IRC log of tt on 2020-04-09

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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
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Present: Nigel, Gary, Glenn, Pierre
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Chair: Nigel, Gary
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Present+ Atsushi, Andreas
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Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2020/04/02-tt-minutes.html
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Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/106
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Topic: This meeting
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Nigel: Only 2 things on the agenda: IMSC/Rec link and TTML2 Tests
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.. AOB?
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group: [no Other Business]
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Topic: IMSC 1.2 /rec link
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Nigel: There's been input from Atsushi, Philippe and Pierre on this. Status?
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Atsushi: It seems I cannot create the final product only using Respec, so maybe it will be
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.. easiest to copy the finished public HTML and make the edits manually for the GitHub
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.. branch and in-place publication.
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.. If that is okay and we do not need to edit the Respec-based file on GitHub that would be easier.
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Pierre: It'd be better if GitHub matches exactly what was published. What is the challenge?
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Atsushi: There is no feature to add some text right after dates in Respec-based HTML.
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.. That is the critical thing we need to do.
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Pierre: My suggestion is to file an issue with Respec.
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.. In the past for issues that block publication they have fixed it very quickly.
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.. That's my suggestion - file an issue with Respec.
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Atsushi: One question is how the current file was published. Do you know?
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.. It seems there is some local editing of the HTML since I encountered the ID conflict
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.. in IMSC 1.0.1.
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Pierre: The editor does not do the publication so I cannot tell you.
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.. But by the way I see that there is a post-process Javascript, so we can use that to modify the title.
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Atsushi: I thought that at some point there is a difficulty in getting the exact element to
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.. append to. It seems there is no ID for the element by default.
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Pierre: You might be right, but my point is still that we should at least file an issue with Respec
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.. and give us 2-3 weeks. If there's no resolution then we'll have to do it manually.
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.. Other things being equal it would be better to fix the tool.
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.. Otherwise we will keep running into the same issue.
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Atsushi: Maybe a stupid question: do we want to keep the Respec version of HTML for
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.. future edits? Do we have any plan to update the revisions?
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.. Like 1.1 revision 2 or something?
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Pierre: That's not been the case in the past - in the case of 1.0 we ultimately published
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.. 1.0.1 instead of 1.0 v2.
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Atsushi: I wonder if we don't expect large edits on existing Recs then it might be okay to
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.. just have the published HTML.
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.. in the GitHub repository.
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Pierre: I would really rather not.
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.. It seems like a huge step backward to keep track of the complete HTML.
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.. Respec is an officially supported publishing tool.
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Nigel: I'd support Pierre in that - we don't need to keep the published HTML in GitHub
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.. for archival purposes - that's already on /TR and backed up separately.
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.. The GitHub repo is for us to work on, so it makes sense to keep the Respec version.
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Atsushi: Okay let me file a feature request to Respec and in parallel find a way to do something.
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Nigel: Sounds good, thank you.
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Atsushi: How do we do IMSC 1.2 CR? For CR there is no in-place replacement process so
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.. we need to publish a new CR.
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Pierre: Just wait until PR.
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Atsushi: It's fine to keep this open until PR?
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Pierre: My understanding is that publishing a new CR is difficult.
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.. If it is trivial then let's do it otherwise keep this open until PR.
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Nigel: I would ask for a pragmatic response from the team on this, because there's no
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.. change to the document content.
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Atsushi: There's no requirement to pass reviews for an editorial document update, so
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.. it should be fine to reissue the transition request if there's a CfC.
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Nigel: I will not issue a new CfC because we already have a minuted resolution for this.
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Atsushi: OK, let me submit that way and issue a pull request to update the document.
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Nigel: OK, sounds good to me. Thank you.
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Topic: TTML2 2nd Edition Implementation Report
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Nigel: Tests are still being reviewed and merged one by one.
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.. We have 6 issues on ttml2-tests for 2nd Edition, and
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.. 4 open Pull Requests.
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Glenn: I have a couple of tweaks to make on the lineheight normal test, a shear test change
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.. to make, a couple of possible bugs. I should be able to wrap those up then make a run
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.. on the implementation report itself.
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.. So nothing more to discuss right now I think.
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Topic: AOB
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Nigel: There's a new CSS issue on ruby offset, you may be interested in.
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Glenn: I had planned to put that in a future Ruby module, but don't plan to do any work
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.. on it at the moment.
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-> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4932 [w3c/csswg-drafts] [css-ruby] Ruby offset (#4932)
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Nigel: Just for information - I pointed out that we used to have ruby offset in TTML2 but
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.. removed it, in part because of the lack of CSS implementation.
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Topic: Meeting close
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Nigel: Thanks everyone, we've completed our agenda, so we'll close for today.
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.. Do add agenda items to the agenda issue on GitHub please, by Tuesday, so the Chairs
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.. can prepare the agenda.
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