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15:47:27 <johanneswilm> johanneswilm has changed the topic to: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-editing-tf/2020Jun/0000.html
16:05:28 <BoCupp> agenda+ https://github.com/w3c/editing/pull/262
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16:08:53 <BoCupp> johanneswilm new directory structure broke links, how to fix?
16:09:03 <BoCupp> https://github.com/w3c/editing/tree/gh-pages/docs
16:09:10 <johanneswilm> issue #262
16:12:22 <BoCupp> bocupp: proposes directory per spec then fix the links
16:13:02 <BoCupp> johanneswilm: in the past this was only a temporary home for docs
16:13:28 <BoCupp> bocupp: is it a hard requirement that we need to move the docs?
16:14:12 <BoCupp> johanneswilm: generally agree with Bo's suggestion, even if docs do graduate and move elsewhere we don't need to keep moving the docs that are here in this repo
16:16:07 <BoCupp> johanneswilm: will take the action to rearrange and fix links
16:18:14 <BoCupp> agenda+ https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/252
16:21:15 <BoCupp> bocupp: I think its by design that we don't have a way to disable all future commands - this would do it
16:22:53 <BoCupp> whsieh: some tension between what browser wants to deliver and what editors expect
16:23:22 <BoCupp> johanneswilm: that's right, this approach makes its possible to craft an allow-list, not just a deny-list
16:26:09 <BoCupp> whsieh: compromise is basically that its a little harder to block all future commands because you need to write script
16:29:34 <BoCupp> bocupp: not sure writing JS is real deterrent to keep authors from defaulting to allow-list
16:31:09 <BoCupp> whsieh: agree point about making it easier doesn't seem compelling...  there are some complexities adding second attribute contenteditable-enabled since now it can conflict with contenteditable-disabled
16:33:33 <BoCupp> whsieh: preference for JS way to make allow-list out of contenteditable-disabled
16:34:31 <BoCupp> johanneswilm: prefers enabled and disabled attribute b/c of symmetry, JS solution is separate preference, ce-disabled only is least favorite approach
16:35:36 <GameMaker> present +
16:35:46 <BoCupp> GameMaker: agree with whsieh
16:36:58 <BoCupp> bocupp: not opposed to JS solution, let's bring it back then
16:39:32 <BoCupp> johanneswilm: with JS solution, you can query it for available commands, note that the list should be uniform even if the actual enabled commands are influenced by configuration options set by the user to avoid fingerprinting
16:41:02 <BoCupp> johanneswilm: no requirement that browser has all the listed commands implemented
16:42:02 <BoCupp> johanneswilm: action then is to bring back from original ce-disabled spec (pre-MSFT changes) the JS enumeration
16:42:52 <BoCupp> bocupp: I can take that action
16:43:39 <BoCupp> agenda+ https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/176
16:43:50 <BoCupp> bocupp: I will work on landing PR while Grisha is out
16:44:32 <BoCupp> whsieh: new topic: Undo API update
16:45:38 <BoCupp> whsieh: web apps WG is probably ideal, but it might require recharter, so thinking WICG is right forum
16:51:39 <whsieh> https://github.com/w3c/editing/blob/gh-pages/CHARTER.md
16:54:37 <BoCupp> https://www.w3.org/2019/05/webapps-charter.html
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17:25:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items