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14:47:54 <dmontalvo> agenda?
14:48:05 <dmontalvo> zakim, clear agenda
14:48:05 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:50:39 <dmontalvo> Agenda+ Requirements for designers and authors to convey page structure and semantics
14:50:39 <dmontalvo> Agenda+ Requirements for designers and authors to write menu item texts and to style menus
14:50:39 <dmontalvo> Agenda+ Requirements for authors to write alternative texts and descriptions for images
14:50:39 <dmontalvo> Agenda+ Requirements for authors to write table summaries and descriptions
14:50:40 <dmontalvo> Agenda+ Requirements for content authors and designers to write instructions
14:50:40 <dmontalvo> Agenda+ Requirements for designers to style states of a widget
14:50:59 <dmontalvo> agenda?
14:51:55 <dmontalvo> Meeting: WAI Curricula Task Force Meeting
14:52:15 <dmontalvo> Date: August 11 2020
14:52:24 <dmontalvo> Chair: Daniel
14:54:21 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:09:47 <shadi_> zakim, take up next
15:09:47 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Requirements for designers and authors to write menu item texts and to style menus" taken up [from dmontalvo]
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15:10:21 <Howard> present+ Howard
15:10:39 <shadi_> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:10:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Requirements for designers and authors to convey page structure and semantics" taken up [from dmontalvo]
15:11:55 <shadi> scribe: shadi
15:12:10 <shadi> DM: want to go over the sign-posting approach
15:12:13 <dmontalvo> -> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-and-semantics/#topic-section-headings Module 1, topic 1, learning outcomes, last two bullets
15:12:21 <shadi> ...had issue with word "complimentary"
15:14:02 <shadi> ...does this example of rewrite work better?
15:14:20 <shadi> HK: agree with how this is written
15:14:40 <shadi> ...however, not a WCAG requirement
15:14:47 <shadi> ...i'm fine if that's OK
15:15:27 <shadi> SAZ: good point, need to be careful not to imply requirement
15:15:39 <shadi> DM: yes, can look at this aspect
15:18:35 <shadi> HK: wondering about the term "distinctive" as opposed to "key"
15:19:24 <shadi> DM: will look at that but considered "key" in the past
15:19:38 <shadi> HK: maybe "primary" or "relevant"
15:20:27 <shadi> s/primary/principle
15:22:40 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/writing/#use-headings-to-convey-meaning-and-structure
15:28:30 <shadi> SAZ: either use examples closer to actual requirements, or add some qualifier
15:28:44 <shadi> ...for example "list requirements and good practices ..."
15:30:17 <shadi> ...would run by Shawn and the planning team, maybe EOWG is interested and has time to chime in
15:30:27 <dmontalvo> -> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-and-semantics/#topic-sections-of-content Module 1, topic 2, learning outcomes, last bullet
15:31:51 <shadi> DM: worried here about relation to "HTML elements"
15:32:05 <shadi> ...content authors don't really use HTML code
15:36:34 <shadi> SAZ: maybe reword to move away from "mark up" and be less cody
15:37:12 <shadi> ...something like "use the correct type of structures, such as lists and paragraphs, to convey the intended meaning" or such
15:37:42 <shadi> HK: don't feel so strongly about "mark up" but agree overall with that suggestion
15:39:17 <shadi> ...or "explain that these lists are identified as 'ol' or 'ul'"
15:40:50 <shadi> SAZ: think that may be too techy for some authors?
15:41:23 <shadi> HK: agree, maybe specifically say "numbered lists" and "unordered lists"
15:42:06 <shadi> DM: yes, differentiating these types of lists makes sense
15:42:13 <dmontalvo> -> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-and-semantics/#topic-page-structure Module 1, topic 4, learning outcomes, last bullet
15:43:45 <shadi> DM: thoughts on this one?
15:45:16 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/designing/#create-designs-for-different-viewport-sizes
15:46:42 <shadi> SAZ: maybe just one example rather than both?
15:46:56 <shadi> ...could try to use viewport example from Design Tips?
15:48:20 <shadi> HK: agree, this seems too much
15:48:27 <shadi> ...would be good to simplify
15:49:14 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:49:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Requirements for designers and authors to write menu item texts and to style menus" taken up [from dmontalvo]
15:50:47 <dmontalvo> -> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/navigational-menus/#topic-menu-styling Module 2, topic 2, learning outcomes, last 2 bullets
15:50:47 <dmontalvo> -> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/navigational-menus/#topic-menu-styling Module 2, topic 2, learning outcomes, last 2 bullets
15:53:35 <shadi> SAZ: topic title jumps out at me
15:53:41 <shadi> ...not really about styling
15:53:56 <shadi> ...maybe more about behavior or states?
15:54:16 <shadi> HK: third bullet seems vague
15:54:36 <shadi> ...how would I convey the states of a menu
15:54:51 <shadi> ...but don't have specific suggestion
15:57:50 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/designing/#provide-clear-and-consistent-navigation-options
15:59:14 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/writing/#make-link-text-meaningful
15:59:53 <shadi> SAZ: agree with Howard's concern on third bullet
16:00:04 <shadi> ...seems more designer-related
16:00:21 <shadi> ...suggest to drop and also switch latter two bullet items
16:02:42 <shadi> DM: developers need to code the different styles
16:02:59 <shadi> SAZ: good point but in this case needs to be clearer and more direct
16:03:40 <dmontalvo> https://www.w3.org/WAI/curricula/
16:03:53 <shadi> ...maybe even bump up listing requirements for designers
16:04:15 <shadi> ...then next bullet could be along the lines of "code styles provided by designer" or such
16:04:44 <shadi> https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/
16:11:52 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/developing/#associate-a-label-with-every-form-control
16:12:21 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tips/writing/#provide-informative-unique-page-titles
16:15:40 <shadi> HK: "list requirements" could be misunderstood the developers provide requirements for authors or designers
16:15:47 <shadi> ...a little ambiguous
16:18:59 <shadi> SAZ: good point, maybe need to adjust sentence structure?
16:19:10 <shadi> ...using another verb might not help along
16:20:10 <shadi> Topic: Wrap-Up
16:20:33 <shadi> DM: will be sending out a survey on modules 4, 5, and 6
16:20:43 <shadi> ...these have not been reviewed yet
16:21:04 <shadi> ...and optionally also modules 3, 2, and 1 if you can get to it
16:22:17 <shadi> ...probably no meeting next week but will notify the list
16:23:03 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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16:29:52 <dmontalvo> regrets: Estella, David, Gerhard, Donal, Carlos
16:33:03 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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16:37:00 <dmontalvo> s/Date: August 11 2020//