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20:03:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
20:03:23 <trackbot> Date: 23 June 2020
20:03:31 <plh> Angeda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.06.23
20:03:44 <plh> s/Angeda/Angenda/
20:03:55 <plh> s/Angenda/Agenda/
20:04:08 <kcoyle> present+
20:04:11 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2020/06/09-dxwg-minutes
20:04:21 <plh> Topic: Approving last meeting minutes
20:04:23 <annette_g> present+
20:04:32 <AndreaPerego> present+
20:04:39 <kcoyle> +1
20:04:41 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:04:45 <Caroline_> +1
20:04:53 <ncar> +1
20:05:02 <annette_g> +1
20:05:12 <plh> Caroline: minutes approved
20:05:20 <plh> +0 (wasn't there)
20:05:49 <plh> Caroline: one item: Code of Ethics and Conduct of W3C (CEPC)
20:05:55 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:07:03 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2020/05/CEPC
20:07:09 <plh> --> https://www.w3.org/2020/05/CEPC New CEPC
20:07:14 <annette_g> There is a call for review until 6/26 for the AC
20:07:23 <plh> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/
20:08:21 <plh> Caroline: its' much better than the old one
20:09:08 <plh> ... Plh: review until June 26
20:09:14 <plh> Plh: review until June 26
20:10:08 <plh> Topic: Conneg
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20:10:26 <plh> --> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues Conneg Open issues
20:10:40 <plh> Nick: nothing really happening. Still waiting on IETF
20:10:55 <plh> ... more implementation
20:11:15 <plh> ... blocker is the IETF related document. one small change requested.
20:11:23 <plh> ... it seems that process takes a long time
20:11:33 <plh> ... we're waiting on a note from the IETF
20:12:24 <plh> ... so we can start the finalization after they're done
20:12:36 <plh> Plh: let me know if you need us to poke IETF
20:13:41 <plh> Topic: PROF
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20:13:54 <plh> --> https://github.com/w3c/dx-prof/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue PROF Open issues
20:14:26 <plh> Nick: waiting on Rob to finish his implementation. will talk to him this week.
20:14:39 <plh> ... that will be the last implementation that needs to be updated
20:14:56 <plh> ... there is a need for further discussion about the roles represented in the document
20:15:06 <plh> ... working on sketching out questions
20:15:28 <plh> ... we have an other impl (not independent though)
20:15:44 <plh> ... [breaking out]
20:16:10 <plh> ... hoping we can discuss those roles in a couple of weeks
20:16:21 <plh> ... status of roles in the document and wg suggestions for them
20:16:48 <ncar> The new Geoscience Australia's vocabulary profile in PROF: https://linked.data.gov.au/def/ga-skos
20:17:13 <kcoyle> q+
20:17:13 <Caroline_> q?
20:17:17 <plh> Regrets+ Peter
20:17:20 <plh> ack kc
20:17:22 <Caroline_> ack kcoyle
20:17:27 <ncar> The roles to discuss are really "specification", "validation" & "constraints" and those related to conformance testing.
20:17:39 <plh> Karen: will there be more work on open issues or is it considered complete besides adding roles?
20:18:09 <plh> Nick: finalization impl report, then we'll call for a series of meeting again to go through issues/future use cases
20:18:18 <plh> ... the roles is an important one
20:18:29 <plh> ... don't know how may meetings we would have to do this but we'll see
20:18:31 <plh> ... it's open
20:22:16 <plh> Plh: for shortname change, ask me to publish a new WD
20:23:16 <plh> [ https://www.w3.org/TR/dx-prof-conneg/ -> https://www.w3.org/TR/dx-conneg/ ]
20:23:18 <kcoyle> q+
20:23:24 <Caroline_> ack kcoyle
20:23:24 <plh> ack kc
20:23:57 <plh> Karen: somebody needs to do a triage and do some kind of rankings on which ones we should look at
20:24:06 <plh> ... someone needs to create the mental path
20:24:18 <plh> ... put ones in order of dependencies as well
20:24:27 <plh> ... and suggest some that won't be addressed
20:24:51 <plh> Caroline: +1 as a good start. we have some open issues and decide which way we're going
20:24:59 <Caroline_> q?
20:25:01 <plh> ... other comments?
20:25:23 <plh> ... any volunteer to do the triage?
20:25:49 <plh> Karen: not sure if I can do it because I don't know the current direction of the editors. needs to hear from them
20:26:06 <plh> ... it's possible one of us can help summarize some of the issues but we need the editors
20:26:06 <ncar> q+
20:26:19 <plh> ... if the editors feel the doc is complete, they should say so
20:26:33 <plh> ... I see it as an open plan :)_
20:26:39 <plh> ack ncar
20:26:41 <Caroline_> ack ncar
20:27:26 <plh> Nic: can't summon my fellow editors easily. once we get the response from IETF on connegp and PROF impl report are out, both groups can meet and triage
20:27:44 <plh> ... we'll agree to do that as first action of business but we shouldn't rush
20:28:23 <plh> ... for both of those things we have a known action, once done, we'll need to run meetings. so +1 to Karen's suggestion.
20:28:30 <plh> ... and will be the topic of the first meeting
20:28:58 <plh> ... we know that all of the artifacts for PROF will be in place
20:29:25 <plh> Caroline: what's the ETA for PROF?
20:29:42 <plh> Nic: Rob said that his implementation was nowish. I'll give him a call.
20:29:51 <plh> ... if he did, it's just writing the impl report
20:30:05 <plh> ... and OGC conference was last week and Rob was demonstrating there
20:30:14 <plh> ... I'll talk to him today
20:30:23 <plh> ... but he probably done everything
20:30:41 <plh> ... because it's an SDO, he might need their sign-off
20:30:53 <plh> s/an SDO/an other SDO/
20:31:24 <plh> ... we should have the impl report finished by next week hopefully
20:31:34 <plh> ... it's 30 minutes work if he is allowed to do it
20:31:46 <Caroline_> q?
20:32:01 <plh> Topic: DCAT v3
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20:32:07 <AndreaPerego> DCAT sugroup summary: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2020Jun/0038.html
20:32:42 <plh> AndreaPerego: the subgroup focuses on issues of versioning
20:32:54 <plh> ... we took some work and decisions about those issues
20:33:07 <plh> ... some discussion on general approach
20:34:38 <plh> ... whether we should provide basic support and points folks to vocabularies. plan is to have a plenary meeting with everyone involved. next meeting (next week) will address other issues
20:34:50 <Caroline_> q?
20:35:32 <plh> Caroline: next topic will be about relational database?
20:35:35 <ncar> q+
20:35:45 <plh> AndreaPerego: yes, but related to a more general issue
20:36:03 <plh> AndreaPerego: this is an issue raised while collecting use cases
20:36:29 <plh> ... related to the scenario with a dataset accessible through a data service
20:36:57 <plh> ... when you have a dataset, points to an API, which serves more than the dataset
20:37:13 <plh> ... ie giving information on how to get out only the relevant subset
20:37:28 <plh> ... during the work on DCAT 2, we didn't make progress
20:37:38 <annette_g> q+
20:37:47 <plh> ... whether it's within the scope or related to service descriptions
20:38:04 <plh> ... more recenlty, we received 3 issues related to this
20:38:16 <plh> ... so another topic for DCAT v3 but yet to start
20:38:31 <plh> ... "
20:38:31 <plh> How to catalog a relational database" is related
20:39:15 <plh> ... whether we should address specific use cases like this one. other use cases are about accessing data outside of the Web (JDBC, etc.)
20:39:24 <plh> ack nc
20:39:25 <Caroline_> ack ncar
20:40:10 <plh> ncar: in several of these meetings, we could get a C-CAN (sp?) implementation.
20:40:26 <plh> ... hoping we'll be able to issue a DCAT 2 handling from C-CAN
20:40:38 <plh> ... once we've done that, upgrading to DCAT v3 will be easy
20:41:00 <plh> ... the C-CAN is very keen to maintain compat with DCAT
20:41:08 <annette_g> CKAN
20:41:16 <plh> s/C-CAN/CKAN/g
20:41:23 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
20:42:03 <plh> annette_g: do you want feedback now or next week?
20:42:19 <plh> annette_g: my thoughts is that DCAT is intended to be a Web standard
20:42:27 <plh> ... since it's developed at W3C and its history
20:42:34 <plh> ... so we go through Web APIs.
20:42:48 <plh> ... since DBs can have different ways to model themselves (graphs, etc.)
20:43:02 <plh> ... we'trying to make a standard which is independent from the underlying DB
20:43:15 <plh> ... as tech advances, we would bridge the gap
20:44:04 <plh> AndreaPerego: I tend to agree that we need to cater to the Web, and not DB-specific protocols
20:44:11 <ncar> q+
20:44:14 <plh> ... we shouldn't prevent their use however
20:44:28 <plh> q?
20:44:32 <Caroline_> ack ncar
20:44:32 <plh> ack ncar
20:45:12 <plh> ncar: sounds like extension work to DCAT indeed. I have my own requirements for extensions elsewhere. but where would they put those extensions?
20:45:27 <plh> AndreaPerego: no need to produce in W3C space
20:45:33 <plh> ... they can do their own extension
20:45:34 <plh> q+
20:45:47 <plh> AndreaPerego: and indicate where it's useful
20:46:04 <plh> ... they could start with a CG at W3C if needed
20:46:34 <plh> ... in any case, it should start outside, unless there is clear evidence that we may need to produce such extension
20:46:56 <plh> ncar: not disagreeing but how would they inform others?
20:47:25 <plh> ... my interest is to use DCAT for catalogs but other orgs will look at a profile of DCAT
20:47:48 <plh> ... but for folks coming to W3C / DCAT would need a way to discover things
20:47:51 <annette_g> q+
20:47:54 <plh> ... maybe the CG can be used
20:48:03 <Caroline_> ack plh
20:48:04 <plh> ack plh
20:48:29 <Caroline_> plh: depending on the use cases
20:48:39 <Caroline_> ... we can go to registered extensions
20:48:56 <Caroline_> ... a WG note can be updated as needed
20:49:05 <Caroline_> ... that would be a easy official way to do it
20:49:30 <Caroline_> ... if tehre is no official need, we don't need to manage two extensions for the same protocols, then a wikipage would be enough
20:49:54 <Caroline_> ... it is lighter but less official
20:50:15 <ncar> q+
20:50:16 <Caroline_> ... we can have a page on github for that
20:50:20 <Caroline_> q?
20:50:27 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
20:50:29 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:50:54 <plh> annette_g: with regards to having a CG, that seems odd
20:52:03 <plh> ... if they don't work on a web standard
20:54:02 <Caroline_> ack ncar
20:54:03 <ncar> Regarding the listing of profiles: I volunteer myself to communicate some profiles to DXWG/CG as the process for notifications of profiles is established. I expect to indicate some DCAT profile for cataloguing vocabularies and also specifications.
20:54:07 <plh> plh: we have plenty of CGs, working on plenty of items. pretty cheap to create.
20:54:37 <plh> ncar: I'll communicate some profiles to the Group
20:54:52 <plh> ... I'll prod the group and will follow suggestions
20:54:56 <Caroline_> ack AndreaPerego
20:55:31 <plh> https://www.w3.org/TR/?title=registry
20:55:40 <Caroline_> plh: there are plnety of examples
20:55:59 <Caroline_> ... on the link above those are notes or working drafts
20:56:18 <Caroline_> ... ttlm is a spec for television capture
20:57:01 <plh> https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/NOTE-ttml-profile-registry-20190411/#registry-profile-designator-specifications
20:57:19 <Caroline_> phl: the link above show the specifications
20:57:34 <Caroline_> ... there are mapings as well
20:57:43 <Caroline_> ... and other non web protocols
20:57:44 <plh> https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/NOTE-trace-context-protocols-registry-20191119/#registry
20:57:55 <Caroline_> q?
20:58:15 <plh> Topic: AOB
20:58:21 <plh> [none heard]
20:58:26 <plh> [adjourned]
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