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15:34:35 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ivan
15:34:43 <ivan> Chair: wendy
15:34:43 <ivan> Date: 2020-08-24
15:34:43 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/mid/1A022274-D6E1-458C-B99E-163A51301891@rakuten.com
15:34:43 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Working Group Telco
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16:06:04 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: let's get started
16:06:11 <dauwhe_> Topic: minutes
16:06:23 <wendyreid> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2020/2020-07-27-pwg
16:06:27 <BenSchroeter> sorry technical difficulties with zoom
16:06:37 <dauwhe_> garth: good minutes
16:06:46 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: minutes approved
16:06:54 <dauwhe_> Topic: testing updates
16:06:57 <ivan> present+ teenya
16:07:07 <ivan> present+ Lars
16:07:10 <dauwhe_> Lars: We focused on getting all tests passing
16:07:24 <dauwhe_> ... the entire suite of tests is now passing
16:07:33 <dauwhe_> ... we wrote unit tests for the entire list
16:07:38 <dauwhe_> ... we are 100% covered
16:07:46 <dauwhe_> ... ivan, I'm supposed to submit these?
16:07:56 <dauwhe_> ... a PR or something?
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16:08:05 <dauwhe_> ivan: send me a JSON file or a PR
16:08:16 <Teenya> present+ (Sorry I am late)
16:08:20 <dauwhe_> ... it's in the description
16:08:32 <dauwhe_> ... it's a simple set of JSON files
16:08:37 <ivan> present+ billk
16:08:40 <dauwhe_> Lars: maybe I can process the test output
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16:08:46 <dauwhe_> ... I'll take care of that tomorrow
16:08:52 <dauwhe_> ivan: woo
16:08:54 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
16:08:56 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: woo
16:08:57 <tzviya> present+
16:09:33 <dauwhe_> garth: our engineer has unit test frameworks
16:09:49 <ivan> present+ brady
16:10:11 <dauwhe_> ... we can do some tests with manifests, but not all of them
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16:10:23 <dauwhe_> ivan: if you don't mention test, it's considered to not have run
16:10:27 <duga> present+
16:10:38 <dauwhe_> garth: the other comment was 49-55 are about length, we don't implement
16:10:46 <dauwhe_> ... 56 and 57 are not useful for us
16:10:55 <dauwhe_> ... those are all the pub manifest tests
16:11:06 <dauwhe_> ... I had a query on Friday on the JSON audio tests
16:11:26 <dauwhe_> ... we will have the majority of results
16:11:56 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: it's still a good update
16:11:59 <dauwhe_> ... better than mine
16:12:10 <dauwhe_> ... ivan and I spoke to coursesource this morning about impl
16:12:24 <dauwhe_> ... they have a roadmap; don't think they will get there this year
16:12:33 <dauwhe_> ... but they are OK being listed as future implementer
16:12:51 <garth> s/about length/about links/
16:13:22 <Avneesh> for meeting records, link to Obi production tool (reference implementation):
16:13:23 <Avneesh> https://daisy.org/activities/software/obi/obi-4-6-test-releases/
16:13:31 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: the implementation for Obi can't be tested in the same way
16:13:37 <dauwhe_> ... but I do need test results from them
16:13:54 <dauwhe_> ivan: if we forget Ivan and Matt's implementations
16:14:06 <dauwhe_> ... we do have for each feature two implementations, Is that correct?
16:14:09 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: yes
16:14:15 <dauwhe_> ivan: marisa and lars
16:14:22 <dauwhe_> ... and 3 for most, because google
16:14:38 <dauwhe_> ... what should be our deadline for starting PR process
16:14:47 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: we need four weeks for voting
16:14:58 <dauwhe_> ivan: we need another two weeks for process
16:15:10 <dauwhe_> ... process to get PR should start first week of September
16:15:16 <dauwhe_> tzviya: when does the charter end?
16:15:19 <dauwhe_> ivan: nov 1
16:15:22 <dauwhe_> tzviya: we should start
16:15:36 <dauwhe_> ivan: we need to start early september, and we should tell Thorium that
16:15:48 <dauwhe_> ... we can wait until 5 Sept or so
16:15:57 <dauwhe_> ... two weeks monday we start the process
16:16:01 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: sept 7
16:16:06 <dauwhe_> ... that's the deadline
16:16:15 <dauwhe_> ivan: the deadline would be the friday before
16:16:20 <dauwhe_> ... on monday we start the process
16:16:59 <dauwhe_> ivan: should we keep the implementations of matt and myself in the list?
16:17:05 <dauwhe_> ... they are not reading systems
16:17:20 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: you have the most experience with "the director"
16:17:40 <dauwhe_> ivan: we keep it in, and we can tell the director what they are
16:17:40 <garth> q?
16:17:48 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: I'm OK
16:17:50 <tzviya> q+
16:17:52 <dauwhe_> mattg: ok with me
16:18:07 <wendyreid> ack tzi
16:18:11 <wendyreid> ack tzviya
16:18:12 <dauwhe_> tzviya: I don't think it hurts anything, so leave it for now
16:19:04 <dauwhe_> ivan: in the description of the imnplementation, we can make it clearer what they are
16:19:17 <dauwhe_> mattg: right, if we make it clear they were for testing the spec...
16:19:20 <dauwhe_> ... that's being honest
16:19:24 <dauwhe_> ivan: let's do that
16:19:39 <dauwhe_> Topic: EPUB 3 WG
16:19:47 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: the new WG was chartered two weeks ago
16:19:50 <dauwhe_> ... you can join now
16:19:54 <dauwhe_> .... please join
16:20:05 <dauwhe_> ... first meeting on 11 September
16:20:13 <dauwhe_> ... NA/Euro time
16:20:23 <dauwhe_> ... then alternating with NA/Asia time
16:20:28 <dauwhe_> ... details on WG home page
16:20:59 <dauwhe_> ivan: there are people in this group who are obligated to join ;)
16:21:15 <gpellegrino> I'm waiting for Cristina... that accepts my request :)
16:21:30 <wendyreid> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/epub-wg/Meetings/
16:21:30 <gpellegrino> Cristina is in Greece right now :)
16:21:42 <duga> I think we are in process of joining the group, I will click the "add me" button soon
16:21:58 <dauwhe_> (not minuting full discussion of meeting times of a different working group)
16:22:44 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: AOB?
16:23:05 <dauwhe_> wendyreid: thanks everyone, and so happy to see test results!
16:23:23 <ivan> zakim, end meeting
16:23:23 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been gpellegrino, ivan, dauwhe_, wendyreid, mattg, Avneesh, Garth, BenSchroeter, teenya, Lars, (Sorry, am, late), billk, Bill_Kasdorf, tzviya,
16:23:26 <Zakim> ... brady, duga
16:23:26 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:23:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/24-pwg-minutes.html Zakim
16:23:28 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, ivan; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:24:33 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:24:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items