14:47:14 RRSAgent has joined #wai-curricula 14:47:14 logging to https://www.w3.org/2020/08/11-wai-curricula-irc 14:47:54 agenda? 14:48:05 zakim, clear agenda 14:48:05 agenda cleared 14:50:39 Agenda+ Requirements for designers and authors to convey page structure and semantics 14:50:39 Agenda+ Requirements for designers and authors to write menu item texts and to style menus 14:50:39 Agenda+ Requirements for authors to write alternative texts and descriptions for images 14:50:39 Agenda+ Requirements for authors to write table summaries and descriptions 14:50:40 Agenda+ Requirements for content authors and designers to write instructions 14:50:40 Agenda+ Requirements for designers to style states of a widget 14:50:59 agenda? 14:51:55 Meeting: WAI Curricula Task Force Meeting 14:52:15 Date: August 11 2020 14:52:24 Chair: Daniel 14:54:21 rrsagent, make logs public 15:09:31 shadi_ has joined #wai-curricula 15:09:47 zakim, take up next 15:09:47 agendum 2. "Requirements for designers and authors to write menu item texts and to style menus" taken up [from dmontalvo] 15:10:17 Howard has joined #wai-curricula 15:10:21 present+ Howard 15:10:39 zakim, take up agendum 1 15:10:39 agendum 1. "Requirements for designers and authors to convey page structure and semantics" taken up [from dmontalvo] 15:11:55 scribe: shadi 15:12:10 DM: want to go over the sign-posting approach 15:12:13 -> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-and-semantics/#topic-section-headings Module 1, topic 1, learning outcomes, last two bullets 15:12:21 ...had issue with word "complimentary" 15:14:02 ...does this example of rewrite work better? 15:14:20 HK: agree with how this is written 15:14:40 ...however, not a WCAG requirement 15:14:47 ...i'm fine if that's OK 15:15:27 SAZ: good point, need to be careful not to imply requirement 15:15:39 DM: yes, can look at this aspect 15:18:35 HK: wondering about the term "distinctive" as opposed to "key" 15:19:24 DM: will look at that but considered "key" in the past 15:19:38 HK: maybe "primary" or "relevant" 15:20:27 s/primary/principle 15:22:40 https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/writing/#use-headings-to-convey-meaning-and-structure 15:28:30 SAZ: either use examples closer to actual requirements, or add some qualifier 15:28:44 ...for example "list requirements and good practices ..." 15:30:17 ...would run by Shawn and the planning team, maybe EOWG is interested and has time to chime in 15:30:27 -> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-and-semantics/#topic-sections-of-content Module 1, topic 2, learning outcomes, last bullet 15:31:51 DM: worried here about relation to "HTML elements" 15:32:05 ...content authors don't really use HTML code 15:36:34 SAZ: maybe reword to move away from "mark up" and be less cody 15:37:12 ...something like "use the correct type of structures, such as lists and paragraphs, to convey the intended meaning" or such 15:37:42 HK: don't feel so strongly about "mark up" but agree overall with that suggestion 15:39:17 ...or "explain that these lists are identified as 'ol' or 'ul'" 15:40:50 SAZ: think that may be too techy for some authors? 15:41:23 HK: agree, maybe specifically say "numbered lists" and "unordered lists" 15:42:06 DM: yes, differentiating these types of lists makes sense 15:42:13 -> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-and-semantics/#topic-page-structure Module 1, topic 4, learning outcomes, last bullet 15:43:45 DM: thoughts on this one? 15:45:16 https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/designing/#create-designs-for-different-viewport-sizes 15:46:42 SAZ: maybe just one example rather than both? 15:46:56 ...could try to use viewport example from Design Tips? 15:48:20 HK: agree, this seems too much 15:48:27 ...would be good to simplify 15:49:14 zakim, take up next 15:49:14 agendum 2. "Requirements for designers and authors to write menu item texts and to style menus" taken up [from dmontalvo] 15:50:47 -> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/navigational-menus/#topic-menu-styling Module 2, topic 2, learning outcomes, last 2 bullets 15:50:47 -> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/navigational-menus/#topic-menu-styling Module 2, topic 2, learning outcomes, last 2 bullets 15:53:35 SAZ: topic title jumps out at me 15:53:41 ...not really about styling 15:53:56 ...maybe more about behavior or states? 15:54:16 HK: third bullet seems vague 15:54:36 ...how would I convey the states of a menu 15:54:51 ...but don't have specific suggestion 15:57:50 https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/designing/#provide-clear-and-consistent-navigation-options 15:59:14 https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/writing/#make-link-text-meaningful 15:59:53 SAZ: agree with Howard's concern on third bullet 16:00:04 ...seems more designer-related 16:00:21 ...suggest to drop and also switch latter two bullet items 16:02:42 DM: developers need to code the different styles 16:02:59 SAZ: good point but in this case needs to be clearer and more direct 16:03:40 https://www.w3.org/WAI/curricula/ 16:03:53 ...maybe even bump up listing requirements for designers 16:04:15 ...then next bullet could be along the lines of "code styles provided by designer" or such 16:04:44 https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/ 16:11:52 https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/developing/#associate-a-label-with-every-form-control 16:12:21 https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/writing/#provide-informative-unique-page-titles 16:15:40 HK: "list requirements" could be misunderstood the developers provide requirements for authors or designers 16:15:47 ...a little ambiguous 16:18:59 SAZ: good point, maybe need to adjust sentence structure? 16:19:10 ...using another verb might not help along 16:20:10 Topic: Wrap-Up 16:20:33 DM: will be sending out a survey on modules 4, 5, and 6 16:20:43 ...these have not been reviewed yet 16:21:04 ...and optionally also modules 3, 2, and 1 if you can get to it 16:22:17 ...probably no meeting next week but will notify the list 16:23:03 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 16:23:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/11-wai-curricula-minutes.html dmontalvo 16:29:52 regrets: Estella, David, Gerhard, Donal, Carlos 16:33:03 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 16:33:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/11-wai-curricula-minutes.html dmontalvo 16:37:00 s/Date: August 11 2020//