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21:02:44 <AndreaPerego> trackbot, start meeting
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21:02:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
21:02:50 <trackbot> Date: 15 July 2020
21:03:18 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DCAT subgroup call
21:04:16 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.07.15
21:04:22 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:04:41 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, make logs world
21:04:43 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:04:57 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
21:05:35 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:05:41 <alejandra> present+
21:07:12 <AndreaPerego> chair: riccardoAlbertoni
21:07:39 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
21:07:47 <riccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2020/07/01-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:07:53 <AndreaPerego> topic: accept last meeting minutes
21:08:03 <alejandra> 0 (was absent)
21:08:04 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:08:07 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:08:14 <SimonCox__> +1
21:08:41 <AndreaPerego> resolved: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2020/07/01-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:08:52 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:08:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/07/15-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:08:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.07.15
21:09:00 <AndreaPerego> topic: accept agenda
21:09:13 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Any changes?
21:09:14 <SimonCox__> +1
21:09:22 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:09:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:09:44 <alejandra> +1
21:09:52 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:09:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/07/15-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:10:01 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:10:37 <AndreaPerego> topic: where we are so far
21:11:14 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: We focussed first on versioning, making some draft proposals, and taking some working decisions on GH issues.
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21:11:53 <AndreaPerego> ... The idea is to organise a dedicated meeting in an agreed date to decide what we want to achieve.
21:11:57 <PWinstanley> present+
21:12:41 <AndreaPerego> ... There are some solutions from specific vocabularies, and we have to decide whether to incorporate their data model, or stay at a more general level.
21:13:08 <AndreaPerego> ... The second aspect we have been covering is about data services, following feedback from outside the group.
21:13:37 <AndreaPerego> ... So we are going through these issues at the moment.
21:13:38 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:17:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
21:17:26 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Some of the issues about data service are about how to query it to get the relevant data and if a database is a data service.
21:17:28 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:17:36 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:17:47 <AndreaPerego> topic: planning for next month
21:18:32 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: For many European members, August is holidays. So we should decide whether to stop or not.
21:19:01 <SimonCox__> No holidays here!
21:19:01 <AndreaPerego> ... Maybe there are also plan for the broader group.
21:19:12 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: I'm going to have a break.
21:19:55 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:20:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:20:12 <alejandra> I'm not sure yet about availability in August
21:20:37 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I may be able to attend anyway.
21:21:51 <SimonCox__> q+
21:21:53 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: What about restarting the last week of August?
21:21:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack SimonCox__
21:23:11 <AndreaPerego> s/PWinstanley: I'm going to have a break.//
21:23:52 <SimonCox__> Instead of discussing meetings, I'd like to discuss priorities?
21:23:59 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I actually don't see problems to have meetings in August if we want do that.
21:24:19 <PWinstanley> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:24:39 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: About priorities, what we have is versioning and data services. But we can also include other items.
21:24:41 <SimonCox__> q+
21:24:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:24:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack SimonCox__
21:24:51 <AndreaPerego> .. SimonCox, do you have any suggestion?
21:24:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
21:26:46 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox__: About data service, I am reluctant to go further than giving some directions. I think I can help more on versioning.
21:27:36 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I would like to make some decision on versioning first. So I suggest we try to have this sprint (either in August or in September).
21:27:36 <alejandra> +q
21:27:40 <SimonCox__> +1 to Versioning sprint at the beginning of September
21:27:59 <SimonCox__> ... but would be good to have a strawman/draft first?
21:28:28 <AndreaPerego> ... The other possibility is implement some minor revisions on this topic, and then discuss later other issues.
21:29:06 <AndreaPerego> ... I have also sent a mail around with a summary of the issues. Don't know if this is useful - hope so.
21:29:35 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: About what we mean with sprint. Is it a normal or an extended meeting?
21:30:00 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I'm open to both options - either 1 or 2 hours. The important thing is to have all editors present.
21:30:08 <SimonCox__> Do we also need Makx? He has some concrete/strong ideas
21:30:46 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Makx would be very welcome.
21:31:52 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: So, to summarise: we are not going to plan meetings in August, unless something urgent happens. And we have the sprint in September.
21:32:40 <AndreaPerego> action: riccardoAlbertoni to change the doodle poll to include dates for September
21:32:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-428 - Change the doodle poll to include dates for september [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2020-07-22].
21:32:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> Opportunities to disseminate DCAT 2, for example, providing feedback and suggestion via the RDA survey (https://bit.ly/3emXK0s)
21:32:57 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:32:58 <PWinstanley> q+
21:33:03 <alejandra> q-
21:33:09 <AndreaPerego> topic: DCAT dissemination
21:33:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
21:33:46 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: There's some RDA work that could be relevant, and the question is how to make them aware of DCAT.
21:33:51 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack PWinstanley
21:35:09 <AndreaPerego> ... The RDA Metadata IG is trying to identify key metadata elements, and DCAT may have something to say on some of them.
21:35:43 <SimonCox__> Ranking 15 (?) elements before you can go further is not a great experience!
21:35:43 <AndreaPerego> ... So if we want to contribute, explaining the solutions we have adopted, we can add content to the documents they prepared.
21:36:28 <SimonCox__> q+
21:36:33 <AndreaPerego> ... But I have not been following closely the work of this group, so I don't know if it is appropriate being proactive.
21:36:37 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack SimonCox__
21:37:09 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox__: I have some concerns of the approach they are taking.
21:38:07 <alejandra> +q
21:38:30 <AndreaPerego> ... It is true however that DCAT is part of the game in RDA, but many people are also looking at schema.org.
21:38:40 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:38:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
21:38:56 <AndreaPerego> ... So, we may contribute, but I am not sure about the impact.
21:39:44 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I am not too familiar with RDA Metadata IG. I also do not see how to prioritise the elements has any value.
21:40:22 <AndreaPerego> ... Also, I have not seen any reference to DCAT in their documents.
21:40:43 <AndreaPerego> ... So it may be good having DCAT mentioned there.
21:41:07 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
21:41:10 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I tend to agree. I have not understood why they are doing this.
21:41:13 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:41:43 <alejandra> s/I also do not see how to prioritise the elements has any value./I am also not sure how prioritising/ordering the elements helps
21:41:54 <alejandra> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:41:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/07/15-dxwgdcat-minutes.html alejandra
21:43:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:44:09 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack
21:44:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack riccardoAlbertoni
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21:45:10 <PWinstanley> q+
21:45:32 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I share the same concerns. But we can try.
21:45:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack PWinstanley
21:48:04 <alejandra> +q
21:48:06 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: So, how we can proceed?
21:48:07 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:48:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
21:48:35 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I think it is important to understand what we want to achieve.
21:48:42 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:48:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:49:39 <riccardoAlbertoni> uality {http://bit.ly/2svs0Cc }
21:50:05 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
21:50:13 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:50:57 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Yes, good question. Not sure how much impact it may have adding DCAT mappings.
21:52:15 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: An example is my contribution about quality. I think it is important for them to know that for some elements DCAT implements them in a given way.
21:52:26 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:52:31 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack andrea
21:52:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:53:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to andrea
21:56:44 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: The issue is that it is unclear if DCAT is considered relevant for their work, so before devoting time and effort it may be good to know that.
21:56:44 <riccardoAlbertoni> [http://rd-alliance.github.io/metadata-directory/standards/dcat-data-catalog-vocabulary.html
22:00:04 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Yes, this would require time, and I would prefer focussing on DCAT issues.
22:00:32 <SimonCox__> I have to go now
22:00:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
22:01:07 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Just to remind about Makx's email, about a DCAT webinar for DCMI.
22:02:11 <AndreaPerego> ... I am happy to do it, but if anyone else is interested... They are thinking of a 40-min talk.
22:02:31 <alejandra> +q
22:03:12 <AndreaPerego> ... I think that the picture we can give would be very much fit for the primer we are thinking of.
22:03:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
22:04:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 alejandra
22:04:26 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I think it would be indeed be useful for the group to have a standard set of slides for DCAT.
22:05:08 <AndreaPerego> ... We can also make them available publicly.
22:05:17 <AndreaPerego> q+
22:05:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> Happy to collaborate too
22:05:50 <AndreaPerego> q-
22:06:44 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks ..
22:06:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye
22:06:51 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
22:06:57 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:07:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> simonCox+
22:07:28 <riccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:08:06 <AndreaPerego> present+ SimonCox
22:08:07 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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