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20:57:21 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
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21:01:23 <riccardoAlbertoni> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup
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21:04:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.07.01
21:04:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:12:57 <SimonCox> Present+
21:13:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
21:13:25 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
21:13:30 <PWinstanley> present+
21:13:39 <riccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2020/06/17-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:13:40 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept minutes
21:13:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:14:02 <SimonCox> +0 not present
21:14:05 <PWinstanley> +1
21:14:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2020/06/17-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:14:35 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.07.01
21:14:38 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: Any changes to the agenda?
21:14:44 <SimonCox> no changes
21:14:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> topic: Examples of a manifest for DCAT2 (https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1243)
21:15:10 <PWinstanley> Topic: Examples of a manifest for DCAT2
21:16:06 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: the interest here is specifically relating to many files and their aggregation
21:16:43 <PWinstanley> ... looking at the European Data Portal there are some examples, but are there any others/
21:16:54 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.europeandataportal.eu/data/datasets/593c5b46-5c92-475e-90fa-20077fc3c06e?locale=it
21:17:49 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-2/#examples-bag-of-files
21:18:26 <SimonCox> but I suspect that dcterms:hasPart might be better
21:18:29 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: even if it is not in the manifest, using the DCAT example of a bag of files will be helpful
21:18:39 <riccardoAlbertoni> ?Q
21:18:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> ?q
21:19:39 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: I did this work a long time ago - we used the dct:relation to point to the components, but on reflection using dct:hasPart might be better.
21:21:01 <PWinstanley> ... because relations have no semantics and it could be a seeAlso etc, but the specific case here is saying that the set of artefacts together represent the catalogues assets, but we can also use in the context of elements of a dataset
21:21:25 <PWinstanley> ... this might mean moving dct:hasPart to a property of dcat:Resource
21:21:40 <SimonCox> ... or maybe on dcat:Dataset
21:22:56 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: so we are pointing to some kind of answer, but what if there are files in different directories etc, where do we point to then?
21:24:17 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: relative paths can be used in the URI, not 'linked data' friendly, but appropriate semantics
21:24:56 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: I think that both of these examples will be helpful
21:25:44 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: an improvement of the spec would be to make it explicit that dct:hasPart can be used in a dataset description
21:26:30 <SimonCox> i.e. `dcterms:hasPart` is recommended for use on `dcat:Dataset` (promote from `dcat:Catalog`)
21:26:53 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: I think we should provide examples, but not change the recommendation
21:26:55 <SimonCox> This is also relevant https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-2/#qualified-relationship
21:32:40 <PWinstanley> action: riccardoAlbertoni to update examples and add notes to github issue 1243
21:32:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-426 - Update examples and add notes to github issue 1243 [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2020-07-08].
21:34:06 <PWinstanley> Topic: Service Descriptions
21:34:27 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: is there any objection to clustering these 3 issues in the same milestone?
21:37:08 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: the first (cataloguing the SQL database data) seems different to the other two, which are about an entry point to accessing data
21:38:56 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: they all ask for more information about data services - they want to take data from a service, and the pointer is providing more than one dataset so the type of direction to get the query targetting a specific dataset is required
21:41:27 <PWinstanley> ... Andrea has already suggested some response.  I think that this is out of the scope of DCAT
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21:41:59 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:42:21 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:44:20 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: in the last plenary I outlined the issue
21:45:21 <PWinstanley> ... DCAT is generally about describing material that is available on the web, whereas the enquiry was about things which are more likely to be enterprise data
21:46:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
21:46:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack
21:46:17 <PWinstanley> ... I also got the impression that the requirement is somehow related to the data service part (API etc) and this is where our use cases ended
21:46:18 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
21:46:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:47:33 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: extensions that suit enterprise use are generally specific to the enterprise.
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21:48:20 <PWinstanley> ... so I'm not sure if this is generalisable
21:49:59 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: are the requirements of gov getting more sophisticated?
21:50:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:50:52 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: maybe.  There are also internal enthusiasts who are looking to bring semantic tech into their cataloging efforts
21:51:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
21:51:25 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:52:49 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: A reply might include some guidance on extending DCAT via the dcat:DataService with things like ODBC connection and example queries
21:55:36 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: unless we are going to get more enquiries about the same topic we should just provide some guidance, which can include examples of how to express queries etc
21:55:54 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:56:13 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:56:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:58:05 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: a comment about the manifest:  one of the things I was thinking is that we could ask for use cases, because the manifest file can mean a simple list or more sophisticated information that can assist with e.g. visualising the archived data
22:02:30 <PWinstanley> action: riccardoAlbertoni to reply to the point about manifests [ https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1243 ]
22:02:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-427 - Reply to the point about manifests [ https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1243 ] [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2020-07-08].
22:03:02 <PWinstanley> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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