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15:41:32 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ivan
15:41:50 <ivan> Meeting: DID Working Group Telco
15:41:50 <ivan> Chair: burn
15:41:50 <ivan> Date: 2020-03-03
15:41:52 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-did-wg/2020Feb/0045.html
15:41:54 <ivan> /topic Meeting Agenda 2020-03-03: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-did-wg/2020Feb/0045.html
15:42:14 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2020-03-03: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-did-wg/2020Feb/0045.html
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16:02:31 <phila> scribeNick: phila
16:02:34 <burn> Topic: Agenda Review, Introductions, Re-introductions
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16:03:17 <phila> burn: Already an item added - invitation to the RWOT meeting
16:03:21 <yancy> present+
16:03:31 <phila> ... then scheduling a topic all
16:03:45 <phila> ... then items we started at the F2F (lots of calls to action)
16:04:02 <phila> ... majority of the call will be issue status checking
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16:04:14 <phila> burn: Anyone here for the first time?
16:04:19 <phila> [no]
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16:04:31 <phila> burn: Anyone like to re-introduce yourself. yancy?
16:04:51 <phila> yancy: I was originally a member of the VC WG
16:04:58 <phila> ... changed affiliation now
16:05:20 <phila> ... now independent contractor, working on bitcoin and blockchain tech
16:05:44 <phila> ... here to add input when possible, helping out when I can as I think the tech is interesting with lots of use cases
16:05:52 <burn> Topic: WoT meeting invite
16:06:01 <burn> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_16-19_March_2020,_Online
16:06:19 <phila> burn: The WoT group will be meeting w/c 16 March
16:06:23 <burn> 30m on Wednesday from 8am-8:30am EST
16:06:24 <phila> ... reserved a 30 min time slot
16:06:41 <jonathan_holt> present+ jonathan_holt
16:06:42 <manu> q+ to volunteer to go and present.
16:06:53 <burn> ack manu
16:06:53 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to volunteer to go and present.
16:06:55 <phila> ... would love to have someone come and present on DIDs, looking at collaboration, especially around discovery
16:07:16 <phila> manu: I've already volunteered, but if someone feels more strongly, please feel free to do so
16:07:29 <phila> burn: Anyone here is welcome to join.
16:08:06 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_16-19_March_2020,_Online WoT F2F wiki page
16:08:27 <burn> Topic: Schedule Topic Call
16:08:44 <phila> burn: There was a Doodle poll sent out
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16:09:00 <phila> -> https://doodle.com/poll/ztvun7vatamu2yz9 Doodle poll
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16:09:24 <agropper> present+
16:09:38 <phila> burn: Seeing some good availability on Thursday
16:09:42 <phila> ... No clear winner
16:10:02 <phila> ... I will declare that this call will be Thursday 5 March noon EST
16:10:44 <phila> burn: That call will be on registry/registries as we determine
16:11:00 <phila> ... There are def deff pieces of info that need to be stored
16:11:15 <phila> ... We will have the editots of the doc be ready to lead a discussion
16:11:30 <ivan> s/editots/editors/
16:11:34 <phila> burn: Decisions will not be taken on that call, those are taken in an issue or a pull request
16:11:38 <burn> q?
16:11:44 <burn> Topic: Matrix Parameters - call to action
16:11:56 <burn> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ttRWB2lwYSw7bZMRY6wTY9lzGaHcSvOKFYfNZaBBS_4/edit#heading=h.lcyr1j1pzkp2
16:11:58 <phila> burn: This is from the F2F meetings
16:12:06 <phila> burn: 2 parts to the assignment
16:12:23 <phila> ... proponents were to come up with the use case that they believe can only be accomplished by MPs
16:12:26 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya_Siegman
16:12:32 <markus_sabadello> Github issue about matrix parameters: https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/159
16:12:46 <phila> ... and those who are opponents, to provide concrete guidance on how those use cases can be solved in other ways
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16:13:01 <dmitriz> present+
16:13:18 <phila> burn: This is important if you are against matrix parameters. You need to show how to do it without MPs in detail
16:13:31 <selfissued> q+
16:13:33 <phila> burn: We need to cut off this part of the assignment so we can move on.
16:13:34 <manu> q+ to ask where to add the "you can do it this way" to the document?
16:13:40 <phila> burn: 17 March is the deadline
16:13:43 <burn> q?
16:13:48 <burn> ack selfissued
16:14:08 <phila> selfissued: The doc you're talking about...
16:14:09 <markus_sabadello> q+
16:14:33 <phila> selfissued: Is the document you're talking about titled the Web address portability use case?
16:14:37 <phila> burn: Yes
16:14:53 <phila> ... That's why I'm describing the issue, not the title
16:15:16 <phila> burn: Feel free to add your additional use cases that you feel require MPs
16:15:33 <phila> ... There are places where you can add examples of how this can be achieved in other ways
16:15:53 <phila> selfissued: This is so simple as to not need an assignment. Just use a query parameter
16:16:03 <phila> burn: Please just write your commnet in the doc
16:16:26 <dlongley> please elaborate on the exact use case/example, don't just write "Use a query parameter, it's simple." :)
16:16:29 <phila> burn: There are requirements on both sides (for and against MPs). Need detail both ways
16:16:40 <phila> ... This is an information-gathering exercise
16:16:42 <manu> q-
16:16:47 <dbuc> There is going to be an issue with name-spacing query parameters, and the ordering of resolution-required params vs actual query params in a URL string
16:16:55 <phila> selfissued: Where do I put this in the doc, it's so strangely structured
16:16:57 <burn> ack markus_sabadello
16:17:09 <phila> markus_sabadello: We can probably improve the title of the doc
16:17:21 <phila> markus_sabadello: I thought the assignment was to focus on one use case.
16:17:25 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:17:25 <Zakim> Present: burn, ivan, sumita, justin, Identitywoman, drummond, phila, justin_r, selfissued, markus, markus_sabadello, rhiaro, Orie, dlongley, yancy, jonathan_holt, chriswinc,
16:17:29 <Zakim> ... agropper, Tzviya_Siegman, dmitriz
16:17:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see dmitriz, JoeAndrieu, agropper, jonathan_holt, dbuc, Orie, markus_sabadello, selfissued, justin_r, phila, Identitywoman, sumita, Eugeniu_Rusu, burn, RRSAgent, Zakim,
16:17:29 <Zakim> ... ivan, tzviya, llorllale, chriswinc, deiu, wayne, dlehn, manu, dlongley, Travis, bigbluehat, jfishback, ChristopherA, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, yancy
16:17:57 <phila> markus_sabadello: I believe there was strong support fr the use case itself, it's a question of whether matrix parameters are needed to solve this use case
16:18:05 <selfissued> q+
16:18:13 <burn> ack selfissued
16:18:19 <phila> burn: There's a section in that doc I think for how to achieve the ends without MPs, I believe
16:18:21 <ivan> present+ dpuc
16:18:52 <phila> selfissued: I'm not trying to get into to the discussion but the doc already says it can be done with query parameters, proving MPs aren't necessary
16:19:10 <phila> burn: Repeats need for the info-gathering
16:19:28 <ivan> present+ chriswinc, dlongley, JoeAndrieu
16:19:30 <phila> JoeAndrieu: You're shifting the homework to cover multiple use cases, not just one
16:19:42 <phila> burn: Doubles down on the definition of the homework
16:19:55 <justin_r> +1 to the chairs statement; I understood it was to gather use cases and identify one killer one
16:20:15 <dbuc> q+
16:20:20 <phila> [Back and forth between Joe and Burn]
16:20:40 <phila> burn: This is an opportunity for anyone who believes they have a killer use case to add it
16:20:41 <dbuc> I am on the phone, so when called, you may need to unmute me from your side
16:20:58 <phila> burn: Clearly the 2 of you have added what you think is the best shot
16:21:02 <jonathan_holt> there is a nice RWOT paper on the arguement
16:21:03 <burn> Topic: Metadata - call to action
16:21:11 <phila> burn: metadata is not about use cases per se
16:21:13 <dbuc> There
16:21:16 <phila> q?
16:21:17 <burn> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WoHIA5MzC-kKdyS3XVp5qT-ZiNUbpqXH59g3Q9Fnk04/edit?usp=sharing
16:21:24 <ivan> present+ Eugeniu_Rusu, jonathan_holt
16:21:30 <dbuc> There's a heck of a lot more to consider than positive, killer use cases
16:21:43 <dbuc> for Matrix params/URL params
16:21:50 <phila> burn: The metadata doc ... the work during the F2F was to collect a set of potential properties/pieces of info that you might think belong
16:21:54 <phila> ... as data/metadata
16:22:04 <markus_sabadello> Github issue for the metadata discussion: https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/65
16:22:10 <phila> ... so we could figure out the categories of information
16:22:34 <phila> burn: Short descriptions, not a naming exercise. Talk about what it's for and where it comes from
16:22:53 <phila> burn: e.g. provided by the generator of the DID, or otherwise
16:22:56 <burn> q?
16:22:59 <ivan> regrets+ brent
16:23:00 <phila> burn: Also a 2 week deadline on that
16:23:02 <burn> ack dbuc
16:23:28 <phila> dbuc: I'm starting to type in this doc...
16:23:47 <phila> dbuc: I don't see it as being about one use case, there are other factors that might be more compelling
16:24:10 <phila> ... for example, if you just use query params that need to be parsed first, how do you display that in the URL bar?
16:24:36 <phila> ... a browser would have to parse out the order-independent params and grey those out
16:24:58 <phila> burn: I'm going to stop this discussion. We've spent 15 mins on what was meant to be a reminder
16:25:12 <phila> ... It's not a decision point. WE're gathering info so that we can move forward
16:25:24 <Orie> dbuc put those UI concerns in the document.
16:25:29 <phila> burn: Anyone not understand what the purpose of that exercise was?
16:25:37 <manu> q+
16:25:45 <burn> ack manu
16:25:54 <phila> manu: I thought I understood, but I want to confirm
16:26:05 <phila> ... It looks to me like... we're onto the metadata one?
16:26:26 <phila> manu: OK... Im concened that I dont understand what's going on at this point. Others are confused as well.
16:26:36 <phila> ... There's trepidation when we say we're going to cut off input
16:26:42 <dbuc> Orie: "<Orie> dbuc put those UI concerns in the document." - I am not sure they want that in this doc
16:26:52 <phila> manu: It feel like we're done on MPs, but I don't see people adding new argumnets
16:26:58 <markus_sabadello> q+
16:27:01 <phila> manu: With metadata, it seems more about classification
16:27:22 <markus_sabadello> q-
16:27:25 <phila> burn: We're talking about metadata and what you just said is correct
16:27:26 <dbuc> It sounds like it's about positive use cases that are the "killer use cases"
16:27:47 <phila> burn: It's a classification exercise. People disagree about the different categories of data/metadata
16:27:55 <phila> ... We want to see what people have in mind
16:28:06 <phila> ... Trying to reduce hand waving
16:28:32 <burn> q?
16:28:35 <phila> burn: Any other questions about the metadata doc?
16:28:43 <burn> Topic: Issue status check
16:28:56 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-asc
16:29:17 <phila> s/ point. WE're / point. We're
16:29:27 <phila> burn: We'll start at the top
16:29:30 <phila> Issue-119
16:29:38 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/119
16:30:02 <phila> burn: Intent here is to ask the assignee what the status is and if blocked, what's needed.
16:30:22 <phila> burn: I'm the assignee here. We'll start this one up when the doc text is more coherent
16:30:34 <phila> burn: We just restructured the doc. It's not easy to read right now
16:30:42 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/118
16:30:53 <phila> Topic: Issue 118
16:31:11 <rhiaro> burn, sorry, haven't looked at that
16:31:16 <phila> burn: This probably falls into the same category. Assigned to rhiaro
16:31:44 <rhiaro> burn, yes, can do
16:31:49 <phila> burn: Please just put a comment in along the lines I did for the other one, or when you'll look at it
16:31:56 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/72
16:32:02 <phila> Topic: Issue-72
16:32:09 <phila> burn: Also assigned to rhiaro
16:32:21 <rhiaro> burn, no, I'm not sure why that's assigned to me
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16:32:26 <rhiaro> burn, I can help with editorial, but not actual content
16:32:44 <phila> burn: You assigned yourself ;-)
16:32:50 <Kimhd> Present+
16:33:01 <rhiaro> maybe I thought I could help, I'll look again
16:33:19 <rhiaro> burn, yes, that seems feasible
16:33:21 <phila> burn: Comment from Markus there. Looks like he suggested a term change...
16:33:44 <phila> manu: It was Drummond before, I can switch it back
16:33:49 <phila> burn: Thanks Manu
16:33:49 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/10
16:33:55 <phila> Topic: Issue-10
16:34:02 <phila> burn: Assigned to selfissued
16:34:11 <phila> selfissued: Let me look it up
16:34:12 <manu> q+ to note that we need a special call for this, and should skip it.
16:34:36 <phila> burn: Now that you know we're doing this each week, you might want to look through before the call and be ready
16:34:54 <phila> selfissued: This is tightly tied to the registry decision, as well as another issue...
16:35:16 <phila> ... we shouldn't be referencing non-normative registries not under the control of the WG
16:35:29 <phila> burn: If you can add those 2 comments, that would be good
16:35:29 <manu> q?
16:35:33 <burn> ack manu
16:35:33 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that we need a special call for this, and should skip it.
16:35:35 <phila> burn: The goal is to moveissues forward
16:35:57 <justin_r> +1, I think there's a larger discussion here as well; it's a scoping issue
16:36:06 <phila> manu: We need a special call on this. There's a larger discussion around crypto with some disagreement. Issue 10 and 8 fall into that
16:36:23 <phila> manu: Lots of discussion to be had on these topics on a special call
16:36:28 <dlongley> +1 there are a lot of issues around that subject (crypto, expressing required crypto, scope, so on)
16:36:37 <phila> ... chairs currently scheduling a call for that
16:36:51 <phila> burn: You're in a differnet role here, Manu, as an Editor
16:37:19 <phila> burn: If editors believe that progress can't be made without a decision, say so
16:37:35 <phila> ... No reason not to put opinions into GitHub - that's valuable
16:37:40 <burn> s/decision/discussion/
16:37:54 <phila> burn: We just talked about 8
16:37:56 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/8
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16:38:34 <phila> burn: I'll put ... you're right, you have asked the chairs to schedule a call on that, which makes it assigned to me and Brent
16:38:46 <burn> q?
16:38:47 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/195
16:38:47 <phila> Topic: Issue-195
16:39:00 <phila> burn: Assigned to Tobias
16:39:16 <phila> burn: Anyone else want to comment?
16:39:34 <phila> manu: This is semi-blocked by the registry discussion
16:39:42 <phila> ... I can put that in there
16:39:54 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/185
16:39:57 <phila> Topic: Issue-185
16:40:31 <phila> manu: We continue t have a discussion about this. It feels like we came to a resolution and then the conversation shifted. I can put something to that effect in here
16:40:45 <phila> burn: You can propose to close the issue and take up a new one
16:41:00 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/65
16:41:00 <phila> Topic: Issue-65
16:41:20 <phila> burn: Oh, metadata, never mind...
16:41:35 <phila> burn: You have next steps proposed, Markus...
16:41:55 <phila> ... So we're still waiting on this over the 2 week timeout
16:41:59 <Orie> should there be github tags for "2-week-timeout" ?
16:42:03 <Orie> on issues?
16:42:43 <phila> burn: Not for this occasion, unless this becomes a common theme of the group
16:42:51 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/34
16:42:51 <phila> Topic: Issue-34
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16:43:18 <phila> burn: Markus - looks like you pinged Drummond but haven't heard back?
16:43:59 <markus_sabadello> Sorry I lost audio..
16:44:13 <jonathan_holt> q+
16:44:32 <markus_sabadello> Status of #34 is that I made a proposal but there hasn't been any discussion. This is about whether empty method-specific IDs should be allowed, e.g. did:btcr:<empty>
16:44:39 <burn> ack jonathan_holt
16:44:42 <markus_sabadello> Please add opinions
16:44:56 <jonathan_holt> bad audio
16:45:05 <jonathan_holt> q-
16:45:08 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/198
16:45:15 <phila> Topic: Issue-198
16:45:28 <phila> burn: Also Markus
16:45:51 <justin_r> q+ to maybe help
16:45:53 <phila> burn: We'll need an update on this one when you get a chance please
16:46:03 <burn> ack justin_r
16:46:03 <Zakim> justin_r, you wanted to maybe help
16:46:31 <phila> markus_sabadello: I lost audio. regarding Issue-34
16:46:45 <phila> ... Its; about whether empty method-specific IDs should be allowed.
16:46:59 <phila> ... There was strong support to add ?? section to the spec
16:47:16 <phila> s/ Its; a/ It's a
16:47:45 <phila> markus_sabadello: ... It's about the relationship between DIDs, DIS documents, DID URLs etc
16:47:58 <phila> burn: Who is taking the next step
16:48:17 <phila> markus_sabadello: I can add more but maybe others want to?
16:48:48 <phila> burn: It sounds like you're waiting for others to comment. In that case can you please add a comment to that effect in the issue?
16:48:55 <phila> burn: And you're asking for volunteers
16:48:57 <justin_r> +q to volunteerish
16:49:02 <burn> ack justin_r
16:49:03 <Zakim> justin_r, you wanted to volunteerish
16:49:29 <phila> justin_r: I am happy t help out with a little of that language. I can't take the main pen but gladly give you a hand for the right kind of connection language
16:49:41 <phila> ... I think we're close to each other on what needs to go in there
16:49:54 <phila> ... If you take a swing at it, and ping me, I'll take a look
16:49:54 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/85
16:49:57 <dlongley> q+
16:49:58 <phila> Topic: Issue-85
16:50:19 <phila> burn: Assigned to selfissued
16:50:45 <phila> selfissued: This is related to the metadata issue - this *is* the metadata issue
16:50:55 <phila> burn: I believe you're correct.
16:51:08 <phila> ... This is not showing any kind of recent update
16:51:20 <phila> selfissued: What's the issue number for the metadata issue? Is this it?
16:51:41 <dlongley> q?
16:51:43 <phila> 65 is the one you're looking for
16:51:54 <jonathan_holt> really bad connection today.  I just want to suggest tagging issues with "enhancement" and make a proposal for a DIP (DID Improvement Proposal) similar to Bitcoin's BIP.
16:51:59 <phila> burn: That's helpful - need to make sure we capture links between issues
16:52:00 <burn> ack dlongley
16:52:25 <Orie> +1 to dlongley
16:52:27 <phila> dlongley: I just wanted to say I was hoping we could close 85 and reference 65 as it went in that direction
16:52:42 <phila> burn: Can you please write that as a comment in 85
16:52:45 <phila> dlongley: Yep
16:52:50 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/160
16:52:54 <phila> Topic: Issue-160
16:53:13 <phila> burn: Submitted by selfissued
16:53:23 <phila> burn: How can we move this one forward
16:53:51 <phila> selfissued: I added a comment to this effect - we need to add to the doc the registry language and then excise the language about there being no dependence on registries
16:54:24 <phila> burn: From a status perpsective, who will do what?
16:54:40 <phila> selfissued: I can write a PR to remove the language that's false, but I can't write the registry language
16:55:04 <phila> burn: We have a separate doc with a separate repo for registry stuff so we can work there
16:55:14 <burn> q?
16:55:15 <burn> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/161
16:55:25 <phila> Topic: Issue-161
16:55:29 <phila> burn: Also from selfissued
16:55:41 <phila> burn: You have instructions on what to do. But again, who is going to do what next?
16:55:59 <phila> selfissued: I do not have the expertise to write about graph based and tree-based
16:56:22 <phila> ... So those who advocate keeping those terms should write that. I can write a PR to remove the terms
16:56:49 <manu> q+ to note that editors will get to it eventually, but will not merge something that removes that distinction.
16:56:59 <phila> burn: Our suggestion is - if someone in the Wg wants changes to the wording in the doc, they write the change as a PR
16:57:13 <burn> ack manu
16:57:13 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that editors will get to it eventually, but will not merge something that removes that distinction.
16:57:19 <phila> burn: If you write a PR that just deletes, that's going to cause a problem
16:57:26 <Orie> can we just agree that trees are a special case of graphs and be done ; )
16:57:47 <phila> manu: The editors will get to a definition in due course. Mike please don't write a PR to remove those terms. It will create a conflict
16:58:04 <phila> selfissued: Its deeper than that. These terms don't create actionable text
16:58:18 <phila> burn: So we need a PR to define those terms
16:58:22 <phila> manu: Will do
16:58:31 <phila> selfissued: I'll read it when I see it
16:58:51 <phila> burn: This is an attempt to move the discussion to GH, not to stop the discussion
16:58:57 <phila> burn: We are out of time
16:59:05 <phila> ... I won't try and do 'just one more'
16:59:19 <phila> ... Any more comments that people want to make today?
16:59:25 <phila> burn: Thanks everyone
16:59:31 <ivan> zakim, end meeting
16:59:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been burn, ivan, sumita, justin, Identitywoman, drummond, phila, justin_r, selfissued, markus, markus_sabadello, rhiaro, Orie, dlongley, yancy,
16:59:34 <Zakim> ... jonathan_holt, chriswinc, agropper, Tzviya_Siegman, dmitriz, dpuc, JoeAndrieu, Eugeniu_Rusu, Kimhd
16:59:34 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:59:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/03/03-did-minutes.html Zakim
16:59:34 <Orie> thanks!
16:59:36 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, ivan; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
16:59:37 <phila> === Meeting adjourned ===
16:59:39 <JoeAndrieu> JoeAndrieu has left #did
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17:00:12 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
17:00:12 <RRSAgent> I see no action items