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14:54:05 <ivan> Meeting: DID WG Telco
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15:06:50 <dezell> Topic: Agenda Review
15:07:00 <dezell> No requests.
15:07:33 <dezell> Topic: Reintroductions
15:07:38 <brent> scribe+ brent
15:08:17 <brent> dezell: I work for a trade association. We work closely with convenience stores. We are very interested in using DIDs in a variety of use cases. Been at W3c for 20 years.
15:08:21 <dezell> scribe+
15:08:23 <manu> dezell: I'm David Ezell, work for a trade association called Conexxus, and work closely with National Association of Convenience Stores (NACS). I'm not a cryptography expert, but care very much about availability of these technologies and application to our work. I've been at W3C for 23 years.
15:08:35 <dezell> Topic: Next Topic Call
15:09:07 <dezell> brent: 6PM today eastern.  DID core properties and metadata.
15:09:14 <Eugeniu_Jolocom> present+
15:09:16 <yancy> present+
15:09:37 <dezell> ... Seems like the week of June 29 - July 3 works well for being able to have some additional meetings.
15:09:45 <dezell> ... watch for a doodle poll.
15:10:39 <dezell> ... each block will be about 90 minutes, with a break of 90 minutes, over the course of 3 or so days.
15:10:51 <brent> q?
15:10:58 <dezell> ... we hope people will give these meetings precidence.
15:11:05 <burn> In other words, it's not a face-to-face but should be given the same priority
15:11:06 <ivan> present+ identitywoman
15:11:44 <rhiaro> present+
15:11:47 <dezell> ... it will be hard to replicate a face to face, but we'll do our best.
15:11:52 <burn> brent can you please repeat the week the meetings will occur?
15:12:01 <burn> (for the minutes)
15:12:21 <dezell> drummond:  just trying to get a feel...
15:12:36 <dezell> brent:  June 29 is only 4 weeks away.
15:12:48 <dezell> ... doodle poll should be out this week.
15:13:01 <ivan> Topic: registries document status
15:13:20 <manu> ... and Amy!!!
15:13:50 <dezell> ... expecting to publish a FWD note soon. [scribe missed the antecedent]
15:14:38 <manu> +1 to publish FPWD of DID Specification Registries document!
15:14:55 <manu> DID Specification Registries FPWD NOTE
15:15:04 <manu> https://w3c.github.io/did-spec-registries/
15:15:20 <manu> s/FWD note/FPWD note/
15:15:21 <drummond> Many thanks to both Orie and Amy for their work on this (and Manu too, but Manu's everywhere ;-)
15:15:23 <dezell> DID Specification Registries FPWD NOTE [11:15] https://w3c.github.io/did-spec-registries/
15:15:30 <ivan> Topic: Editors' issues
15:16:05 <manu> q+
15:16:42 <dezell> manu: a couple of PRs - especially CBOR.
15:16:53 <jonathan_holt> q+
15:17:04 <dezell> ... there's a question about what to do with the PR... pull into spec?
15:17:16 <ivan> q+
15:17:17 <dezell> ... if we do that I'd like a huge warning (experimental).
15:17:22 <ivan> ack manu
15:17:33 <dezell> ... we're in a weird place - trying to finish with new things coming in.
15:17:56 <dezell> ... there is some misalignment with what to do with that section.
15:18:22 <dezell> ... So, editors' intention is to pull in the section with a big warning, and we'd like to know how the group feels about that.
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15:18:47 <Justin_R> q+ to talk about "experimental"
15:18:58 <burn> ack jonathan_holt
15:18:59 <dezell> ... we'd also like Jonathan to know that the section >may< come out of the spec if it meets with disagreement from review.
15:19:09 <burn> q?
15:19:19 <dezell> jonathan: would appreciate more eyes on this part of the spec.
15:19:45 <dezell> ... what's in the PR, it's moving toward "DAG" CBOR (IPID).
15:19:56 <dezell> [scribe not familiar with terminology]
15:20:28 <dezell> ... CBOR allows integers, be we constrained to strings.
15:20:39 <dezell> ... this offering is NOT CBOR-LD.
15:21:02 <burn> ack ivan
15:21:14 <dezell> ... the core data model is not quite mature, and we'll have a better idea of what can be extended with experience.
15:21:43 <dezell> Ivan: normally we could call this a "feature at risk" signaling that it might be removed.
15:21:44 <burn> q+ to comment on labeling as feature at risk
15:22:01 <burn> ack Justin_R
15:22:01 <Zakim> Justin_R, you wanted to talk about "experimental"
15:22:11 <dezell> ... while this kind of thing is good in a near-final publication, it feels out of place in a FWD.
15:22:33 <selfissued> q+
15:22:49 <dezell> Justin: it feels like "fear mongering" to be too strong with our worries about the section.
15:23:00 <burn> ack burn
15:23:00 <Zakim> burn, you wanted to comment on labeling as feature at risk
15:23:06 <dezell> ... I think the section belongs without the warning.
15:23:52 <burn> ack selfissued
15:23:57 <dezell> burn: we don't need to out that label on today.  There is plenty of time (before end of candidate recommendation) when we need implementation reports from two implementors.
15:24:14 <dezell> mike: I agree it should go in, with no warning.
15:24:38 <dezell> manu: I will then merge it in with no warning.  I have a worry that I don't know of any implementor planning to use CBOR.
15:24:56 <ivan> present+ ganesh
15:24:57 <Orie> I've also not seen a single company this commited to "Pure JSON", so.... same thing applies to that.
15:25:06 <dezell> ... we could spend a lot of time working on a feature with no second implementer.
15:25:27 <dezell> ... there are a few change suggestions.  Jonathan, please review, and let us know.
15:25:35 <ivan> present+ yancy
15:25:35 <dezell> Jonathan: will do.
15:25:45 <burn> Good point Orie
15:25:52 <dezell> manu: Amy put in editorial PRs that deserve review.
15:26:16 <dezell> ... since Jonathan won't be able to make the special call today, we'll put that discussion on hold.
15:26:41 <dezell> ... we have other requests we'll talk about on the special call later today.
15:26:51 <dezell> burn: any other editors' issues?
15:26:57 <burn> Topic: Core issue status check
15:27:24 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-asc
15:27:31 <dezell> drummond: I'm working on the terminology section - please send me notes.
15:27:40 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/176
15:28:13 <dezell> burn: last comment was Mike said he would reread and comment.  Any update.
15:28:21 <dezell> mike: please skip.
15:28:23 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/205
15:28:47 <dezell> burn: from Justin.  Any update.
15:29:13 <dezell> Justin: sorry I haven't been keeping up.  We need to pick something.  Consistent across representations.
15:29:44 <burn> q?
15:29:50 <dezell> ... We need to define "if you see a property you don't understand, what should you do?"
15:29:56 <selfissued> q+
15:30:04 <dezell> ... JSON systems tend to ignore such properties.
15:30:10 <burn> ack selfissued
15:30:37 <dezell> mike: I thought there was already a statement saying unknown properties MUST be ignored.
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15:30:55 <dezell> justin: I put in text, but it's only one possible solution.
15:31:16 <dezell> burn: this is a status check only, don't want to go to deeply.
15:31:30 <selfissued> q+
15:31:40 <burn> ack selfissued
15:31:44 <dezell> ... those interested please go put your opinions in the issue and then we can decide whether to schedule more discussion.
15:32:14 <dezell> mike: don't we already have text that says unrecognized members should be ignored.  What's the issue?
15:32:26 <dezell> justin: I want to be sure that is the will of the group.
15:33:03 <dezell> burn: we're still working on it.  Text that has been discussed thoroughly has a higher bar for change.
15:33:15 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/176
15:33:40 <dezell> mike: I need to create a PR - I haven't worked on it yet.
15:33:52 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/199
15:34:51 <dezell> brent: status started with a question that turned into a broad discussion.  A lot of suggestions, including [scribe missed] changes to the document.  PR needs to be created.
15:35:22 <dezell> drummond: I will work with Brent on this PR.
15:35:42 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/154
15:36:32 <dezell> oliver: I think Orie should give the comments.
15:37:08 <dezell> orie: we went over the did registry property definitions, and have made changes that should be reviewed.
15:37:24 <dezell> ... we're ready to make progress so review should happen soon.
15:37:25 <jonathan_holt> q+
15:37:46 <dezell> burn: you had said progress was blocked by the registries discussion, so what is the exact status?
15:37:52 <burn> q?
15:37:56 <burn> ack jonathan_holt
15:38:29 <dezell> jonathan: I struggled to use the "proof" section of the document in the CBOR section.
15:38:31 <rhiaro> jonathan_holt - there's a PR to remove proof.. if that helps?
15:38:48 <dezell> ... this is where I need some guidance.
15:39:03 <dezell> burn: is that a question for this issue, or is it a broader question for the group?
15:39:34 <dezell> jonathan: I think LD proof need not to be the only proof mechanism, and I'll work on that.
15:39:43 <rhiaro> jonathan_holt, see https://github.com/w3c/did-core/pull/305
15:39:50 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/198
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15:40:36 <dezell> marcus: several iterations of PRs, see 295-300 (PRs).
15:41:11 <dezell> ... function definition for resolution, my opinion is that we should merge one (296?)
15:41:19 <Justin_R> In order: https://github.com/w3c/did-core/pull/295 https://github.com/w3c/did-core/pull/296 https://github.com/w3c/did-core/pull/297 https://github.com/w3c/did-core/pull/298 https://github.com/w3c/did-core/pull/300 https://github.com/w3c/did-core/pull/299
15:41:22 <dezell> burn: please add the other references.
15:41:37 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/236
15:42:18 <burn> q?
15:42:34 <Orie> https://w3c.github.io/did-spec-registries/#publickeyhex
15:42:55 <dezell> manu: the registries discussion is leading to more work.  Public Key hacks will go into the document.  Orie, where will we point from the registry?
15:43:18 <selfissued> q+
15:43:23 <dezell> orie: we may end up with a big bucket in git.
15:43:31 <dezell> manu: we'll put that in the issue.
15:43:33 <burn> ack selfissued
15:44:01 <Orie> yes :)
15:44:14 <dezell> mike: we're not just defining terms, we're describing the semantics of the identifier and how it's used.
15:44:25 <dezell> orie: I agree
15:44:27 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/118
15:44:47 <rhiaro> burn, I put in a comment for current status
15:45:30 <dezell> burn: Amy, we need to conform to Accessibility guidelines, but we need an initial review request.
15:45:32 <rhiaro> burn, I don't know anything about asking for review, I'm just working through the self checklist
15:45:54 <dezell> burn: I'm asking about the self-review beginning horizontal review.
15:46:01 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/260
15:46:56 <dezell> drummond: I think the issue of "more than one controller" is related to "DIDs being identified."  Therefore I'll put my name on this issue.
15:47:04 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/178
15:47:06 <burn> q?
15:47:48 <dezell> yancy: I haven't started considering this issue.
15:47:58 <dezell> burn: do you understand what needs to happen?
15:48:15 <dezell> yancy: I have in mind the needed wording, but haven't done anything yet.
15:48:35 <dezell> burn: could you just put a quick idea of what you intend in the issue.
15:48:35 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/195
15:49:35 <dezell> manu: there is on-going discussion about whether or not what verification methods are authorized to do updates, and should that be in did-core or did methods.
15:50:06 <dezell> ... IMO did methods will have to specify what verification methods can operate on a DID document.
15:50:19 <dezell> burn: yes, we still have to establish the rules.
15:50:25 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/8
15:50:51 <dezell> burn: my name is on here, along with Brent and Mike.
15:51:12 <dezell> ... anyone like to offer an opinion?
15:51:14 <Orie> q+
15:51:21 <selfissued> q+
15:51:22 <burn> ack Orie
15:52:08 <dezell> orie:  verification methods are often a function of the upper level type attribute.
15:52:16 <burn> ack selfissued
15:52:25 <dezell> ... I'm not in favor of adding any language.
15:52:45 <dezell> mike: public key JWK should be a self-contained description - that was the issue.
15:52:56 <dezell> burn: doesn't seem there's agreement - so we need a call.
15:53:42 <dezell> ... "needs special call".  I'll remove "discuss".  Needs to be flagged as needing more than just comments in the issue.
15:54:16 <burn> qL
15:54:19 <burn> q?
15:54:25 <dezell> ... removing myself and brent, since we were only there bec.ause we needed a call, and we have a method for that
15:54:37 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/85
15:55:20 <Justin_R> That is what the last comment says, though -- just fwiw
15:55:24 <dezell> burn: we haven't had a comment for a month.  Marcus please add.
15:56:13 <dezell> justin: says it's addressed in PR 253.  Marcus please add that, too.
15:56:20 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/14
15:56:54 <dezell> burn: Christopher, Daniel, Oliver assigned...
15:57:00 <Orie> is joe here?
15:57:11 <Orie> this is mostly blocked by his comments afaik...
15:57:19 <dezell> ... looking for someone to give a status.
15:57:27 <Orie> q+
15:57:53 <burn> ack Orie
15:58:09 <selfissued> q+
15:58:14 <dezell> orie: mike has a PR request not to allow revoked keys, and I'll follow up.
15:58:42 <dezell> burn: time to bring this one to a close.
15:58:44 <burn> ack selfissued
15:58:57 <dezell> mike: what's the status of merging the PR to address?
15:59:13 <dezell> manu: it's merged, but people are saying it didn't address the issue.
15:59:24 <dlongley> q+
15:59:30 <burn> ack dlongley
15:59:35 <dezell> ... Joe didn't respond, so I merged, but now it seems insufficient.
15:59:52 <dezell> dlongley:  there was a simple suggestion that was not pulled in.
16:00:06 <dezell> burn: Dave and Mike please address in the issue.
16:00:11 <dezell> Adjourned.
16:00:17 <gannan> present+
16:00:43 <manu> rrsagent, make logs public
16:00:47 <manu> rrsagent, make draft minutes
16:00:47 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft minutes', manu.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:00:51 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/02-did-minutes.html manu
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16:05:20 <ivan> zakim, end meeting
16:05:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ivan, burn, phila, jonathan_holt, Justin_R, markus_sabadello, manu, Orie, +, brent, selfissued, chriswinc, oliver_terbu, drummond,
16:05:23 <Zakim> ... dlongley, dezell, Eugeniu_Jolocom, yancy, identitywoman, rhiaro, ganesh, dmitriz, gannan
16:05:23 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:05:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/02-did-minutes.html Zakim
16:05:25 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, ivan; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
16:05:29 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:05:29 <RRSAgent> I see no action items