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20:53:23 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
20:53:29 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.02.11
20:53:51 <PWinstanley> chair: Caroline Burle
20:54:24 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Simon, AndreaPerego, RiccardoAlbertoni
20:54:37 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
20:54:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/11-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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21:00:53 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline
21:01:05 <Ana> Present+ Ana
21:02:38 <kcoyle> present+
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21:11:12 <Caroline> chair: Caroline
21:11:12 <Caroline> zakim pick a vitim
21:11:14 <Caroline> zakim pick a victim
21:11:19 <plh> zakim, pick a victim
21:11:19 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose kcoyle
21:11:54 <kcoyle> scribenick: kcoyle
21:12:00 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2020/02/04-dxwg-minutes
21:12:14 <kcoyle> topic: admin
21:12:35 <kcoyle> proposed: approve minutes of last meeting
21:13:16 <PWinstanley> +0 (not there)
21:13:19 <Ana> +1
21:13:21 <kcoyle> 0 (not here)
21:13:21 <Caroline> +1
21:13:28 <alejandra> present+
21:13:36 <plh> +1
21:13:41 <annette_g> +0, not there, though I'm sure it was fabulous
21:13:46 <alejandra> +1
21:13:53 <kcoyle> resolved: approve minutes of last meeting
21:14:11 <kcoyle> topic: DCAT publicity
21:14:48 <Caroline> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_f5CAZv7rgUjJH5YXkmD6w5xS6GX5X2AmEp_LMptAfQ/edit#gid=560881316
21:15:00 <kcoyle> need to review spreadsheet; put yourself on to send emails, contact folks
21:15:15 <alejandra> It is the same spreadsheet we had before - put together by the group
21:15:56 <kcoyle> any comments?
21:16:16 <Caroline> q?
21:16:40 <kcoyle> just a reminder for those who haven't gotten to this yet
21:16:54 <annette_g> I can't edit the Gdoc
21:17:05 <Caroline> q+
21:17:08 <Caroline> ack Caroline
21:17:15 <kcoyle> Caroline: also let us know if you have papers, conferences, etc.
21:17:38 <kcoyle> ... blog post has been translated to Portuguese and posted
21:17:53 <Caroline> q?
21:18:05 <kcoyle> topic: DCAT3
21:18:15 <kcoyle> Caroline: many issues to resolve
21:18:24 <kcoyle> ... split the repo?
21:18:42 <kcoyle> ... much discussion on email; no consensus yet
21:18:43 <Caroline> q?
21:18:45 <kcoyle> q+
21:18:51 <Caroline> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1216
21:18:56 <annette_g> (the new link works, thanks)
21:19:05 <Caroline> Ack kcoyle
21:19:11 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline
21:19:50 <Caroline> kcoyle: I was looking at the amount of the overlap we have on the issues. Because there are concerns that if we split we will lose connections
21:20:02 <Caroline> ... I will continue to try to make sense of that
21:20:20 <kcoyle> kcoyle: split will be less difficult if there is not much overlap
21:20:20 <Caroline> q?
21:20:30 <Caroline> scribe: kcoyle
21:20:51 <kcoyle> Caroline: other comments? don't seem to be ready to vote on this
21:21:13 <Caroline> q?
21:21:18 <kcoyle> ?+
21:21:39 <Caroline> ack Alejandra
21:21:49 <alejandra> https://twitter.com/alegonbel/status/1224806505586753537
21:22:03 <kcoyle> alejandra: think we need to try splitting; also, did a twitter thread about DCAT publicity
21:22:47 <kcoyle> Caroline: asks Alejandra if she thinks we should try
21:23:07 <kcoyle> alejandra: yes, we can fork the repo and we don't lose anything; start with one document
21:23:26 <kcoyle> ... move issues;
21:23:50 <annette_g> q+
21:24:12 <Caroline> ack annette_g
21:24:21 <kcoyle> annette_g: experiment to find out how difficult it is
21:24:24 <alejandra> we are also missing some people in this call
21:24:27 <kcoyle> q+
21:24:35 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
21:24:47 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline
21:24:54 <Caroline> kcoyle: we could do a pool about it
21:25:12 <Caroline> ... I am wondering where are we with the conneg?
21:25:32 <kcoyle> scribenick: kcoyle
21:25:53 <kcoyle> Caroline: good question but no answer at this moment
21:27:04 <kcoyle> kcoyle: shall we ask in an email? Caroline thinks there already was one
21:28:03 <kcoyle> action: on kcoyle, ask about conneg in an email
21:28:03 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
21:28:18 <kcoyle> action: kcoyle, ask about conneg in an email
21:28:19 <trackbot> Error finding 'kcoyle,'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
21:28:57 <kcoyle> action: PWinstanley set up poll about trying split
21:28:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-396 - Set up poll about trying split [on Peter Winstanley - due 2020-02-18].
21:29:58 <Caroline> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2020Jan/0142.html
21:30:23 <kcoyle> topic: RDA versioning proposal
21:30:24 <Caroline> q?
21:31:11 <kcoyle> q+
21:31:43 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
21:32:06 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline
21:32:25 <kcoyle> kcoyle: some folks are connected to the RDA group
21:32:41 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: possibly Simon
21:33:12 <Caroline> scribe: kcoyle
21:33:12 <kcoyle> alejandra: no discussion at recent European meeting (is this right?)
21:33:56 <kcoyle> Caroline: maybe we can connect with them and see what interaction makes sense
21:34:05 <kcoyle> ... can someone take this action?
21:34:54 <kcoyle> ... shall we ask Simon? (We could give him an action ;-)
21:35:30 <kcoyle> action: PWinstanley to initiate contact with RDA
21:35:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-397 - Initiate contact with rda [on Peter Winstanley - due 2020-02-18].
21:36:07 <kcoyle> topic: DCAT "future work" issues
21:36:07 <Caroline> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/27
21:36:19 <kcoyle> Caroline: Alejandra created the milestone document
21:36:36 <Caroline> Ack alejandra
21:37:26 <kcoyle> alejandra: created initial milestones; Riccardo and Andrea have added more issues, those
21:37:39 <kcoyle> ... tagged with feedback (although most are editorial)
21:37:56 <kcoyle> ... Andrea tagged some untagged issues
21:38:12 <kcoyle> ... issues around versioning, future work, and feedback
21:38:55 <kcoyle> Caroline: alejandra you suggest that we deal with these issues first
21:39:12 <kcoyle> alejandra: need to first prioritize the future work ones
21:39:29 <kcoyle> ... have called it DCAT3, FPWD
21:39:44 <kcoyle> Caroline: yes, please continue with that
21:40:43 <kcoyle> topic: extract from UCR
21:40:57 <Caroline> q?
21:41:02 <kcoyle> Caroline: we talked about this last week. Extract those related to versioning, ...
21:41:11 <kcoyle> q+
21:41:20 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
21:43:16 <kcoyle> plh: as for use cases and requirements in the evergreen situation
21:43:24 <kcoyle> ... (digging up slides)
21:44:23 <kcoyle> Caroline: we talked last week about splitting up UCR document
21:44:26 <plh> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1x_FrdVUt2Hp01t2fXyQa0sROwkzC8UKFIhcNqsyoSCQ/edit#slide=id.p
21:45:39 <kcoyle> plh: on slide 13 - to be a REC or not to be
21:46:03 <kcoyle> ... remember that evergreen is not yet adopted by W3C; and this group will need to adopt it
21:46:17 <kcoyle> ... slide 13 gives 3 options
21:46:43 <kcoyle> ... CR forever, doesn't move beyond that
21:47:06 <kcoyle> ... versions: you can publish DCaT3 same as was done for DCAT2
21:47:45 <kcoyle> ... third is rec forever; instead of publishing in stages you directly revise existing rec
21:48:13 <kcoyle> ... you don't have to go back to early stages (PWD); you have one single step
21:48:22 <kcoyle> ... that is only available in process2020
21:48:45 <kcoyle> ... if DCAT2 worked for you, do the same for DCAT3 (FPWD, etc.)
21:49:05 <kcoyle> ... if that is difficult you can do the 3rd option
21:49:35 <kcoyle> ... so, the question is? do you want a big version, or have more granularity
21:49:53 <Caroline> q?
21:49:55 <kcoyle> q+
21:50:07 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
21:50:29 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline
21:50:40 <Caroline> kcoyle: it seems the questions have to be about the users of DCAT
21:50:45 <PWinstanley> q+
21:50:57 <Caroline> ... it seems they should have a say in this
21:51:05 <kcoyle> scribenick: kcoyle
21:51:08 <Caroline> scribe: kcoyle
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21:51:16 <Caroline> ack PWinstanley
21:51:35 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: my concern is the business about ? fatigue, and the other is that this
21:51:58 <kcoyle> ... could become a niche project of a small number of people; hard to get wide review
21:52:23 <kcoyle> ... it would be challenging to keep the energy behind a project that is ongoing
21:53:06 <kcoyle> plh: peter, are you saying that he don't have the energy to do dcat3?
21:53:40 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: I think we can do 3, but am not sure about 4 and 5 because it may become narrower
21:54:06 <kcoyle> ... difficult getting non-W3C folks to give the necessary feedback in the early stages
21:54:46 <kcoyle> plh: one approach is like web application group - they have a scheduled approach
21:55:00 <kcoyle> ... each year they decide which properties will be added
21:55:16 <kcoyle> ... it gives them a focus on a reduced set of issues and a specific time
21:55:57 <kcoyle> ... you could decide that we will do DCAT3 in one year; and decide what will be in that
21:56:08 <kcoyle> ... and have it ready for fall
21:56:28 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: that cadence sounds about right; needs to be balanced with the push
21:56:43 <kcoyle> ... to publish frequently. we realized that didn
21:56:58 <kcoyle> ... didn't work for use, to publish many small changes
21:57:12 <kcoyle> ... shorter than one year may not work
21:57:38 <kcoyle> plh: ok, so decide a once a year version; work back from February to set milestones
21:57:58 <kcoyle> ... and dates; folks know that if they don't get their property this year that can look forward
21:58:24 <kcoyle> ... to the following year; and you can always decide that a version is an x.1
21:59:00 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: if decision about changes has to do with support then there's likely to be broad
21:59:04 <kcoyle> ... review
21:59:43 <kcoyle> Caroline: do we have to make a decision now? or should we first work on milestones and cases?
22:00:01 <kcoyle> plh: first sort out issues - which are DCAT3, which are a later version?
22:00:22 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: alejandra has already started this
22:00:45 <kcoyle> alejandra: yes, I was thinking about FPWD, so what I've done is just the very first stage
22:01:18 <kcoyle> rrsagent, create minutes v2
22:01:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/11-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
22:01:50 <kcoyle> Caroline: in the next meeting we can cover more with more of the editors here
22:02:08 <kcoyle> rrsagent, create minutes v2
22:02:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/11-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
22:02:09 <PWinstanley> bye!
22:02:12 <annette_g> bye all!
22:02:14 <Ana> thank you, bye
22:02:51 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
22:02:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/11-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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