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20:40:40 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
20:40:53 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Antoine
20:41:01 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
20:41:19 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.02.18
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20:41:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/18-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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21:09:37 <annette_g> scribe: annette_g
21:10:10 <annette_g> topic: admin
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21:10:35 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2020/02/11-dxwg-minutes
21:10:39 <Makx> present+ Makx
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21:10:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> +0 ( I was not there)
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21:12:13 <PWinstanley> resolved: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2020/02/11-dxwg-minutes
21:12:44 <annette_g> topic: DCAT version 3
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21:13:40 <annette_g> PWinstanley: splitting of github repo has resulted in some polarized views, some proposals for a staged approach. Antoine was pointing out that it's going to take quite a bit of effort if we do split.
21:13:58 <roba> q+
21:14:00 <ncar> q+
21:14:00 <Ana> Present+ Ana
21:14:12 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:15:01 <annette_g> roba: Antoine quoted a message from the email archives but not my response, which doesn't appear in the email archive. I wondered if anyone else had seen issues with messages not appearing in the archives.
21:15:14 <annette_g> PWinstanley: That's in issue 1216
21:15:19 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1216
21:16:08 <PWinstanley> q?
21:16:15 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:17:35 <annette_g> ncar: I have no problem with splitting the repository. I understand why we had them all together. If there's no or little overlap, then I don't see why we shouldn't split those. (reiterates Karen's analysis)
21:17:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:17:58 <annette_g> PWinstanley: simon, you have a similar view, right? and rob?
21:18:24 <annette_g> SimonCox: yes, keeping conversations distinct and keeping builds distinct is best practice.
21:18:31 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:18:40 <annette_g> ... also, release tags and such make more sense
21:19:06 <SimonCox> q+
21:19:23 <annette_g> riccardoAlbertoni: my only concern is references to github issues that already exist. My recommendation is to leave DCAT in the repo and split out the others.
21:19:43 <annette_g> PWinstanley: that would be leaving all the content in the current github and to set up clones for prof and conneg work?
21:19:47 <ncar> q+
21:19:56 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
21:20:06 <annette_g> riccardoAlbertoni: I think it's important to keep DCAT in place, would like to hear from others.
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21:20:29 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:20:35 <annette_g> SimonCox: If some of the other docs have links in the tracker, the links stay in there, they don't break because you've closed it.
21:20:37 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:20:42 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:20:43 <SimonCox> When you close an issue, you can still link to it. So the trick would be to put a forward pointer at the bottom of the issue conversation.
21:20:51 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:21:47 <annette_g> ncar: I'm not sure we can leave DCAT in place rather than close it out.
21:21:55 <PWinstanley> q?
21:21:59 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:22:25 <ncar> An archived repo: https://github.com/CSIRO-enviro-informatics/Place-Names and it's successor: https://github.com/GeoscienceAustralia/Place-Names/
21:22:42 <annette_g> riccardoAlbertoni: what I'd like to avoid is that we have many repos about DCAT.
21:23:06 <ncar> SHACL has many repos in the one space: https://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/
21:24:13 <roba> q+\
21:24:13 <annette_g> PWinstanley: the question is whether we stick with what we've got or split it. The details of how we split need to be addressed downstream. We just have to be sure we leave the trail in an appropriate state for others to follow. I think we have enough people to make a decision.
21:24:28 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:24:29 <annette_g> ...we had a poll, but the discussion kept rolling along.
21:24:48 <annette_g> SimonCox: is it feasible to leave it up to each subgroup?
21:25:05 <alejandra> Nic - those are not several repos for data shapes - it is one repo with many folders
21:25:12 <annette_g> PWinstanley: I think there needs to be a certain amount of coordination.
21:25:13 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/
21:25:24 <SimonCox> I think the proposal was to leave DCAT on the DXWG repo, right?
21:25:35 <annette_g> oops, I've been scribing roba as simoncox.
21:30:09 <annette_g> PWinstanley: andrea, any point you want to make?
21:30:21 <annette_g> AndreaPerego: I don't have enough info about what's been discussed.
21:31:42 <annette_g> AndreaPerego: the concern I have is the issue with the issues. Also thinking what will happen to the linked issues.
21:31:56 <roba> q+
21:32:01 <annette_g> ...If we point to the previous repository from the new one.
21:32:08 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:32:35 <PWinstanley> ack \
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21:33:28 <annette_g> roba: I think it's up to the DCAT group how they want to handle it. As long as there's an opportunity to transfer anything that's a live issue, that should work well.
21:33:40 <annette_g> PWinstanley: annette_g
21:33:42 <alejandra> +q
21:34:00 <PWinstanley> annette_g: I'm neutral about this - I can see merits in both approaches
21:34:03 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:35:18 <annette_g> alejandra: I'm in favor of splitting because it will make things easier in the end. for bulk closing issues, I think we first need to move them to the new repos. It would be good to prefix the repo names with the working group name. Another group that splits their repos is json-ld.
21:35:26 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=json-ld&type=&language=
21:35:34 <annette_g> ...We need to test how we can move things.
21:35:58 <ncar> q+
21:36:01 <Makx> i´m neutral
21:36:02 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:36:03 <annette_g> PWinstanley: Ana, Max, anything?
21:36:04 <alejandra> especially check how to move issues
21:36:16 <Ana> i'm neutral
21:36:30 <PWinstanley> s/Max/Makx/
21:36:40 <alejandra> I wasn't aware of that other repo - can you send the link Nic?
21:36:52 <annette_g> ncar: we have another repo for the group, conformance reports for conneg. I look for guidance for where to put that one. We do already have two repos, so more wouldn't be a big deal.
21:37:15 <annette_g> PWinstanley: let's try a simple proposal
21:37:16 <alejandra> I think it would be good to prefix them with 'dxwg' (I think that wasn't in the minutes from my previous comment)
21:37:19 <ncar> Here is the ConnegP Test Suite repo: https://github.com/w3c/prof-conneg-testing
21:38:17 <annette_g> Proposed: that we split up the repos so that we have one repo per deliverable, DCAT and Conneg.
21:38:24 <ncar> +1
21:38:28 <PWinstanley> +1
21:38:34 <alejandra> +q
21:38:37 <annette_g> +0
21:38:38 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:38:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 (if we keep dcat where it is... )
21:38:57 <annette_g> alejandra: I'm in favor of voting for this, but shouldn't we clarify the details?
21:39:24 <annette_g> PWinstanley: I suggested that we work out the details after we agree to split generally.
21:39:50 <annette_g> ... do you agree?
21:40:20 <annette_g> alejandra: yes, but I would put as Riccardo did. I think it would be better to list out the details.
21:40:28 <annette_g> PWinstanley: please type it up
21:40:31 <alejandra> Proposed: that we split up the repos so that we have one repo per deliverable, DCAT and Conneg, considering that DCAT stays in the same repo and all repos are prefixed with dxwg
21:40:44 <alejandra> +1
21:40:47 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:40:48 <Ana> +1
21:40:50 <roba> +1
21:40:50 <PWinstanley> +1
21:40:52 <annette_g> +0.2
21:40:55 <Makx> +1
21:40:56 <ncar> +1
21:40:59 <SimonCox> +1
21:41:30 <annette_g> SimonCox: provided it doesn't prevent us spinning of prof into its own repo.
21:41:37 <alejandra> I agree that PROF would be in another repo too
21:41:38 <AndreaPerego> 0
21:41:38 <annette_g> PWinstanley: right, it's not stopping anything.
21:41:48 <annette_g> resolved: that we split up the repos so that we have one repo per deliverable, DCAT and Conneg, considering that DCAT stays in the same repo and all repos are prefixed with dxwg
21:42:24 <alejandra> here the documentation on moving issues: https://help.github.com/en/github/managing-your-work-on-github/transferring-an-issue-to-another-repository
21:42:50 <annette_g> s/SimonCox: provided it doesn't/roba: provided it doesn't
21:42:53 <alejandra> it is simple to do
21:43:03 <annette_g> topic: Future Work
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21:43:26 <annette_g> PWinstanley: I have a list of what we
21:43:32 <annette_g> are going to work on
21:44:12 <annette_g> PWinstanley: are people happy with what's been tagged as future work?
21:44:37 <annette_g> roba: shouldn't this be a dcat subgroup discussion
21:44:50 <annette_g> SimonCox: the subgroup's not meeting anymore.
21:45:02 <annette_g> PWinstanley: is it going in the right direction?
21:45:05 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:45:10 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:46:20 <annette_g> riccardoAlbertoni: I agree with the direction we are taking. It's important that we finish the things we set aside to move to recommendation. sooner or later we should start again with some kind of meeting to reduce the number of issues and the size of each issue.
21:46:28 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:46:51 <annette_g> topic: Conneg
21:47:40 <annette_g> ncar: we had a mention a couple weeks ago and said on the horizon was the completion of a test suite. That is close. It's running, and we've tested a couple instances.
21:47:51 <annette_g> PWinstanley: is this with QSA or header?
21:48:39 <annette_g> ncar: it's with headers and the way we present media types. In the QSA one, we have the opportunity to use URIs. We've fallen back to string for everything, so the toolkits are consistent there.
21:49:11 <annette_g> ...The main outcome is that in the document there are a series of requirements that are not themselves in the document.
21:49:27 <annette_g> PWinstanley: is this things like delivering profiles that are not available?
21:50:17 <annette_g> ncar: more fundamental than that. Every response has to tell you what profile it conforms to, and then more stuff. We're creating an appendix that gives the details.
21:50:30 <annette_g> roba: That will simplify reporting, not just testing
21:50:55 <annette_g> PWinstanley: what stage are we in with the document?
21:51:13 <annette_g> ncar: it was frozen. we wanted to do testing and see what comes out of it.
21:51:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/the size of each issue/ decide which issues to pick up with first
21:51:31 <annette_g> ncar: we don't see any required doc changes
21:51:46 <PWinstanley> s/it was frozen./it was frozen at PWD3/
21:51:55 <annette_g> roba: there is one, how tokens in the alternative QSA model are expressed.
21:52:21 <annette_g> ncar: now that we've done testing, we should just itemize the requirements better.
21:52:50 <annette_g> PWinstanley: the goal is to do PWD3, put in the appendix, then go for CR?
21:53:16 <annette_g> ncar: yes, my guess is that we are pretty much ready to go. should that be before or after the repo split?
21:54:03 <annette_g> ...if the group goes with splitting, I'm happy to make that happen.
21:54:24 <annette_g> PWinstanley: I think we are, based on the decision above.
21:54:57 <annette_g> roba: If you're splitting off, you're not dependent. It's just the cleaning up of issues. I think we're pretty safe.
21:55:12 <annette_g> PWinstanley: We don't want to be running two repos concurrently.
21:55:30 <annette_g> ... we need to avoid putting stuff into the old one once the new one is there.
21:55:45 <annette_g> ncar: I'll wait until there's a clear "here's the repo"
21:56:12 <annette_g> PWinstanley: that's something we need to talk to Phillipe about, isn't it?
21:56:23 <annette_g> ncar: they can easily spin up a new w3c repo.
21:56:41 <annette_g> PWinstanley: we need to be applying the rules, checking they have it on backup/archiving.
21:56:57 <annette_g> topic: Prof
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21:57:09 <alejandra> +q
21:58:00 <annette_g> ncar: we have generated one or two new issues, but the feedback we received was that we might consider supproperties of profileof/isprofileof. This could be an extension or in the vocab proper.
21:58:29 <annette_g> Rob and I have done some profile recursive validation using SHACL files.
21:59:20 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:59:23 <annette_g> roba: I'm going through some implementation things. I've got the conneg mechanism running, still working through the governance procsess of how profiles are published.
21:59:55 <annette_g> PWinstanley: thanks all!
22:00:04 <ncar> We (Rob & I) are traversing profile heirarchies like this recursively for validation file s(SHACL): https://www.w3.org/TR/dx-prof/#eg-hierarchy
22:00:45 <alejandra> that's nice ncar
22:00:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> Thanks a lot! Bye ..
22:01:00 <annette_g> PWinstanley: we need to engage with Phillipe. Let's make sure we use the mailing list and the existing repo for issues for now.
22:01:05 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye!
22:01:06 <Ana> thanks all, bye!
22:01:06 <PWinstanley> bye
22:01:07 <alejandra> bhe!
22:01:10 <alejandra> bye!
22:01:10 <roba> bye
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