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14:49:30 <Daniel> zakim, agenda?
14:49:30 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:49:49 <Daniel> Meeting: WAI Curricula Task Force Meeting
14:49:55 <Daniel> Date: June 23, 2020
14:50:09 <Daniel> rrsagent, make logs public
14:51:17 <Daniel> Agenda+ Clarifying scope of this curriculum with respect to future curricula.
14:51:17 <Daniel> https://github.com/w3c/wai-curricula/labels/Clarifying%20scope%20of%20different%20curricula
14:51:48 <Daniel> Agenda+ Reorganizing the structure of the curricula
14:51:48 <Daniel> https://github.com/w3c/wai-curricula/labels/Reorganizing%20the%20structure%20of%20the%20curricula
14:52:04 <Daniel> Agenda+ Screen reader bias
14:52:04 <Daniel> https://github.com/w3c/wai-curricula/labels/Screen%20reader%20bias
14:52:12 <Daniel> zakim, agenda_
14:52:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda_', Daniel
14:52:30 <Daniel> zakim, agenda?
14:52:30 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
14:52:31 <Zakim> 1. Clarifying scope of this curriculum with respect to future curricula. [from Daniel]
14:52:31 <Zakim> 2. Reorganizing the structure of the curricula [from Daniel]
14:52:31 <Zakim> 3. Screen reader bias [from Daniel]
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15:04:55 <Howard> what
15:05:03 <Howard> what's the password for zoom?
15:18:23 <Howard> scribe: Howard
15:19:02 <Daniel> zakim, take up next
15:19:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Clarifying scope of this curriculum with respect to future curricula." taken up [from Daniel]
15:20:07 <Howard> Zakim, take up next
15:20:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Reorganizing the structure of the curricula" taken up [from Daniel]
15:21:01 <Daniel> zakim, take up item 1
15:21:01 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Clarifying scope of this curriculum with respect to future curricula." taken up [from Daniel]
15:26:12 <Daniel> https://github.com/w3c/wai-curricula/labels/Clarifying%20scope%20of%20different%20curricula
15:27:21 <Howard> Daniel: question of whether we should include writing of alt text, form styles, color contrast...
15:27:29 <Daniel> https://deploy-preview-232--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/#introduction
15:28:27 <Howard> Daniel proposes we add a clarifying statement that this curriculum will address that in later curricula but for this one - developer's - we are mostly
15:28:37 <Howard> interested in coding.
15:29:50 <Howard> David: would be helpful to signpost who else on the team would be responsible for ...
15:30:13 <Howard> other success criteria. Is there a way to signpost who is responsible ...
15:30:20 <Howard> for various areas?
15:30:55 <Howard> Daniel: Will tweak the sentence to convey that techniques shown here ...
15:31:28 <Howard> are only a part of the complete toolbox and other people ...
15:32:00 <Howard> are responsible for other areas.
15:32:44 <Howard> Carlos: where else will this signpost be placed? Just on the entry page? Probably best to have it...
15:32:49 <Howard> in various places.
15:33:23 <Howard> Daniel: thought of making it available in the teaching ideas also.
15:33:45 <Howard> Carlos: in agreement. Won't just be in the overview page.
15:35:42 <Howard> Howard: might be nice to have a link to other curricula areas that contain ...
15:35:57 <Howard> topics outside of scope of this curriculum.
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15:38:29 <Howard> Shadi: thinks that for overview page, one brief sentence - add a sentence to what ...
15:39:04 <Howard> we already have: "Other curricular address topics for other areas." Then link to the meta pages.
15:39:42 <Howard> Third piece: don't get too much into "don't forget this, don't forget that."
15:40:22 <Howard> Be conservative with adding to many references to other success criteria placed inline.
15:41:10 <Howard> David: likes that idea. Don't want to complicate things. Balance that there are ...
15:41:19 <Howard> other things besides markup and coding that need to ...
15:41:37 <Howard> be addressed, letting them know that other members of the ...
15:41:49 <Howard> team should address this but still want them to be aware of these issues.
15:42:28 <Howard> Shadi: Looking at intro - getting started with accessibility. Have something on ...
15:42:44 <Howard> getting started with accessibility.
15:43:28 <Howard> Maybe refer back to "roles and responsibilities" back in intro module ...
15:43:47 <Howard> Good to have developers understand these other roles.
15:44:23 <Howard> Daniel: will look at these suggestions and see how it ...
15:44:31 <Howard> can be addressed and worded.
15:45:23 <Howard> Will try to be more concise to avoid resource being to large.
15:46:41 <Howard> Howard: would it be helpful to have a section that refers to other areas related ...
15:46:57 <Howard> to this module topic that would be covered by other roles.
15:47:26 <Howard> Shadi: likes the idea but cautions against doing it too much - i.e. a nudge about ...
15:47:53 <Howard> alt text. Once concern we often get is that it's too wordy ...
15:48:11 <Howard> and too many cross links. Some people like this but others ...
15:48:36 <Howard> find it a challenge. Suggests conservatism in the cross links, cross references.
15:49:03 <Howard> Carlos: target audience - instructors who create accessibility courses?
15:49:15 <Howard> Daniel: correct.
15:49:51 <Howard> Carlos: with that in mind, would not work too hard on addressing ...
15:50:08 <Howard> areas that need to be covered by other roles. Would expect ...
15:51:58 <Howard> to be accepting of this approach.
15:52:21 <Howard> Daniel: will come up with examples of how to address this.
15:52:35 <Howard> zakim, take up next
15:52:35 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Reorganizing the structure of the curricula" taken up [from Daniel]
15:52:49 <Daniel> https://github.com/w3c/wai-curricula/labels/Reorganizing%20the%20structure%20of%20the%20curricula
15:53:31 <Howard> Daniel: been comments that certain topics do not fit well where they ...
15:54:03 <Howard> are now located. For example, topic of focus, image types, etc., should be mixed ...
15:54:13 <Howard> together with other topics.
15:54:17 <Daniel> https://deploy-preview-232--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/#modules-in-this-curriculum
15:55:50 <Howard> Daniel: in this updated structure, would add navigation to "structure and semantics."
15:56:58 <Howard> In "menus and submenus," would have single level and multilevel menus...
15:57:31 <Howard> and then "additional level for menus." (See above links for more info on this reorganization).
15:59:34 <Howard> David: for topic 2, suggests having navigation and other menus.
16:00:01 <Howard> Carlos: feels more structured by bringing navigation to structure and semantics.
16:00:14 <Howard> However, meta information could use reference to what ...
16:00:23 <Howard> meta information we are talking about.
16:00:53 <Howard> Also, really miss the types of images as a topic for 3rd module.
16:01:09 <Howard> Needs topic on the types of images.
16:03:29 <Howard> Shadi: agree with what David said. Wonder if meta data can be merged with navigation menus.
16:03:51 <Howard> Shadi: types of images are there but merged under simple images.
16:04:10 <Howard> Maybe "simple images" should be renamed to indicate it includes types of images.
16:04:36 <Howard> But does agree that this does look much more streamlined. Forms content needs to be clarified.
16:05:51 <Howard> Carlos: meta topics move to navigation and orientation proposed by Shadi, he would agree.
16:06:25 <Howard> Regarding types of images, not aware that there are images that ...
16:06:40 <Howard> don't have a functional or informational purpose. Important to ...
16:06:49 <Howard> make clear that there are different types of images.
16:08:28 <Howard> Carlos: same image can have different roles and therefore would need ...
16:08:40 <Howard> a different alt element.
16:10:16 <Howard> David: re: menus and submenus - mechanics of implementing links does ...
16:10:42 <Howard> not seem to be covered. For example, using a link vs. a button. In the real world...
16:10:49 <Howard> this gets confused...
16:11:06 <Howard> Module 2 could talk about links and menus of links.
16:11:14 <Howard> Shadi: would it fit under forms?
16:11:34 <Howard> David: buttons would fit under forms but there are questions ...
16:11:50 <Howard> regarding buttons and anchor links that come up in navigation ...
16:12:07 <Howard> that could be addressed in second module.
16:13:06 <Howard> Shadi: see often, divs and spans made into links. Like idea of addressing ...
16:13:28 <Howard> links vs. buttons. But might fit better in forms.
16:13:58 <Howard> Shadi: @ David, do people really use buttons for navigation?
16:14:27 <Howard> David: yes, for example, pagination links. Introducing the fact ...
16:14:46 <Howard> that this is not necessarily straight-forward might be helpful.
16:15:04 <Howard> Comes up in audits he conducts.
16:15:50 <Howard> Daniel: will be sending follow-up emails and putting these issues ...
16:15:54 <Howard> in GitHub.
16:16:21 <Howard> Will be meeting next week.
16:17:01 <Howard> rrsaagent, draft minutes
16:17:16 <Daniel> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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16:41:16 <Daniel> rrsagent, make minutes v2
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16:42:04 <Daniel> -me present¿ Howard, Carlos, David, Shadi, Daniel
16:42:56 <Daniel> s/-me present¿ Howard, Carlos, David, Shadi, Daniel//
16:43:07 <Daniel> present+ Howard, Shadi, Carlos, David, Daniel
16:43:12 <Daniel> regrets+ Stella, Donal
16:43:19 <Daniel> rrsagent, make minutes v2
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