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14:59:04 <Zakim> Meeting: ACT Rules Community Group Teleconference
15:00:52 <Wilco_> agenda+ AGENDA ITEM: Final call   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461
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15:00:57 <Wilco_> agenda+ AGENDA ITEM: Rules ready for W3C publication   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1120
15:01:00 <Wilco_>  agenda+ One element relevant for multiple success criteria   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1049
15:01:03 <Wilco_> agenda+ Improve example descriptions in page title rules (2779a5 / c4a8a4)   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1099
15:01:06 <Wilco_> agenda+ Doc title (2779a5) allows pass, ignoring 4.1.1   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1091
15:01:09 <Wilco_> agenda+ A significant number test files have unrelated accessibility violations   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1165
15:01:11 <Wilco_> agenda+ Disabled form field example in "Form control has accessible name" (e086e5)   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1164
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15:04:04 <Wilco_> present+
15:04:10 <Jey> present+
15:04:11 <Dagfinn> present+
15:04:12 <Jean-Yves> present+
15:04:17 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
15:04:22 <shadi> present+
15:04:22 <Adil> present+
15:04:30 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
15:04:30 <Zakim> agendum 1. "AGENDA ITEM: Final call   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461" taken up [from Wilco_]
15:04:45 <Wilco_> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3A%22Final+call+2+weeks%22+
15:05:44 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Definition of sub language tag -- This one is on track, converstaion there but not too much.
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15:05:58 <EmmaJ_PR> +present
15:06:09 <dmontalvo> ... Link is descriptive ... another rule added to the lists. We have now 59 of them.
15:06:32 <dmontalvo> Jean: It still has one test failing.
15:08:17 <dmontalvo> Jean-Yves: Table headers... ATs would fall back if there is no headers attribute or it is incorrect.
15:09:28 <dmontalvo> Wilco: If the headers attribute is used and there is not need for it to be used, then we might have issues.
15:10:09 <dmontalvo> Jean-Yves: Then if we need the header attribute but it was misstyped, we would need to change the example.
15:11:36 <dmontalvo> Sailesh: Is this to test a particular technique related to the headers attribute?
15:12:19 <dmontalvo> Wilco: If the headers atribute is there and it is not needed, there might be a problem there.
15:13:47 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
15:13:47 <Zakim> agendum 2. "AGENDA ITEM: Rules ready for W3C publication   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1120" taken up [from Wilco_]
15:14:42 <dmontalvo> Wilco: I am looking for somebody to take up some of the feedback from the TF
15:14:48 <Wilco_> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/431
15:15:32 <dmontalvo> ... Basically go througgh that list and either solve the issues or explain what we should not solve them.
15:15:40 <dmontalvo> J: I will take action on this.
15:15:43 <Wilco_> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/430
15:16:21 <Wilco_> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/429
15:17:07 <dmontalvo> Jean-Yves: I could do this.
15:17:46 <Wilco_> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/
15:18:11 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Next is to decide which rules we should send to the TF
15:18:12 <Wilco_> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/5c01ea
15:19:22 <Wilco_> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/c487ae
15:19:25 <dmontalvo> Jean-Yves: Maybe we need to update the example description.
15:21:34 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Wilco: I'll take the link has accessible name one
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15:22:06 <Wilco_> scribe: Jey
15:22:29 <Jey> Jym: Volunteers to take up the aria rule (that anne authored) for AG feedback
15:22:49 <Jey> Ok, take over Daniel
15:22:49 <skamra> Hi, trying to join the ACT-R call, need password to join the wbex meeting
15:23:05 <Jey> Hi Skamra, the password is act-rules
15:23:09 <EmmaJ_PR> acr-rules
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15:23:12 <dmontalvo> scribe: Daniel
15:23:16 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
15:23:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "One element relevant for multiple success criteria   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1049" taken up [from Wilco_]
15:23:19 <skamra> Thanks
15:26:13 <dmontalvo> Jean-Yves: Five different proposals. We have two rules for buttons having accessible name as image button fails two SCs.
15:26:41 <dmontalvo> ... Should we have one rule for all buttons and then one specific for image rules? If so, image will be flagged by two rules.
15:27:43 <dmontalvo> ... We could keep going and not be crazzy about that, or we could move to  on to having one rule for all buttons and other for image button.
15:29:10 <dmontalvo> Emma: This is my point, if it does not exist then it is not applicable. First check if the thing exists and then if it is descriptive.
15:29:56 <dmontalvo> Wilco: I don't have aprefference.
15:30:25 <dmontalvo> Emma: I think we need to be consistent, there is another situation where we are doing it differently, don't mind what to change but we need to seek consistency.
15:30:45 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Proposal is to change the button rule to include the image button, right?
15:30:58 <dmontalvo> Emma: Yes, and that will be a new rule that the image button is descriptive.
15:32:01 <dmontalvo> Jean-Yves: I agree with you Wilco.
15:32:40 <dmontalvo> Emma: Are we going to make it like page title?
15:33:26 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Yes. First thing we change the applicability as said above and then we add new rule that image button accessible name is descriptive.
15:34:36 <dmontalvo> Sailesh: You have to do two separate tests, so I am in favor of these two rules.
15:35:20 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
15:35:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Improve example descriptions in page title rules (2779a5 / c4a8a4)   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1099" taken up [from Wilco_]
15:36:44 <dmontalvo> Daniel: I will review and likely approve this.
15:37:14 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
15:37:14 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Doc title (2779a5) allows pass, ignoring 4.1.1   https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1091" taken up [from Wilco_]
15:38:34 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Does the tile element have to comply with HTML spec?
15:38:58 <dmontalvo> ... Major browsers don't care, just take the first one even if it is in the body.
15:40:25 <dmontalvo> Sailesh: We should test for 4.1.1 separately, not trust browsers fallback mechanism, authors should provide valid code.
15:42:17 <dmontalvo> Daniel: I see these as excerpts or snippets, if AT and browsers don't complain I don't see a problem.
15:42:32 <dmontalvo> Emma: But we should encourage to produce good code and good practice
15:44:04 <dmontalvo> Wilco: We need to think, can we use this? Does it work?
15:46:00 <dmontalvo> Jean-Yves: This happens in otehr rules as well, especially in 4.1.1. I have no strong opinion.
15:47:15 <dmontalvo> Emma: Maybe if we make even clearer that we are not  supporting this way of coding, just that it works.
15:49:01 <dmontalvo> Wilco: We could add a note about this saying this is bad code and can cause bugs
15:52:18 <dmontalvo> Shadi: We are inheriting a problem which is the guidance itself. I don't think we should be reinterpreting that. If we write the rule we need to stick to the spec
15:53:28 <dmontalvo> Jean-Yves: The spec tells what to do but also it tells what happens if you do otherwise.
15:55:39 <dmontalvo> Wilco: You are welcome to write a rule around 4.1.1
15:56:31 <Dagfinn> We have some microphone issues here
15:58:12 <dmontalvo> zakim, please draft minutes
15:58:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please draft minutes', dmontalvo
15:58:25 <skamra> i can hear, but cant unmute from the webex
15:58:42 <dmontalvo> zakim, please make minutes
15:58:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please make minutes', dmontalvo
15:58:54 <dmontalvo> zakim, draft minutes
15:58:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', dmontalvo
15:59:23 <dmontalvo> zakim, draft minutes v2
15:59:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes v2', dmontalvo
15:59:59 <Wilco_> zakim, end meeting
15:59:59 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Wilco_, Jey, Dagfinn, Jean-Yves, Daniel, shadi, Adil, present
16:00:01 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/13-act-r-minutes.html Zakim
16:00:02 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
16:00:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/13-act-r-minutes.html dmontalvo
16:00:06 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Wilco_; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:46:40 <Wilco_> RRSAgent, bye
16:46:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items