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00:00:03 <dauwhe> Meeting: Publishing Business Group Telecon
00:00:16 <dauwhe> Date: 2020-06-09
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00:01:04 <dauwhe> present+ ShinyaTakami
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00:01:45 <dauwhe> Zakim, who is here?
00:01:45 <Zakim> Present: jyoshii, dauwhe, ShinyaTakami, Daihei, liisamk, wendyreid
00:01:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see skk, wendyreid, liisamk, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShinyaTakami, jyoshii, dauwhe, Karen, bigbluehat, war2, Ralph
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00:02:59 <Makoto> Thanks, Dave.
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00:04:08 <liisamk> Topic: EPUB 3 WG Charter
00:04:24 <liisamk> Daihei: almost worked out all the details
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00:04:55 <liisamk> wendyreid: almost complete, added Shinya as a third co-chair
00:05:05 <dauwhe> https://w3c.github.io/epub-3-wg-charter/
00:05:19 <liisamk> ...today got feedback from Judy Brewer from the APA and changes were made
00:05:37 <liisamk> ...ready to go to the next phase to send to the W3CM
00:06:00 <liisamk> Daihei: can you comment on the process from here?
00:06:23 <dauwhe> present+ Michelle_Kelly
00:06:29 <dauwhe> Zakim, who is here?
00:06:29 <Zakim> Present: jyoshii, dauwhe, ShinyaTakami, Daihei, liisamk, wendyreid, skk, Makoto, Michelle_Kelly
00:06:32 <liisamk> wendyreid: the W3CM process should be a week or two and maybe the week after next would send to the AC
00:06:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see Michelle_Kelly, jkamata, Makoto, Daihei, skk, wendyreid, liisamk, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShinyaTakami, jyoshii, dauwhe, Karen, bigbluehat, war2, Ralph
00:06:56 <liisamk> ...then go to the AC for a 6-week process
00:07:09 <liisamk> ...if approved would be around the end of July
00:07:15 <jkamata> present+
00:07:27 <liisamk> ...start date has been changed to be Sept. 1
00:08:03 <liisamk> Daihei: important announcement that Shinya Takami-san has accepted co-chair position
00:08:31 <liisamk> ...W3M happy and met to discuss collaboration
00:09:04 <liisamk> ...when the charter goes to approval for W3M he will be nominated a co-chair with Wendy and Dave
00:09:38 <liisamk> ...he can represent the Japanese industry and be a great co-chair for the global industry, this is an honor for the Japanese publishing industry
00:10:28 <liisamk> ShinyaTakami: all of you know me, hello and nominated as one of co-chairs of the EPUB 3 WG with Dave and Wendy
00:11:10 <liisamk> ...ask Daihei to help to support with the co-chair job and willing to work and bring the perspective of the Japanese industry
00:12:46 <liisamk> Daihei: will assist Shinya in this work
00:13:18 <liisamk> Topic: The Digital Publishing Summit
00:13:35 <liisamk> Daihei: was originally scheduled to take place in Madrid, but was held online
00:13:57 <liisamk> ...organized by Laurent of EDRLab and we presented on the epub survey
00:14:22 <dauwhe> scribe+ dauwhe
00:14:39 <dauwhe> liisamk: we were asked by laurent to talk about where epub is going
00:14:47 <dauwhe> ... and what we learned from the survey
00:14:59 <dauwhe> ... we learned epub is good and strong and healthy
00:15:05 <dauwhe> ... and that our work is not yet done
00:15:10 <dauwhe> ... hence the EPUB 3 WG
00:15:27 <dauwhe> ... and make sure EPUB becomes a full w3c REC, and gets testing and better interop
00:15:33 <dauwhe> ... and that it be backwards compatible
00:15:44 <dauwhe> ... people need to not revisit their catalogs
00:16:05 <dauwhe> ... but there are things people want to do, like mixing FXL and reflow (which is allowed by spec)
00:16:12 <dauwhe> ... there are interactivity features people want
00:16:42 <dauwhe> ... we didn't ask about geographic info
00:16:50 <dauwhe> ... we don't know where they came from
00:17:18 <dauwhe> ... there were 100 people in the session, lots from europe, AU, NZ, SA...
00:17:38 <dauwhe> ... Laurent was happy with attendance; there is video online
00:17:50 <dauwhe> ... links in meeting agenda
00:18:34 <liisamk> scribe+ liisamk
00:19:08 <liisamk> Daihei: looking to translate into Japanese and want to make a presentation in July to the Japanese people who contributed
00:19:23 <liisamk> ...want to make sure that they know where global interests are
00:19:47 <liisamk> ...planning to involve Shinya to do a presentation together
00:20:19 <liisamk> ...Wendy did a great job with the blog post and summary of the survey that is linked in the agenda
00:20:39 <liisamk> Wendy: blog post went up a couple of weeks ago, there has been good feedback
00:21:16 <liisamk> ...highlights: EPUB3 is widely used, most people are using EPUB3 and not so much EPUB 2 and PDF
00:21:51 <liisamk> ...EPUB features - full bleed images and fixed+reflow, lots of misinformation in the market
00:22:00 <liisamk> ...share info about features that are in and work
00:22:15 <liisamk> ...people want better testing and reading system conformance
00:22:52 <liisamk> ...people also want multiple languages in same book, lots of info about accessibility
00:23:03 <liisamk> ...people are thinking about it even if they are doing it yet
00:23:17 <liisamk> ...lot of energy around EPUB living on and getting better
00:23:28 <liisamk> ...better support for javascript and web APIs
00:23:42 <liisamk> ...want more modern things, but to keep the format
00:23:47 <liisamk> ...excited to start the work
00:24:32 <liisamk> Topic: Collaboration with EDRLab and LIA for Japan
00:25:06 <liisamk> Daihei: out of all these PBG activities and the new direction of the publishing work
00:25:21 <liisamk> ...things are having more interest globally
00:26:04 <liisamk> ...Laurent gave us the presentation on Thorium and Cristina representing LIA want to work with the Japanese industry
00:26:21 <liisamk> ...think that Japan has a lot of things that could be influential
00:26:30 <liisamk> ...have been in a lot of discussions with them
00:27:00 <liisamk> ...bridging the W3C publishing activities and the Thorium and LCP and the accessibility activities
00:27:12 <liisamk> ...give more in details about how we will collaborate together
00:27:42 <liisamk> ...intending to bring back the outcomes to publishing@W3C
00:28:06 <liisamk> ...between Europe and Japan collaboration should be transparent to rest of world
00:30:44 <liisamk> Makoto and Daihei: asked about the translated version of the LIA's report about accessibility
00:31:19 <liisamk> ...Makoto has been in discussion with Cristina and collaboration with LIA and training activities and publisher implementation
00:31:48 <liisamk> ...for the publishers to implement the accessibility
00:32:02 <liisamk> ...recommendations from the European Commission
00:32:20 <liisamk> Topic: EPUB Reading System Bug GitHub Repo
00:32:37 <dauwhe> liisamk: we put this repo together, and started to collect some stuff
00:32:42 <dauwhe> ... don't have much in the repo yet
00:32:58 <dauwhe> ... please take a look and let us know what you need to put bugs in
00:33:09 <dauwhe> ... make sure that there are labels for all the reading systems you might need
00:33:48 <liisamk> Daihei: there are so many reading systems and bugs to be shared
00:34:38 <liisamk> Shinya: this github for the Japanese market, reading system development is stable and not big feedback
00:34:57 <dauwhe> liisamk: if you don't have open bugs, there's nothing to put in
00:35:12 <dauwhe> ... we've seen a lot of bugs with a particular partner in the US
00:35:18 <dauwhe> ... if things are stable, that's great!
00:35:39 <dauwhe> ... we could set up templates in Japanese, too
00:37:00 <liisamk> Topic: Discuss goals/ideas for guest presentations
00:37:37 <liisamk> Daihei: we have opened this discussion and want to have more open discussion about digital publishing
00:37:55 <liisamk> ...first presentation was Thorium and the accessibility that it supports
00:38:19 <liisamk> ...we have a list of possible guest speakers and ideas
00:38:35 <liisamk> ...question of what people want these speakers to do and what people want to hear about
00:40:03 <liisamk> ...want to avoid this to be marketing
00:40:23 <liisamk> ...presentation should be 10 minutes and 10 minutes of QA
00:40:45 <liisamk> ...presentation can be slides or videos and should be relevant to the work
00:41:02 <liisamk> ...no self-promotion, spam
00:41:15 <liisamk> ...will be recorded so that it can be shared with others in the PBG
00:41:39 <liisamk> ...will not be shared outside the group
00:41:53 <dauwhe> q+
00:42:03 <liisamk> ...would like to invite guests like the list that is in the invite
00:43:56 <liisamk> ...M&E co-chairs to talk about visual materials and the relationship to publishing
00:44:52 <liisamk> dauwhe: question about why to share with just the business group
00:45:50 <liisamk> Daihei: agree- no reason to make it PBG only
00:45:53 <dauwhe> liisamk: I agree with Dave; we should make sure that people understand that things are available through the minutes
00:46:18 <liisamk> liisamk: agree that it should be made clear that it is as public as anything we post and should be available
00:48:02 <liisamk> Daihei: AR, VR may come into publishing sometime soon and Web XR might be interesting
00:49:03 <liisamk> ...also the WOT is working to standardize all kinds of smart technologies and it might be interesting
00:50:11 <liisamk> ...lots of discussions amongst the hardware folks and discussions should be had with content people
00:50:33 <liisamk> ...WOT became a recommendation from W3C in April
00:51:30 <liisamk> ...intention to get recommendations from people to invite and please think of people broader than our members who might join in to present
00:51:45 <liisamk> Topic: schedule over summer
00:52:07 <liisamk> Daihei: June 23rd NA/Europe   July 7th/8th NA/Asia July 21st NA/Europe   August 4th/5th NA/Asia August 18th NA/Europe
00:52:33 <liisamk> ...we will extend activities in the fall
00:52:55 <liisamk> ...thanks to North American participation tonight!
00:53:00 <dauwhe> Zakim, who is here?
00:53:00 <Zakim> Present: jyoshii, dauwhe, ShinyaTakami, Daihei, liisamk, wendyreid, skk, Makoto, Michelle_Kelly, jkamata
00:53:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see Michelle_Kelly, jkamata, Makoto, Daihei, skk, wendyreid, liisamk, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShinyaTakami, jyoshii, dauwhe, Karen, bigbluehat, war2, Ralph
00:53:19 <liisamk> Daihei: any topics to discuss?
00:56:17 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/epub-rs-bugs
00:56:22 <liisamk> https://github.com/w3c/epub-rs-bugs
00:57:45 <liisamk> jyoshii: is organizing a seminar for Japan in a month or 2 months and would like to include what we did for the digital publishing summit
00:57:53 <liisamk> ...to coordinate with APL
00:58:41 <liisamk> zakim, please end meeting
00:58:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jyoshii, dauwhe, ShinyaTakami, Daihei, liisamk, wendyreid, skk, Makoto, Michelle_Kelly, jkamata
00:58:43 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
00:58:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/09-pbg-minutes.html Zakim
00:58:46 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, liisamk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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00:59:00 <dauwhe> RRSAgent: make logs public
00:59:18 <dauwhe> RRSAgent: make logs public
00:59:57 <dauwhe> RRSAgent, bye
00:59:57 <RRSAgent> I see no action items