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20:48:21 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
20:48:37 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG DCAT Subgroup
20:48:57 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.04.15
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21:11:44 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
21:11:49 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:13:11 <PWinstanley> present+
21:13:21 <SimonCox> present+
21:13:26 <alejandra> present+
21:13:38 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
21:14:13 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.04.15
21:14:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> yes
21:14:43 <PWinstanley> topic: mid-term plan and priorities
21:15:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:15:19 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/27
21:15:28 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: alejandra set up a milestone, put issues into it.  riccardoAlbertoni also added issues
21:15:31 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:16:16 <SimonCox> There is a lot of interest in dataset-series
21:16:29 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: I checked the DCAT3 milestone today and realised that there are issues in feedback that needs to be included.  I suggest that we include that as it is important to acknowledge it
21:16:31 <alejandra> +1 to including all the feedback first
21:16:39 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Afeedback+label%3Adcat+-milestone%3A%22DCAT3+FPWD%22+
21:16:45 <PWinstanley> ... and to consider it early in this next roung
21:16:58 <PWinstanley> alejandra: should we do a milestone for feedback?
21:17:11 <alejandra> +q
21:17:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:17:12 <PWinstanley> I think that is a good idea
21:17:15 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:17:48 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to go in parallel..
21:18:05 <SimonCox> dataset series here: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/868
21:18:19 <PWinstanley> alejandra: I think it is important to reply to feedback, but perhaps in parallel we can look at new requirements so that we can also make progress in the new features.  If we only address feedback we will get behind with progress on v3
21:18:24 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:19:27 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: I agree with alejandra .  The acknowledgement could just include open issue - but we also need to look to a 1st PWD later this year and so we need to progress with the new requirements
21:20:45 <alejandra> +q
21:20:50 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: the link - on dataset series - is in the milestone, but it comes up every few months and we need to provide some guidance for those with systematic data acquisition to catalogue
21:20:55 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:22:15 <PWinstanley> alejandra: that is a topic that is important - I am interested, it is also in the milestone.  One of the things we could do is to include all the feedback and also to start on dataset series.  The discussion needs to be developed.
21:22:37 <PWinstanley> action: SimonCox to progress the work on dataset series
21:22:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-415 - Progress the work on dataset series [on Simon Cox - due 2020-04-22].
21:22:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:23:14 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:24:15 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: we already included version in the work for v3 and there is some work by Dave that we can use to start.  I'm not confident in my being able to lead but I am happy to contribute
21:25:37 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: I think we need strawman proposals to shape discussion and to guide work
21:26:30 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: I can try to revise what we have done and propose a direction
21:26:57 <PWinstanley> action: riccardoAlbertoni  to revise versioning and prepare a straw man
21:26:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-416 -  to revise versioning and prepare a straw man [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2020-04-22].
21:27:24 <alejandra> +q
21:27:31 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:28:23 <PWinstanley> alejandra: it would be great to start on the primer, but on one side we would be starting a primer on DCAT 2, but we need a primer that is in place for DCAT 3 when we publish
21:29:07 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: I agree.  But I think is should be modular rather than monolithic, and it should focus amongst other things on the use cases
21:29:19 <alejandra> +1
21:30:29 <PWinstanley> action: PWinstanley to set up straw man for primer
21:30:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-417 - Set up straw man for primer [on Peter Winstanley - due 2020-04-22].
21:30:46 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:30:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/04/15-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:30:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:31:19 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.overleaf.com/project/5dcafcbf13c76400013e2676
21:31:21 <AndreaPerego> topic: DCAT paper
21:33:21 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: there is a draft of one paper that needs to be reviewed and feedback given to riccardoAlbertoni .  There are no examples in the paper, but I have tried to put in sections 3 and 4 the new features of DCAT 2.  THis could feed into the primer, perhaps
21:34:00 <PWinstanley> ... there are still actions to be completed, esp. section 7 - so if anyone can start to draft this and other missing sections that would be appreciated.
21:34:04 <alejandra> +q
21:34:18 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:34:21 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:35:08 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:35:15 <PWinstanley> alejandra: I will try to book time to look at this, but it would be good to have a discussion sooner rather than later about the journal, audience, etc so that we get the tenor and style right
21:35:22 <PWinstanley> ... SWJ, perhaps?
21:35:45 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: isnt' that too esoteric, and perhaps something in the LIS area?
21:36:01 <PWinstanley> alejandra: indeed, and that is why I think we need this discussion
21:37:40 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:37:53 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:38:51 <alejandra> Two possible options: Data Science Journal or CODATA journal
21:38:55 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: one option might be something with a broad audience such as ACM
21:38:59 <alejandra> +q
21:39:34 <alejandra> Another option is PeerJ Computer Science
21:40:29 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: the way the paper is organised currently is more appropriate for SWJ as it is quite technical.  If we wanted to address a wider community perhaps something as AndreaPerego was suggesting,we would need to restructure the paper considerably
21:40:47 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:41:11 <PWinstanley> alejandra: let's make a google doc and try to sort the options
21:41:32 <PWinstanley> action: alejandra to set up list of options for the publication
21:41:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-418 - Set up list of options for the publication [on Alejandra Gonzalez Beltran - due 2020-04-22].
21:41:39 <SimonCox> Data Science Journal is a good idea - CODATA is interested in infrastructure
21:42:24 <PWinstanley> topic: issues as specified as section 3 in the agenda
21:42:32 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:42:38 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:43:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 maxk view
21:43:16 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:44:08 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: I am in favour of the Makx view to not be prescriptive - whatever the user wants
21:44:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1221#issuecomment-604546874
21:44:51 <PWinstanley> ... my impression was that the conversation was converging, - I wonder if we can restart from the end of the sentences in this link and modify the content.
21:45:33 <SimonCox> q+
21:45:49 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
21:47:20 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: my feeling was that we were getting stuck in different "camps" based on work areas.
21:48:10 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: I firmly take the view that it is a catalogue and the dataset aspect is purely a historical requirement given the government open data requirement in the early days of DCAT v1
21:51:24 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:51:36 <alejandra> +q
21:52:05 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:53:31 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I agree with what has been discussed - we already have a sense of using DCAT in non-traditional ways in the geospatial community, for example, where it could be physical resources.  From the domain perspective these might not be supposed to be in the catalogue, but ....
21:54:11 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: 'catalog' is the primary application, not 'dataset'
21:55:31 <PWinstanley> ... I think this is related to discussion on what constitutes a dataset.  there may be an interoperability risk here, if we don't decide on this then the envelope might be pushed in such a way that leads to a proliferation of resource types that cease to be interoperable.  So we need to guide through the primer on how to do the job whilst having an eye on maintaining interoperability
21:55:39 <PWinstanley> q?
21:55:53 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:56:45 <SimonCox> DCAT = 'Digital Catalog Vocabualry'
21:57:13 <SimonCox> +1
21:57:25 <PWinstanley> alejandra: I agree with the points made - the name doesn't help, because we still talk about data catalogue vocabulary.  It is probably too late to change the acronym, but we need to perhaps call it "DCAT Catalogue Vocab" or something that shows that it supports any cataloguing
21:57:57 <alejandra> https://codemeta.github.io/
21:58:37 <PWinstanley> ... in another group - codemeta - to do with citations they are thinking of extending schema, and I was suggesting DCAT - so we need to reach out to people in this situation
21:58:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:58:54 <alejandra> I like the idea of Digital Catalog Vocabulary!
21:59:22 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:59:33 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: are we going to have a call next week?
21:59:45 <PWinstanley> +0
21:59:46 <AndreaPerego> +1 from me to have regular calls
21:59:55 <SimonCox> +0.5
21:59:57 <riccardoAlbertoni> +0
21:59:58 <alejandra> +0
22:00:43 <SimonCox> fortnightly
22:01:14 <PWinstanley> next meeting on 2020-04-29T21:00:00 ?
22:01:32 <AndreaPerego> +1
22:01:39 <alejandra> +1
22:01:41 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
22:02:19 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks bye !
22:02:20 <PWinstanley> bye
22:02:34 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:02:37 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
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