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14:52:10 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
14:52:29 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee Telco
14:52:29 <ivan> Chair:  ralph
14:52:29 <ivan> Date: 2020-05-01
14:52:29 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/mid/aa5df2ea-b881-b4bf-8a54-98e5789e090f@w3.org
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15:02:31 <Ralph> zakim, list attendees
15:02:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Daihei, ivan, george, wendyreid, Ralph
15:02:43 <Ralph> present+ Avneesh
15:02:58 <Ralph> present+ Tzviya, BillK
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15:04:52 <Ralph> agenda+ EPUBcheck Update
15:04:59 <wendyreid> scribe+
15:04:59 <ivan> present+ jeff
15:05:05 <wendyreid> tzviya: EPUBCheck Update
15:05:14 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:05:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "EPUBcheck Update" taken up [from Ralph]
15:05:20 <ivan> present+ garth
15:05:23 <wendyreid> Avneesh: In the new timeline, milestone 2.1 completion was due April 30
15:05:26 <Ralph> agenda+ Next Steps for the "Future of EPUB" Survey
15:05:28 <wendyreid> ... completion of the test suite
15:05:33 <wendyreid> ... Romain is on schedule
15:05:40 <Ralph> agenda+ Brainstorming on a "Publishing@W3C Open Meeting"
15:05:42 <wendyreid> ... there will also be a maintenance release
15:05:48 <Ralph> regrets+ Liisa
15:06:02 <wendyreid> ... because of the lockdown, the release will have to be mindful of people not having the ability to test the release
15:06:21 <wendyreid> ... if there are any issues with the HTML checker, it can be problematic
15:06:33 <wendyreid> ... we will be doing some testing with publishers and retailers
15:06:48 <wendyreid> ... if that is successful we can do the release
15:06:57 <Ralph> i|Agenda:|-> https://www.w3.org/2020/04/17-pbgsc-minutes.html previous 17-April
15:06:57 <wendyreid> ... the localization in different languages has also start
15:07:08 <wendyreid> ... we'll have different languages for the errors now
15:07:09 <Ralph> chair: Tzviya, Ralph
15:07:13 <wendyreid> ... and fundraising continues
15:07:26 <George> q+
15:07:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/05/01-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
15:07:32 <tzviya> ack George
15:07:37 <wendyreid> tzviya: If there are any other volunteers for testing, please let myself or Avneesh know
15:07:54 <wendyreid> George: Are we going to announce this as asking for volunteers for testing, or is it closed
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15:08:06 <wendyreid> tzviya: I think we have enough testers internally, it's not a huge release
15:08:13 <wendyreid> ... we aren't going to publicise it
15:08:15 <garth> present+ Garth
15:08:15 <Ralph> present+ Garth
15:08:27 <wendyreid> Avneesh: It's a maintenance release, so we are just taking additional precautions
15:08:32 <wendyreid> ... we don't need wide testing
15:08:35 <wendyreid> tzviya: Thanks
15:08:38 <wendyreid> ... Moving on
15:08:43 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:08:43 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Next Steps for the "Future of EPUB" Survey" taken up [from Ralph]
15:08:48 <wendyreid> ... Next item is the next steps of EPUB survey
15:08:59 <jeff__> Mateus++
15:08:59 <wendyreid> ... I hope everyone has had time to review the slide deck
15:09:01 <jeff__> Wendy++
15:09:07 <wendyreid> ... now we need to do something with it
15:09:12 <wendyreid> ... we need to publicise this
15:09:17 <Ralph> Wendy++, Mateus++
15:09:52 <Ralph> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-publishing-sc/2020Apr/0000.html "EPUB Survey Results" [Wendy, 24-Apr]
15:10:02 <Ralph> scribe+
15:10:08 <Ralph> Wendy: I'd like people to read my proposed blog post
15:10:19 <Ralph> George: does that post point to a slide deck?
15:10:40 <Ralph> Wendy: it can; I didn't include one as I'm not sure where to host it
15:10:59 <Ralph> Tzviya: it would be great to publish this soon
15:11:00 <jeff__> q+
15:11:07 <tzviya> ack jeff__
15:11:35 <wendyreid> jeff__: Blog post is important, but in parallel we as a steering committee need to figure out how to consume what the community thinks
15:11:45 <wendyreid> ... we can say this is input to the EPUB WG
15:11:55 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:12:01 <wendyreid> ... is it input to the charter or is this input to the activity
15:12:19 <wendyreid> ... not everything in this survey is not input to the charter, but to other groups
15:12:51 <wendyreid> ... I think it would be useful for us or a smaller group to look at the results and determine what can be taken from them
15:12:55 <tzviya> q+ to suggest opening GH issues
15:12:55 <George> q+
15:13:00 <wendyreid> ... make sure this lands somewhere
15:13:03 <tzviya> q?
15:13:05 <tzviya> ack bi
15:13:11 <Daihei> q+
15:13:14 <wendyreid> Bill_Kasdorf: I agree with Jeff
15:13:20 <ivan> q+
15:13:21 <ivan> q+
15:13:36 <wendyreid> ... I wanted to remind folks that even before something gets into the WG, the CG should look at the implementation/incubation
15:13:52 <Avneesh> +1 Bill
15:13:58 <wendyreid> ... We should make sure this is systematic
15:14:08 <wendyreid> ... prioritize the feedback
15:14:09 <tzviya> ack me
15:14:09 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to suggest opening GH issues
15:14:22 <Ralph> +1 to the CG taking up the bits of the survey that are about implementation/incubation work
15:14:36 <wendyreid> tzviya: I was going to suggest that some of us should begin opening GH issues for the items in the survey
15:14:39 <wendyreid> ... we need to break this down
15:14:46 <tzviya> ack ge
15:14:48 <wendyreid> ... many of them will end up in the CG
15:14:57 <wendyreid> George: +1 to everything that's been said
15:15:21 <wendyreid> ... we should have contacts associated with the annoucnement of the results so people can contact them
15:15:39 <wendyreid> ... regarding the issues, this would dictate a project/work plan
15:16:01 <wendyreid> ... there's many things the CG and BG should look at, as well as the WG
15:16:26 <wendyreid> ... it looks like putting together a project plan, in the form of issues, then we can label and organize it all into projects/sub-projects
15:16:26 <tzviya> ack dauwhe
15:16:29 <tzviya> ack dai
15:16:39 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:16:52 <wendyreid> Daihei: Liisa and I discussed this, these results are something that should be make open and communicable
15:16:58 <wendyreid> ... to the global community
15:17:07 <wendyreid> ... the questionnaire was sent to many people
15:17:18 <wendyreid> ... and many people wanted to continue to keep in touch
15:17:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Daihei, ivan, george, wendyreid, Ralph, Avneesh, Tzviya, BillK, Bill_Kasdorf, jeff, garth
15:17:38 <wendyreid> ... PBG will take the initiative to communicate on behalf of the Publishing Activity
15:18:03 <wendyreid> ... we can take the feedback and then bring it to the BG and other groups
15:18:49 <wendyreid> tzviya: Mateus and Wendy did a lot of work on the data compilation, and Wendy wrote the blog post, maybe we should start there
15:18:54 <Avneesh> q?
15:19:08 <wendyreid> Daihei: We appreciate their work, we can use it as a basis for our communications
15:19:24 <Ralph> s|my proposed blog post|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-publishing-sc/2020Apr/att-0000/EPUB_Survey_Results.md "my proposed blog post"
15:19:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/05/01-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
15:19:43 <tzviya> ack iv
15:19:46 <wendyreid> ... we want to make sure the BG is the group to communicate with
15:19:55 <wendyreid> ivan: Minor additions, the charter as of today
15:20:20 <wendyreid> ... it makes a reference to the original blog, we can add references to the survey results
15:21:03 <wendyreid> ivan: I worry about confusing the messaging between all of the groups, the community does have it own repo where we can store the issues
15:21:07 <wendyreid> ... for these specific issues
15:21:08 <tzviya> 'ack Ralph
15:21:22 <Ralph> -> https://github.com/w3c/publ-bg Publishing BG GitHub repository
15:21:28 <wendyreid> Ralph: One of those rare occasions where I have a different opinion from Ivan
15:21:34 <wendyreid> ... the BG has a GH repo
15:22:19 <wendyreid> ... and I think it makes sense to have the survey topics/discussion areas and classify which group should look at them
15:22:26 <wendyreid> ... some cases will be clear and others won't
15:23:47 <wendyreid> ... can we derive issues from the slides
15:23:54 <wendyreid> wendyreid: Yes, but it will be time consuming
15:24:02 <tzviya> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:24:12 <wendyreid> tzviya: I think we can put everything in CG repo and farm them out, or in another and sort them out
15:24:16 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on "the BG doesn't have a GitHub repo"
15:24:23 <wendyreid> Bill_Kasdorf: I worry about the implementation of these features
15:24:30 <wendyreid> ... with the CG anyone can be involved
15:24:30 <ivan> -> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11KjkTzyuOeDLlCiAccQYSJ5J-vNHJ_s2U3r4ws1FPLA/edit#slide=id.p the survey slides themeselves
15:24:52 <wendyreid> ... recruit people based on the issue
15:25:08 <wendyreid> ... I spoke to Rick Johnson recently
15:25:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/05/01-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
15:25:35 <wendyreid> ... want him to get into the CG and address specific issues
15:25:44 <wendyreid> ... motivate people with specific problems
15:25:56 <tzviya> q?
15:26:02 <Ralph> +1 to Bill -- and the blog post can [does?] say that :)
15:26:21 <wendyreid> tzviya: I think that we all have high hopes for where the CG is headeed
15:26:30 <wendyreid> ... the topic at hand is what we do with the survey results
15:26:38 <wendyreid> ... we all agree that we can turn them into issues
15:26:49 <wendyreid> ... who else wants to volunteer to create GH issues with me
15:27:05 <wendyreid> Daihei: Liisa and I can help
15:27:33 <wendyreid> tzviya: I'm going to volunteer Mateus and Jeff X
15:27:56 <Avneesh> I can take care of accessibility issues
15:27:56 <wendyreid> ... hopefully the three of us can figure this out
15:28:07 <George> I am swamped through May 15, but can help with accessibility issues.
15:28:08 <wendyreid> ... we can give ourselves a month to work on this
15:28:16 <jeff__> q+ to discus labels
15:28:20 <tzviya> ack jeff__
15:28:20 <Zakim> jeff__, you wanted to discus labels
15:28:36 <wendyreid> jeff__: Perhaps to overstate the obvious, GH has great labels
15:28:46 <wendyreid> ... to the extent we can label them, we should
15:28:57 <wendyreid> ... it would help to organizing and putting things where they belong
15:29:16 <wendyreid> ... we'll make more progress if the team makes some initial decisions on sorting and then we can discuss
15:29:29 <wendyreid> tzviya: We'll also have to figure out which repo
15:29:42 <Daihei> q+
15:29:47 <tzviya> ack dauwhe
15:29:50 <tzviya> ack dai
15:29:50 <wendyreid> ... if we want to use the BG repo, we can discuss with Daihei and Liisa whether the BG wants to use GH
15:29:55 <wendyreid> Daihei: I think it could be used
15:30:05 <George> Perhaps labels would include task force assignments.
15:30:05 <wendyreid> ... Liisa is putting together on the repo for the RS issues
15:30:16 <wendyreid> ... we can discuss offline though
15:30:37 <wendyreid> tzviya: Is this all we should do for now?
15:30:49 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:30:49 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Brainstorming on a "Publishing@W3C Open Meeting"" taken up [from Ralph]
15:31:04 <wendyreid> tzviya: We discussed having an "open" publishing meeting
15:31:11 <wendyreid> ... blog posts are nice, but may not reach everyone
15:31:17 <Ralph> scribe-
15:31:17 <wendyreid> ... we're in a period of big changes
15:31:19 <Ralph> [[
15:31:20 <Ralph>    The idea here is to hold a meeting to which all CG, BG, and WG
15:31:20 <Ralph>    participants are explicitly invited.  Probably a webinar-style
15:31:20 <Ralph>    meeting.  Perhaps open to others in the wider community who are
15:31:21 <Ralph>    not (yet) participating in W3C in some way.  The content could
15:31:21 <Ralph>    expand on the 18 March blog post (or post(s) if there are more),
15:31:21 <Ralph>    addressing questions and comments from the Survey results.
15:31:22 <Ralph>    The purpose of this agendum is to look for consensus on the
15:31:22 <Ralph>    utility of such a meeting, collect ideas on possible content,
15:31:22 <Ralph>    and (presuming consensus to proceed), get consensus on a
15:31:23 <Ralph>    schedule and solicit volunteers for a Planning and Program Committee.
15:31:23 <Ralph> ]]
15:31:51 <wendyreid> tzviya: Can we establish a community and how should we hold this meeting
15:31:55 <wendyreid> q+
15:31:56 <jeff__> q+ to provide some ideas
15:32:01 <Ralph> scribe+
15:32:13 <tzviya> ack je
15:32:13 <Zakim> jeff__, you wanted to provide some ideas
15:32:21 <tzviya> q+ je
15:32:21 <Ralph> Wendy: I like the idea a lot
15:32:26 <Ralph> ... I'll happily help
15:32:36 <tzviya> ack je
15:32:37 <wendyreid> jeff__: I think it's a great idea
15:32:42 <wendyreid> ... don't know if an hour will be enough
15:33:01 <wendyreid> ... the place to start would be acknowledging the community for their contributions to the survey
15:33:12 <wendyreid> ... I don't know how comprehensive we want to be
15:33:29 <tzviya> q+ to avoid webinar-weary, too long
15:33:29 <wendyreid> ... a basic overview of the result would be good
15:33:45 <wendyreid> ... explain how we are cosuming it and the effort to put it into action
15:33:50 <Avneesh> q+
15:33:51 <wendyreid> ... WG, BG, CG ets
15:34:07 <wendyreid> ... another way to get further interest, if we want to ask them to provide inputs
15:34:29 <wendyreid> ... its one thing to just attend and learn things, but we would love more input or feedback directly from people
15:34:34 <wendyreid> ... community participation
15:34:39 <tzviya> ack tz
15:34:39 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to avoid webinar-weary, too long
15:34:50 <wendyreid> tzviya: I've been hearing about people getting weary of webinars
15:34:58 <wendyreid> ... I'm concerned about making it too long
15:35:00 <tzviya> ack avn
15:35:14 <wendyreid> Avneesh: The communication instrument depends on the objective
15:35:35 <wendyreid> ... if we are looking to communicate our goals, a webinar is fine, but if we want a discussion we might want something different
15:35:50 <wendyreid> ... posting the charter didn't get a lot of input, but conference calls did
15:36:05 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:36:05 <wendyreid> ... if we want feedback, then we should hold some short calls
15:36:15 <tzviya> ack Ralph
15:36:15 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on webinar vs. discussion
15:36:18 <wendyreid> ... a webinar is appropriate if we're just doing a review
15:36:32 <wendyreid> Ralph: Avneesh, do you have an opinion on what we should do?
15:36:46 <wendyreid> Avneesh: The EPUB3 charter is known and people know about it
15:36:55 <wendyreid> ... if we get into detailed discussions, it could delayt hings
15:37:01 <ivan> regrets+ Cristina, Yoshii-san
15:37:02 <wendyreid> ... are we comfortable with that
15:37:10 <wendyreid> ... if we want that feedback ,then let's do it
15:37:17 <wendyreid> Ralph: Thanks, I had similar thoughts
15:37:29 <wendyreid> ... strong +1 to Jeff about using the results
15:37:39 <wendyreid> ... we use that as the basis for whatever we do
15:37:41 <jeff__> q+ to comment on Avneesh's comments
15:38:04 <wendyreid> ... to that end it seems to me that there were some misunderstandings about EPUB3 and the charter direction
15:38:29 <wendyreid> ... my thought was a webinar that focuses on that feedback and addresses the misconceptions
15:38:48 <Avneesh> q+
15:38:49 <dauwhe> present+
15:39:03 <wendyreid> ... people are probably tired of long webinars, but an informative one would be good
15:39:08 <tzviya> ack bi
15:39:12 <wendyreid> ... we don't want to open charter discussions
15:39:39 <wendyreid> Bill_Kasdorf: Back to the original ask, I like the idea of a meeting people can participate in
15:39:50 <wendyreid> ... it's an unfortunately opportune time, everyone is on zoom
15:39:57 <wendyreid> ... just call in and we can chat
15:40:18 <George> q+
15:40:21 <wendyreid> ... preceding that, having an informational webinar to clear things up and provide information
15:40:29 <wendyreid> ... then follow up with a discussion
15:40:44 <wendyreid> tzviya: Are you suggesting having 2 sessions
15:41:06 <wendyreid> Bill_Kasdorf: Yes, it's hard to get people to read things, but here's a 30-minute session on this topic and then we can discuss
15:41:22 <wendyreid> ... to Jeff's point, we got great response, share it
15:41:32 <tzviya> ack je
15:41:32 <Zakim> jeff__, you wanted to comment on Avneesh's comments
15:41:50 <wendyreid> jeff__: Ralph and Avneesh mentioned what the goals are
15:42:20 <wendyreid> ... I think that the SC meeting in Feb, we concluded that there's enough in the survey to move ahead with EPUB3 enhancements
15:42:26 <wendyreid> ... at a high level that won't change
15:42:37 <wendyreid> ... that alone is enough to move forward
15:42:49 <wendyreid> ... for me it's more the next level, we have all of this input
15:43:05 <wendyreid> ... we have things to look at for the CG, new features for EPUB 3.x
15:43:11 <wendyreid> ... some business ideas for the BG
15:43:19 <ivan> +1 to jeff__
15:43:20 <wendyreid> ... let's have a conversation about that
15:43:36 <wendyreid> ... it lets us hear the emotion and everything from the community
15:43:38 <tzviya> ack av
15:43:38 <ivan> q+
15:43:46 <wendyreid> Avneesh: Thanks Jeff, after hearing the other comments
15:44:02 <wendyreid> ... we could combine the approaches
15:44:12 <wendyreid> ... we should anchor this around the WG
15:44:40 <wendyreid> ... there's questions about backward compatibility, new features, we should build the confidence
15:44:47 <wendyreid> ... review what the WG will do
15:45:02 <wendyreid> ... communicate the goals, encourage people to join the CG
15:45:04 <garth> q?
15:45:20 <ivan> q-
15:45:29 <wendyreid> ... in the CG we can plan what the group should do with the interesting feedback
15:45:38 <wendyreid> ... move all of discussion to the CG
15:45:39 <tzviya> ack George
15:45:53 <garth> q?
15:46:06 <wendyreid> George: Totally agree with Avneesh, logistically the CG, it's hard to have a zoom meeting with 30+ people
15:46:10 <wendyreid> ... it gets confusing
15:46:30 <wendyreid> ... maybe if we could sort the issues that come to the CG and look at assigning them to task forces, then the task forces could meet
15:46:42 <wendyreid> ... not just limited to the CG
15:46:59 <wendyreid> ... if you are interested in this topic, broadcast that more broadly to the community
15:47:03 <tzviya> ack ra
15:47:03 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on two communities
15:47:25 <wendyreid> Ralph: Thinking on Avneesh's comments different purposes and styles of communication
15:47:32 <wendyreid> ... maybe the one open meeting is actually 2 meetings
15:47:46 <wendyreid> ... one is an information sharing meeting, how we are moving forwrd, what we are working on
15:47:56 <wendyreid> ... the other is a more traditional CG teleconference
15:48:03 <wendyreid> ... but open it more broadly
15:48:15 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:48:19 <wendyreid> ... make sure everyone understands the plans and we provide a forum for discussion
15:48:40 <tzviya> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:48:43 <wendyreid> ... maybe we need different meetings for different objectives
15:49:06 <wendyreid> Bill_Kasdorf: This meeting is for participants in the WG, BG, and CG
15:49:17 <wendyreid> ... how many people is that? Is that the audience we want?
15:49:22 <wendyreid> ... is our number 30 or 100
15:49:51 <wendyreid> tzviya: So this idea is fairly new, haven't thought of the guest list, I thought it should be open to everyone, not just members
15:49:59 <wendyreid> ... the membership doesn't have a count
15:50:03 <wendyreid> ... it's a large number
15:50:11 <wendyreid> ... we don't know how many would attend
15:50:21 <wendyreid> ... it can be unwieldy
15:50:45 <wendyreid> ... for this to be successful we'd need an informative section, and then a discussion ,with someone moderating the question
15:50:51 <wendyreid> ... we would need to have a "host"
15:51:03 <wendyreid> ... we would need to sort out those logistics
15:51:04 <Ralph> <ralph> the CG shows 35 individual participants
15:51:14 <wendyreid> ... my initial thought would be presenting the goals
15:51:19 <wendyreid> ... including the survey results
15:51:31 <wendyreid> ... establishing trust with the community
15:51:41 <wendyreid> ... a webinar is probably the best way to do it
15:51:44 <wendyreid> ... if executed well
15:51:54 <wendyreid> ... we also need to take our time
15:52:10 <wendyreid> ... no rush, none of the groups are fully formed, and we are in a lull, but so is everyone else
15:52:18 <Ralph> <ralph> the BG shows 66 individual participants
15:52:19 <wendyreid> ... I don't want to rush into this if we don't have to
15:52:29 <wendyreid> ... we don't need to make these decisions today either
15:52:39 <wendyreid> ... Wendy and I can put together a framework for this
15:52:45 <wendyreid> ... and we'll come back in 2 weeks
15:52:49 <wendyreid> ... AOB?
15:53:05 <wendyreid> George: Everyone saw Apple's donation?
15:53:15 <wendyreid> *collective yay!*
15:54:07 <wendyreid> garth: tzviya often steps forward to do these things, is maybe doing a few smaller sessions to prove if this will benefit
15:54:29 <wendyreid> ... is there a way to complete some of the initial issues and then do the remainder
15:54:44 <wendyreid> ... I want to see work that gets done and fosters reulsts and saves work for Tzviya
15:54:51 <wendyreid> ... gives the CG something to do
15:55:03 <wendyreid> ... having a list of 150 issues is overwhelming
15:55:12 <tzviya> ack ra
15:55:15 <wendyreid> ... give them a select list of deliverables
15:55:19 <wendyreid> Ralph: Important point
15:55:29 <wendyreid> ... I had been thinking moreabout the conversation
15:55:36 <wendyreid> ... encourage the conversation via issues
15:55:38 <George> +1 to high priority issues brought forward
15:55:53 <wendyreid> ... no reason to burden a group with 100 topics unless they're clearly interested
15:56:01 <wendyreid> tzviya: Thanks Garth, that's a good point
15:56:11 <wendyreid> ivan: Get all your friends to comment on the charter
15:56:15 <wendyreid> ... we need more feedback
15:56:18 <wendyreid> ... even thumbs up
15:56:38 <wendyreid> tzviya: Kudos to Garth for the thumbs up!
15:56:53 <wendyreid> garth: have a good weekend folks!
15:59:26 <Ralph> zakim, end meeting
15:59:26 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Daihei, ivan, george, wendyreid, Ralph, Avneesh, Tzviya, BillK, Bill_Kasdorf, jeff, garth, dauwhe
15:59:28 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:59:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/05/01-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
15:59:31 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
15:59:35 <Zakim> Zakim has left #pbgsc
16:13:36 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
16:13:36 <RRSAgent> I see no action items