Thanks, plh . Actually, this is something to be brought to the broad group.
20:27:24 <AndreaPerego> ... I think for DXWG it depends on which deliverable we are talking about.
20:29:33 <AndreaPerego> plh: In case the group decides to stick to the old REC path for some deliverable, now the procedure is simpler.
20:29:58 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:30:22 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
20:30:34 <alejandra> present+
20:32:08 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: thanks plh  for the explanation.  If we have a living doc that can be changed at any time, the community of users (e.g gov agencies for DCAT) might prefer the previous approach where there are defined releases.  Is there any policy to follow to use a living doc but to prevent breaks?
20:32:29 <PWinstanley> plh: it is up to the WG to sort out a working approach for this
20:32:48 <PWinstanley> ... the WG needs to evaluate, and connect with its user community
20:33:13 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Are there any policies to be followed for living documents, e.g., ensuring backward compatibility to prevent existing implementations from being broken?
20:33:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:33:24 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:33:30 <AndreaPerego> plh: No, it is up to the WG to decide.
20:33:57 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: living standards have a publication structure
20:34:42 <PWinstanley> ... if in e.g. DCAT we have a new part, is the PWD a way to get feedback?
20:35:05 <AndreaPerego> s/AndreaPerego: Are there any policies to be followed for living documents, e.g., ensuring backward compatibility to prevent existing implementations from being broken?//
20:35:06 <PWinstanley> ... or are we forced to work at the level of CR Snapshot?
20:35:13 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:36:01 <AndreaPerego> s/plh: No, it is up to the WG to decide.//
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20:36:12 <PWinstanley> plh: CR Draft can be published - it just requires a WG decision.  The CR Snapshot can only be made not less than every 6 months
20:36:12 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: PWinstanley
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20:37:03 <PWinstanley> ... new features can only be added if authorised to do so when getting permission to publish the propsed recommendation
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20:37:16 <PWinstanley> ... which is not the case for DCAT
20:37:57 <PWinstanley> ... once the PR authorises it then the authority is for ever
20:39:18 <PWinstanley> ... When there are proposed changes, there will be a call for exclusion and AC review so that they can become normative
20:39:34 <plh> https://w3c.github.io/tr-design/p2020mockup/rec-6.2.11.3.html
20:39:54 <PWinstanley> ... this is a sample of one that contains proposed changes
20:40:25 <PWinstanley> ... The style is still open to change - the key is to ensure that the proposed changes are easily identified
20:41:02 <PWinstanley> ... If you don't want to do all of that, then the CR Snapshot is the route to take
20:41:22 <PWinstanley> ... These choices are not mutually exclusive
20:41:58 <PWinstanley> ... The key is to ensure that the user community understands the process and the status of the product/s
20:42:35 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:42:42 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:42:47 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
20:43:21 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: we may want to discuss versioning to update alejandra
20:43:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:43:33 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:43:34 <AndreaPerego> topic: DCAT
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20:43:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#dataset-versions
20:43:56 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: the decision to merge changes related to versioning - see link.  s10 has been updated
20:44:45 <PWinstanley> ... the rationale is to show the summary of what is a very wide discussion and guides people to contribute to that discussion
20:45:16 <PWinstanley> ... there is an agreement on the solution
20:45:53 <PWinstanley> ... but there is a need for more discussion on issue #1251
20:46:01 <PWinstanley> ... and #868
20:47:51 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: the extended version of the versioning section includes preliminary considerations in 3 sections. version information and resource lifecycle are not problematic.  There is a consensus.  Version types, on the other hand, is more problematic
20:48:13 <PWinstanley> ... we have not solved this as the definition is community-specific
20:49:03 <PWinstanley> ... There is github discussion on the use of FRBR - it has a rich model.
20:49:57 <PWinstanley> ... by publishing at this stage we are looking to stimulate feedback from the group
20:51:01 <PWinstanley> alejandra: I think defining version types is useul in giving us a route to showing relationships between versions
20:51:35 <PWinstanley> ... I also want to mention that there is a UN Data Forum recorded session where I promoted DCAT
20:52:22 <PWinstanley> ... this forum will take place online -
20:52:28 <plh> https://unstats.un.org/unsd/undataforum/index.html
20:52:40 <alejandra> https://unstats.un.org/unsd/undataforum/index.html
20:52:50 <alejandra> yes, that's it
20:53:27 <PWinstanley> alejandra: my talk was about bridging between statistical and scientific data
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20:54:46 <alejandra> s/useul/useful
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20:56:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> Thanks all, have a good night!
20:56:26 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye bye!
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