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15:04:34 <dka_> Leonie: intros...
15:04:48 <dka_> [we go around the call and do intros]
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15:07:06 <koalie> Zakim, agenda?
15:07:06 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:07:14 <dka_> Leonie: agenda was high level.. 2 items - one is to talk about this CG making a statment in support of BLM
15:07:15 <koalie> agenda+ statement from this group on BLM
15:07:21 <dka_> ... other was to look at ideas colected so far.
15:07:29 <koalie> agenda+ short list of actions to take forward
15:07:31 <dka_> ... find onese people inetrested in taking forward
15:07:44 <koalie> chair: Léonie_Watson
15:07:45 <chaals> present+
15:07:48 <dka_> ... for those unfamiliar with W3c meeting pracitces, we are using IRC ...
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15:08:38 <dka_> ... The big question - do we want to make a statement as the CG. There has been support on the list. Something to be aware of - we are a CG and we don't represent the w3c as a whole. We have to phrase it very clearly.
15:08:46 <wendyreid> q+
15:08:52 <dka_> ... to be on behalf of this CG and not on behalf of w3c.
15:08:56 <jeff> q+
15:09:11 <koalie> present+ florian_rivoal, annette_greiner, barbara_hochgesang, jeff_jaffe, marisa_demeglio, melanie_richards, wendy_reid, rhian, tess_o'connor, tzviya_siegman, wendy_seltzer
15:09:14 <koalie> ack wen
15:09:19 <Barb_H> Queue question - Statement question
15:09:48 <dka_> WendyR: I think several people have brougt up the topic of a statement. I think it would be lovely but it would not hold the weight we want to communicate. The "diversity" group would implicitly be in favour.
15:10:01 <hober> present+
15:10:03 <dka_> ... but what does it has to say about w3c that it's this CG and not the w3c as a whole...
15:10:33 <dka_> ... I understand that as an international consortium... there may be issues, but as many people have talked about online, silence is not good.
15:10:56 <dka_> ... people will ask their employers in the future - and will ask w3c in the future ... [were they in support of this]
15:11:04 <koalie> q?
15:11:05 <dka_> ... so i think this message should come from the w3c proper.
15:11:06 <dka_> +1
15:11:10 <tzviya> +1 to wendyreid
15:11:11 <koalie> ack j
15:11:43 <jeff> In a time of upheaval, we are proud that our W3C community values include standing against prejudice, racism and discrimination.
15:11:43 <jeff> See our Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct: https://w3.org/Consortium/cepc
15:11:59 <dka_> Jeff: I think wendy raises some good points. But to share information: w3c as an organisation is consrtained. But we did think it's important to make some statement. About 2 weeks aog, coralie helped to put together a tweet.
15:12:27 <Barb_H> q+ Statement question?
15:12:28 <koalie> https://twitter.com/w3c/status/1268558233586880514
15:12:28 <annette_g> q+
15:12:37 <dka_> ... we didn't think the membership empowered us to issue a statement supporting BLM but we did think we could issue a statement against racism and discrimination.
15:12:39 <Judy> present+
15:12:42 <koalie> q+ Barb_H about statement question
15:12:44 <koalie> q?
15:13:05 <wseltzer> q- Statement
15:13:05 <chaals> ack sta
15:13:06 <koalie> q+ Barb_H to ask about  statement question
15:13:09 <chaals> ack que
15:13:13 <chaals> ack ann
15:13:17 <dka_> Annette: I agree with what wendy is saying - having it from a community groups weakens it.
15:13:23 <marisa> q+
15:13:51 <dka_> ... I also want to point out: there are constraints on what we can say. But I do wonder if we could craft something that would get larger approval. If we are able to point to real actions
15:13:55 <jeff> +1 to Annette's suggestion
15:14:05 <koalie> <koalie> +1 to "a matter a fact" makes it difficult for AC to vote against
15:14:09 <tzviya> +1 to annette_g  - make it news, not a policy statement
15:14:09 <dka_> ... that we are taking then it would be a matter of fact. I suggest we craft a statement about wat we are doing.
15:14:11 <wendyreid> +1 to Annette
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15:14:33 <florian> q+
15:14:55 <melanierichards> +1, I like the idea of coming from fact/action
15:14:58 <dka_> ... I think the Tweet [jeff mentions] points at what we have been doing but I think it could be interpereted as "we think we've done" - but I felt like there may be room for thouught or improvement.
15:14:58 <jeff> q+ to comment on "did we say that we are done"?
15:15:00 <dka_> +1
15:15:05 <tzviya> q+ to talk about actions and leading the web to its full potential
15:15:11 <koalie> ack b
15:15:11 <Zakim> Barb_H, you wanted to ask about  statement question
15:15:18 <chaals> [+1 to being publicly clear that we have room for improvement and should acknowledge that. (And then get on with *doing*]
15:16:09 <koalie> present+ Jemma_Ku
15:16:19 <dka_> Barb: high level question: besides the w3c I'm active in IEEE and gracehopper and womenwhocode... and I found those communities have made a much stronger statement than the w3c did. If other orgs can do it, how were they able?
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15:16:46 <koalie> present+ shawn
15:16:55 <dka_> ... happy to share Grace Hopper's statement. Some people on boards of both... other orgs have been able to give stronger statements.
15:16:58 <Jemma> present+ JaeunJemmaKu
15:17:32 <dka_> Leonie: tell me about those orgs? are they single entity orgs? i suspect that might be where the differences lie since w3c has 400+ members...?
15:17:46 <koalie> present+ judy_brewer
15:18:39 <koalie> q?
15:18:46 <dka_> Barb: grace hopper - is a org - it's world wide. IEEE as well. If you benchmark yourself by other orgs do you feel your statement is in line with what other orgs have done.
15:18:50 <wseltzer> q?
15:18:52 <koalie> ack m
15:19:12 <chaals> [IMHO IEEE is the closest of those three to W3C (but that might just reflect my greater familiarity with it)]
15:19:46 <dka_> Marsa: I do agree with annette - why not go for larger approval. I think the w3c should make a statement. A statement from this CG doesn't look good. If we do make a statement then we should suggest specific actions.
15:20:06 <chaals> q+ to talk about moving straight to action, and some thoughts about a statement
15:20:18 <dka_> ... regarding the statement w3c already made, what struck me is that the code of conduct is great for people already at the table but our table is not diverse and we need to improve this table.
15:20:20 <wendyreid> +1 Marisa!
15:20:35 <tzviya> ack fl
15:21:02 <dka_> Florian: I am in agreement with Anette. The tweet was well intended but I would rather say what we can do better rather than talk about what we've done already.
15:21:06 <dka_> ... we haven't done good enough.
15:21:14 <dka_> ... we need to communicate about what we are doing.
15:21:46 <dka_> ... just saying "black lives matter" and not linking it to attempts to self improvement then it would be hipocritcal -
15:22:17 <tzviya> q?
15:22:20 <dka_> ... if we start doing things then it's natural to communicate about what we are doing.
15:22:24 <tzviya> ack Judy
15:22:32 <tzviya> ack jef
15:22:32 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to comment on "did we say that we are done"?
15:22:49 <jeff> https://www.w3.org/blog/2020/06/diversity-and-inclusion-at-w3c-2020-update-future-of-the-w3c-diversity-fund/   We must start, reflecting on our times, by saying clearly that we need to do a lot more to improve our diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) including race, gender and disability. We have a long way to go, and we’d like to start taking steps to correct it.
15:23:02 <dka_> Jeff: I wanted to agree - it would be terrific if we can come up with a proposed statement that we take to the larger org. Some people were concerned that the tweet indicates we're resting on our laurels.
15:23:25 <dka_> .. The blog post i wrote says we have a lot more to do. We havea  long way to go and we want to start taking steps.
15:23:38 <koalie> q?
15:23:38 <tzviya> ack tz
15:23:39 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to talk about actions and leading the web to its full potential
15:23:44 <Judy> q+ to lean towards action; then being able to promote those commitments as a statement of fact; and to looking at everything we're doing, and prioritize some things among those.
15:23:44 <dka_> ... if anyone saw the tween and concluded we think we're done, please point them to the blog pist.
15:24:17 <dka_> tzviya: we need to come up with a unified statement...
15:24:29 <dka_> ... in the past when we've discussed policy we've discussed net neutrality...
15:24:47 <dka_> ... i understand that the AC might balk at this but the discussions of getting involved in politics and polciy statements... and are we
15:25:10 <dka_> ... going to make statements about injustice around the world are legit, but should not stop us from saying something...
15:25:15 <dka_> ... i think we should not be silent.
15:25:23 <tzviya> q?
15:25:24 <dka_> ... i think we should work on a list of actions.
15:25:27 <tzviya> ack chaals
15:25:27 <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to talk about moving straight to action, and some thoughts about a statement
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15:26:23 <annette_g> +1 for action
15:26:29 <tzviya> ack Judy
15:26:29 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to lean towards action; then being able to promote those commitments as a statement of fact; and to looking at everything we're doing, and prioritize some things
15:26:32 <dka_> Chaals: yes. everything florian said. saying some people's lives matter may start discussion about other groups whose lives also matter.
15:26:33 <Zakim> ... among those.
15:26:39 <shawn> present+
15:27:12 <dka_> Judy: a lot of voices talking about action. I think from my perspective we should take this as an opportunity to review - how are we talking about diversity in general.
15:27:45 <chaals> s/everything florian said/I agree with all that Florian said and I suspect with what Judy is about to say/
15:27:48 <tzviya> q?
15:27:57 <Barb_H> Comments - Example from Grace Hopper - Wlorld's largest community in women in computing. The Anita Borg/GHC org held a panel discus on Candid Conversation building Antiracist society.  I attended the session and thought was a positive opportunity for their community to share. https://community.anitab.org/event/anitab-org-presents-a-candid-conversation-building-an-antiracist-society/
15:28:03 <dka_> ... how can we address racial injustice?  Let's get more people at the table. I hope we come up with an aciton plan incuding outreach, recruitment, engagement... intersectional. ..
15:28:23 <chaals> s/among those/those discussions could take up a lot of time and distract us from actually doing things that we could of course report immediately/
15:28:25 <dka_> ... jeff the diversity blog was well timed. If it's possible to do this as a front page news item it would be better.
15:28:30 <dka_> +1
15:28:39 <dka_> q+
15:29:23 <dka_> Leonie: what seems to be emerging is that we should craft a statement in support of BLM and diversity in geenral and for that statement to include a list of actions we are taking to change things and to share that with the AC.
15:29:35 <dka_> ... asking for support.
15:29:38 <Judy> q+
15:29:39 <tzviya> ack dk
15:29:51 <tzviya> q+ dka_
15:29:54 <dka_> Judy: I think that sounded good.
15:30:24 <dka_> ... usually AC review of w3c statements takes weeks. there is a timliness issue. perhaps ab members could make a suggestion of how to expedite things?
15:30:31 <florian> q+
15:30:31 <tink> eProposal: We will craft a statement in support of BLM specifically and diversity in general. The statement will include the actions we are taking in support of our statement. We will share this with the AC and ask for their consent to publish it on behalf of the W3C.
15:30:37 <tzviya> ack Judy
15:30:47 <wseltzer> s/eProposal/PROPOSED/
15:30:48 <dka_> +1
15:30:50 <tzviya> +1
15:30:51 <wendyreid> +1
15:30:52 <annette_g> +1
15:30:52 <koalie> <koalie> +1
15:30:53 <chaals> [As one AB member I think you'll have a hard time getting done in less than 4 weeks while keeping to our agreed processes]
15:30:55 <Barb_H> +1
15:30:56 <hober> +1
15:31:21 <melanierichards> +1
15:31:22 <marisa> +1
15:31:23 <wseltzer> +1
15:31:25 <florian> q-
15:31:26 <Judy> +1
15:31:27 <tink> +1
15:31:37 <Judy> q-
15:31:38 <Rhian> +1
15:31:54 <koalie> [13 +1, no zeros, no 01]
15:32:12 <shawn> s/no 01/no -1
15:32:20 <Jemma> +1
15:32:20 <koalie> s/no 01/no -1/
15:32:25 <chaals> [+1 to looking at process issues separately]
15:32:31 <dka_> [discussion that the process discussion should be taken out fo the meeting]
15:32:31 <koalie> s/13/14/
15:32:34 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Ideas-for-ID-CG-actions
15:32:36 <koalie> q?
15:33:22 <dka_> Leonie: if we can come out of this with a small number of concrete actions ...
15:33:30 <dka_> ... some of these will take more effort to achieve.
15:33:37 <koalie> s/no -1/no -1; there are 18 participants at the time of the poll]
15:33:52 <tzviya> ack dka_
15:33:56 <koalie> scribe+
15:33:57 <koalie> ack d
15:34:06 <koalie> Dan: I was going to add one thing
15:34:14 <koalie> ... punctuate the issue a bit
15:34:27 <Barb_H> +q Add / clarify - Out reach
15:34:31 <koalie> ... I feel this is an existential problem at W3C
15:34:56 <koalie> ... I've brought people of colour at W3C who were appalled by the diversity
15:35:01 <marisa> q+
15:35:12 <wendyreid> q+
15:35:17 <koalie> ... it's indicative to have a discussion about black lives matter and have no black on the call
15:35:19 <tzviya> +1000 to dka_
15:35:20 <wseltzer> queue=Barb_H, marisa, wendyreid
15:35:25 <wendyreid> +1000
15:35:29 <tzviya> q?
15:35:34 <koalie> q+ Barb_H to ask about outreach
15:35:46 <tzviya> q+ to talk about recruitment and treatment of members
15:35:51 <koalie> Dan: to that point, one thing I added to the list and feel strongly about
15:36:04 <koalie> ... is the idea of not just supporting IEs to do work
15:36:17 <koalie> ... but try to actively paying people from marginalized groups
15:36:27 <koalie> ... to do the engineering work that groups requires
15:36:29 <koalie> ... not just WGs
15:36:33 <koalie> ... CGs as well
15:36:41 <Judy> q+
15:36:45 <koalie> ... I feel that the discussion about IEs misses the point
15:36:51 <florian> q+ to respond to dan about IE
15:37:08 <koalie> ... we should try to seed the community to be more diverse
15:37:26 <koalie> ... so next time we're trying to discuss this, we're not a bunch of white people talking about black lives matter
15:37:31 <Judy> q+ to reflect on how we evaluate different potential actions, and to add one about partnering with some organizations to accelerate our work in some ways
15:38:01 <wendyreid> +1
15:38:02 <koalie> scribe-
15:38:10 <dka_> scribe+
15:38:18 <hober> +1
15:38:19 <tzviya> ack Barb_H
15:38:19 <Zakim> Barb_H, you wanted to ask about outreach
15:39:11 <dka_> Barb: i want to agree with dan on a high level - coming from my experience, i participate in university programs to improve diversity - there is a pipeline - how do we get recruits, how do we make them feel welcome...
15:39:21 <dka_> ... and how do we promote them to leadership.
15:39:38 <dka_> ... how to improve recruitment, how to improve their experience...
15:39:54 <chaals> [+1 to work out how to get people into W3C, *and* to set them up for success (paying people is a valid approach to that)]
15:40:23 <dka_> ... 2nd point: external outreach (e.g. Grace Hopper) largest women in computing community out there- bringing women into open source. we could go to grace hopper to advocate participation in w3c.
15:40:31 <dka_> ... could take that to multiple organisations.
15:41:18 <dka_> ... Also outreach within - holding panel discussion at TPAC on this where we listen to people - listen to the w3c community.
15:41:44 <dka_> ... do some outreach to w3c community as well. outreach and pipeline is critical.
15:41:48 <wseltzer> q+
15:42:00 <tzviya> ack ma
15:42:24 <dka_> Marisa: so going back to where we started the ideas on the wiki list. I like the idea of a [?] review board.
15:42:30 <marisa> https://www.w3.org/2020/06/machine-learning-workshop/
15:42:49 <tzviya> +1
15:42:52 <dka_> ... looking at an upcoming workshop. A lot of talks about javascript but no discussion of algorithm bias.
15:42:56 <tzviya> q?
15:43:11 <jeff> q+ to actualize Barbara's suggestions about Hopper and the next AC meeting
15:43:13 <dka_> ... we should suggets that they reopen their cfp.
15:43:16 <chaals> [+1 to having clear discussions on these questions as part of W3C]
15:43:23 <tzviya> ack wendyreid
15:43:27 <dka_> Judy: that is in progress.
15:43:35 <chaals> s/these questions/questions of how are we doing and how do we do better
15:43:55 <Judy> [JB: the ML workshop call for proposals is still open; they are aware of AI bias issues; they have made invitations on that.]
15:44:05 <dka_> Wendy: 100% agree with Dan - i've added the stuff about expanding the invited experts to provide more funding for the incidentals of attendence - webcam, microphone, bandwidth charges...
15:44:06 <shawn> +1 for supporting Internet access
15:44:12 <dka_> ... the other thing is child and elder care.
15:44:27 <dka_> ... single parents, eldery parents in their homes.
15:45:05 <shawn> s/ supporting Internet access/ supporting Internet access along with equipment
15:45:26 <dka_> ... I also agree that I would like to pay people for their participation - e.g. freelancers or part time employees. can be a drain on resources. Part of the idea of sponsorship - I'd love to see more junior people coming to w3c meetings, f2f, tpac, etc...
15:45:59 <dka_> ... people [junior] might not know that w3c is there and might not think they belong there.
15:46:18 <hober> q+
15:46:33 <dka_> ... how do we make it safe for people to take those chances. Some junior employees might be interested but might have not done it.
15:46:39 <Barb_H> Comment - AI/ML - MIT Lab  https://www.hrwfilmfestivalstream.org/film/coded-bias/ - When MIT Media Lab researcher Joy Buolamwini discovers that most facial-recognition software misidentifies women and darker-skinned faces, as a woman of color working in a field dominated by white males, she is compelled to investigate further.
15:47:03 <dka_> ... i also participate in canadian women in computing conferences - 200 women engineers working n software - all eager to get into careers and don't know about standards.
15:47:07 <dka_> +1
15:47:43 <tzviya> zakim, close the queue
15:47:43 <Zakim> ok, tzviya, the speaker queue is closed
15:47:57 <dka_> Tzviya: many great suggestions. we're all pretty much in agreement. volunteering for specific items. i am the co-chair of the group working on the cepc. Makes things more comfortable. I will volunteer for the
15:48:16 <dka_> ... item about making things more comfortable. People join a working group and get scared off.
15:48:33 <dka_> +1 - based on personal experience of sending a new person into a wg.
15:49:11 <dka_> Tzviya: it can be overwhelming. i've seen one black person at tpac .. ever. it's unfomfortable.
15:49:20 <dka_> ... it's an unpleasant experience.
15:49:35 <tzviya> q?
15:49:37 <dka_> ... we have to figure out ways to make things more comfortable and more welcoming at w3c.
15:49:39 <tzviya> ack me
15:49:39 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to talk about recruitment and treatment of members
15:49:41 <tzviya> ack Judy
15:49:41 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to reflect on how we evaluate different potential actions, and to add one about partnering with some organizations to accelerate our work in some ways
15:49:42 <jeff> ack tz
15:50:20 <dka_> Judy: so one reason I put a diverse list of actions - aything on the list has shortcomings .. most of these are necessary to pursue..
15:50:46 <dka_> ... I thnk we're missing something - partnering with organisations that are working in racial justice in computing.
15:50:56 <dka_> ... I'd be happy to help.
15:51:17 <dka_> ... see if we can agree on which ones to do.
15:52:06 <dka_> ... by the way the ML need for AI bias got picked up by horizontal review. so sometimes a HR can pick these up. We could need an equity review board. or a DEI board.
15:52:07 <wendyreid> ack florian
15:52:07 <Zakim> florian, you wanted to respond to dan about IE
15:52:15 <annette_g> q+
15:52:33 <dka_> Florian: I'm an IE. I have paid other invited experts. I should be able to contribute to it.
15:53:16 <Judy> q+
15:53:17 <wendyreid> ack wseltzer
15:53:35 <dka_> ... among the problems we have is the entrance to the community - we should have a look - even though we have w3c in the US we have [few black people as staff.]
15:53:56 <wendyreid> s/black/Black/
15:53:58 <dka_> Wendy: some of these things have lots of procedural steps - others can be actioned right away. I
15:54:30 <wendyreid> ack jeff
15:54:30 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to actualize Barbara's suggestions about Hopper and the next AC meeting
15:54:34 <dka_> ... am interested in working on some of these issues in the team. I like the equity review board idea. I can help move work through procedural issues.
15:54:36 <Judy> [JB: Pushes back to Florian on "we can't control who the Members send" which is what W3C told itself for year about women's participation -- and yet, when we started to encourage Members to think about diversity when encouraging participation in W3C, it had a major impact.]
15:54:36 <dka_> q+
15:54:52 <shawn> [ Shawn also volunteers for Helping people feel welcome ]
15:55:28 <tink> zakim, close the queue
15:55:28 <Zakim> ok, tink, the speaker queue is closed
15:55:48 <dka_> Jeff: I'm willing to sign up. we need to get out of this meeting some agreement. 2 of barb's suggestions would be easy to do - approach Grace Hopper... also put a spot light at this at the AC meeting - I'm willing to make a committment that we put inclusion & diversity at w3c on the agenda.
15:55:51 <wendyreid> ack hober
15:56:08 <Barb_H> Comment - GHC - Happy to help I was part of the Open Source Sub Commitee and know how the sessions and selection process work
15:56:36 <florian> JB: sorry, I was too quick. We can, and should, encourage members, to send more diverse participants. I fully support doing that. I just mean that we have more control than mere encouragement over our own recruitment.
15:56:45 <dka_> tess: volunteering to work making things more welcoming - as often the only trans person in the room i feel less welcome sometimes - i want to help witht hat- i think a ERB is a good idea.
15:57:10 <koalie> s/JB: sorry,/JB, sorry,/
15:57:23 <chaals> [I am interested in working alongside Florian on getting money for people to enable participation. I'm also still trying to figure out how to do the "more welcoming thing" in practice]
15:57:24 <dka_> ... idea from left field: one thing we've heard on this call - each of us outside this, we hear "it's a member consortium so the members send who they send' i think we can do a lot here.
15:57:51 <annette_g> comment on GHC - there is a long history of black racial equity taking a back seat to the women's movement, hence there is sensitivity in the BLM movement to that. I would not support adding presence at GHC as a response to this issue, though I think it is a good idea on its own merits.
15:58:01 <koalie> [We can't get that data, because we're not tracking it, hober]
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15:58:07 <tink> q?
15:58:19 <dka_> ... Jeff sends the diversity report- charts & graphs - but what is missing is charts and graphs of people in working groups. So it might be challenging to gather the demographic info to make a report like that but I think it would be worth explorting.
15:58:27 <koalie> [the data we compile every year is compiled manually]
15:58:51 <dka_> ... maybe more agressively: sending an annual report to member companies highligting the (non) diversity of the participants they send.
15:59:06 <dka_> ... maybe naming and shaming would encourage people to do something.
15:59:19 <koalie> scribe+
15:59:27 <koalie> Dan: Happy to work with Florian
15:59:31 <koalie> ... +1 to equity board
15:59:38 <koalie> scribe-
15:59:46 <Barb_H> Happy to Outreach program
15:59:52 <jeff> +1 to a regular meeting
15:59:56 <Judy_> +1 to Annette's clarification wrt the GHC conference partnering; one has to be aware of the history, and increasing participation there isn't the same as directly acting on BLM issues.
15:59:57 <dka_> Dan: support what tess said, volunteering for help with IEs, support ERB
15:59:58 <wendyreid> +1
16:00:00 <annette_g> +1 to equity board as well
16:00:12 <dka_> Leonie: can we make this a meeting every month? more frequently?
16:00:16 <koalie> Topic: recurring meetings of the IDCG
16:00:16 <dka_> Jeff: more frequently.
16:00:26 <Jemma> +1 for monthly meeting
16:00:30 <dka_> Judy: i propose at least every other week for first 2 months.
16:00:43 <dka_> Leonie: let's put it in as a regular weekly meeting.
16:00:45 <wendyreid> +1 weekly
16:00:47 <chaals> [every other week sounds OK…]
16:00:49 <koalie> <koalie> +1 to weekly
16:00:50 <shawn> +1 for frequent meetings until we get things going
16:00:50 <dka_> Dan: i support at least doing this next week.
16:00:52 <annette_g> +1 weekly
16:00:55 <Rhian> +1
16:01:04 <chaals> [thanks dka for scribing]
16:01:09 <dka_> Leonie: thanks everyone for coming along. Thanks to wendy for your email.
16:01:11 <koalie> thanks wendyreid for kick starting us
16:01:15 <koalie> thanks tink
16:01:19 <koalie> and thanks dka_
16:01:24 <koalie> I'll clean up the minutes
16:01:31 <florian> every other week seems good, especially if it can stay in sync with AB schedule, so that it falls on the same night (it is a night meeting)
16:01:36 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
16:01:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
16:01:59 <koalie> bye all!
16:02:03 <Jemma> rrsagent, make log public
16:02:03 <wseltzer> s/Leonie/Léonie/G
16:02:08 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/18-idcg-minutes.html wseltzer
16:03:13 <koalie> i|Leonie: agenda was|Topic: CG statement in support of Black Lives Matter?|
16:03:21 <koalie> Zakim, agenda?
16:03:21 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
16:03:23 <Zakim> 1. statement from this group on BLM [from koalie]
16:03:23 <Zakim> 2. short list of actions to take forward [from koalie]
16:03:50 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:03:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/18-idcg-minutes.html wseltzer
16:04:21 <koalie> i|<tink> https|Topic: Short list of actions to take forward|
16:04:23 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
16:04:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
16:04:31 <chaals> Meeting: Iclusion and Diversity CG
16:04:52 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
16:04:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
16:05:10 <chaals> s/Iclu/Inclu
16:06:26 <koalie> s|<dka_> +1|<dka_> <dka_> +1|G
16:06:28 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
16:06:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
16:07:27 <koalie> i|Léonie: agenda was|Topic: CG statement in support of Black Lives Matter?|
16:07:38 <koalie> i|Léonie: if we can come out |Topic: Short list of actions to take forward|
16:07:39 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
16:07:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
16:08:03 <koalie> RRSAgent, bye
16:08:03 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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17:01:46 <chaals> present- Dan Appelquist
17:01:51 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:01:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/18-idcg-minutes.html chaals
17:04:58 <chaals> s/other groups whose lives also matter/other groups whose lives also matter and I would hate that to end up distracting us from action that makes real improvements/
17:07:06 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:07:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/18-idcg-minutes.html chaals
17:07:11 <koalie> wait
17:07:26 <koalie> chaals, I manually edited those already
17:07:31 <koalie> this is going to wipe everything
17:08:15 <koalie> or not, maybe there's a lock after manual edit
17:08:17 <koalie> \o/
17:10:06 <koalie> chaals, reload. I made your change locally and committed it.
17:12:02 <chaals> oh. /me slaps chaals
17:12:10 <chaals> But is glad he didn'
17:12:18 <chaals> t accidentally break stuff after all.
17:12:45 <chaals> (I don't need to reload, I trust you)
17:15:18 <chaals> But I did anyway so I can tell you that yes, my trust in you is validated by reality (as always)
17:15:38 <chaals> thanks koalie
17:15:43 <chaals> rrsagent, bye
17:15:52 <chaals> ;(
17:15:56 <koalie> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:15:58 <koalie> RRSAgent, bye
17:15:58 <RRSAgent> I see no action items