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16:49:37 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ivan
16:49:49 <ivan> Chair: liisa
16:49:49 <ivan> Date: 2020-02-04
16:49:49 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2020Feb/0000.html
16:49:49 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2020-02-04: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2020Feb/0000.html
16:49:50 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Business Group Telco
16:49:50 <ivan> Regrets+ BillK, tzviya
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17:03:08 <jeff> Topic: Epubcheck fundraising
17:03:10 <Ralph> present+
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17:04:30 <jeff> Liisa: George?
17:04:30 <jeff> George: Apple has donated $20K
17:04:30 <jeff> ... great news
17:04:30 <jeff> Luc: Great news
17:04:30 <jeff> ... invite sent
17:04:30 <jeff> ... waiting for the money
17:04:30 <jeff> ... anxious for their logo
17:04:31 <jeff> ... helps for now
17:04:31 <jeff> ... still need $15K
17:04:38 <Daihei> q+
17:04:42 <ivan> present+ daihei
17:04:43 <jeff> ... pushing in Europe and Asia
17:04:44 <laudrain> ack laudrain
17:04:49 <liisamk> ack Daihei
17:05:15 <jeff> Daihei: Pursuing in Japan and Taiwan
17:05:26 <jeff> ... for Taiwan pursuing @@@
17:05:33 <jeff> ... TDPF will donate $2K
17:05:41 <jeff> ... going through election period
17:05:52 <jeff> ... will also unlock budget
17:06:09 <jeff> ... consider funding as well
17:06:22 <jeff> ... assume $5K or so from Taiwan
17:06:32 <garth> garth has joined #pbg
17:06:33 <jeff> ... also pursuing from Japanese Members and outside
17:06:39 <garth> Present+ Garth
17:06:48 <laudrain> q+
17:07:04 <wendyreid> q+
17:07:06 <jeff> ... I reached out to others with Iishan
17:07:20 <jeff> ... hope to pursue remaining $10K from Japan
17:07:43 <jeff> ... BillK, Yoshi-san will reach out with email to global community
17:07:59 <liisamk> ack laudrain
17:08:04 <George> q+
17:08:06 <jeff> Luc: Still waiting for Europe/France
17:08:23 <jeff> ... small company figured 1 cent per epubcheck
17:08:33 <jeff> ... that would yield much money
17:08:47 <laudrain> acl wendyreid
17:08:51 <jeff> Liisa: Great thought about the math
17:08:55 <laudrain> ack wendyreid
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17:08:59 <liisamk> ack wendyreid
17:09:09 <jeff> Wendy: Korea?, China?, India?, Singapore... any outreach?
17:09:19 <jeff> ... weren't they at TPAC summit?
17:09:20 <laurent_> present+
17:09:43 <jeff> Daiwei: Outside of Korean and Taiwan - no reps in PBG
17:10:06 <jeff> s/Korean/Japan/
17:10:22 <jeff> ... please provide other contacts so we can reach out
17:10:32 <wolfgang> s/Daiwei:/Daihei:/
17:10:43 <jeff> Daihei: BillK will reach out as well
17:10:54 <jeff> George: With Korea, epub is national standard
17:10:59 <jeff> ... they put forward to ISO
17:11:11 <jeff> ... Dr. Ho presented at our publishing conference a few years ago
17:11:21 <jeff> ... I'll take action to contact him
17:11:36 <jeff> ... Pearson is a Full Member
17:12:13 <jeff> ... I have a good contact - Jonathan Firsten (?) and also check with AC rep
17:12:33 <wendyreid> s/Firsten/Thurston/
17:12:36 <jeff> ... I'll make the pitch.
17:12:43 <ivan> q+
17:12:50 <jeff> Liisa: Thanks George.  Congratulations about Apple
17:12:54 <liisamk> ack George
17:13:31 <jeff> Ivan: AC rep for Pearson @@@ WG meetings
17:13:43 <jeff> Topic: Survey
17:13:51 <jeff> Liisa: Dave and I have a really good draft
17:14:00 <jeff> ... we will use Survey Monkey to distribution
17:14:14 <jeff> ... Brian from BISG will allow us to use his instance
17:14:18 <jeff> ... find out later today
17:14:29 <jeff> ... initial distribution to SC to test
17:14:40 <jeff> ... then publishing @w3C later this week
17:14:47 <jeff> ... then into next week
17:14:51 <jeff> ... 2 Q's
17:15:01 <jeff> ... 1. Asking what is the most important thing to learn?
17:15:15 <wendyreid> q+
17:15:15 <jeff> ... 2. How do we get beyond publishing @ w3c community
17:15:44 <jeff> Wendy: eproduction hash tag on twitter will reach the people we want
17:15:53 <jeff> ... also epub3 CG mailing list
17:15:54 <laudrain> +1 to EPUB3 CG mailing list
17:16:09 <jeff> Liisa: Publishing @w3C already includes the CG
17:16:15 <jeff> q+
17:16:18 <liisamk> ack ivan
17:16:22 <liisamk> ack wendyreid
17:16:26 <laudrain> ack wendyreid
17:16:39 <liisamk> ack jeff
17:16:40 <laudrain> q+
17:17:00 <jeff> Jeff: What about publishers associations
17:17:08 <jeff> Liisa: That is for international outreach
17:17:13 <liisamk> ack laudrain
17:17:16 <wolfgang> maybe also national publishers' and booksellers' associations such as Boersenverein des deutschen Buchhandels
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17:17:28 <jeff> Luc: Yes - associations on each continent
17:17:37 <jeff> ... but more generic, less digital
17:17:52 <Cristina> q+
17:18:13 <wolfgang> they might have WG on digital products
17:18:13 <jeff> ... national organizations
17:18:20 <jeff> ... Editeur, London book fair
17:18:34 <jeff> ... external task force has list of structures to contact
17:18:41 <liisamk> ack Cristina
17:18:47 <wolfgang> e.g. AKEP on Frankfurt book fair
17:18:54 <jeff> Cristina: We can handle in Italy
17:19:01 <jeff> ... active people we know
17:19:04 <George> q+
17:19:14 <liisamk> ack George
17:19:18 <jeff> George: I'm on higher ed lists
17:19:23 <jeff> ... accessibility related
17:19:30 <jeff> ... if this group agrees, I can post there
17:19:41 <jeff> Liisa: Very helpful...survey has section on educators
17:19:52 <jeff> ... what about professional publications
17:19:56 <Cristina> q+
17:20:05 <laudrain> q?
17:20:15 <laudrain> q+
17:20:17 <liisamk> ack Cristina
17:20:18 <jeff> Cristina: STM publishers
17:20:22 <jeff> q+
17:20:39 <liisamk> ack laudrain
17:20:41 <jeff> Luc: For professional publishing - conference like XML Prague
17:20:55 <jeff> q-
17:21:05 <jeff> ... Dave?
17:21:11 <jeff> Dave: I don't know the audience
17:21:25 <jeff> q+
17:21:47 <liisamk> ack jeff
17:21:48 <wolfgang> XML Prague has its focus on XML experts, but many of them come from publishers
17:22:10 <wolfgang> including STM
17:22:18 <Ralph> Jeff: there are some newsletters and magazines that would be good to publish short articles
17:22:24 <Cristina> +q
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17:22:39 <jeff> Liisa: Great suggestion.  We should look at getting this written up in other places.
17:22:42 <garth> Perhaps: https://lunch.publishersmarketplace.com/
17:22:46 <liisamk> ack Cristina
17:22:46 <laudrain> q+
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17:22:52 <jeff> Cristina: National organizations as well
17:23:04 <jeff> Liisa: There is also the second question - the most important thing to learn
17:23:23 <liisamk> ack laudrain
17:23:26 <jeff> Liisa: Thanks, Garth for the link
17:23:32 <jeff> Luc: A blog post at W3C
17:23:37 <jeff> Liisa: Also a great idea
17:23:38 <Cristina> https://www.publishersweekly.com
17:24:02 <laudrain> q?
17:24:04 <jeff> Liisa: I can reach out to Publishers weekly
17:24:04 <Cristina> https://publishingperspectives.com
17:24:25 <jeff> Liisa: Again, most important thing to learn from survey?
17:24:32 <jeff> q+
17:24:40 <liisamk> ack jeff
17:24:44 <jeff> Jeff: Roadmap
17:24:56 <dauwhe> q+
17:25:03 <jeff> Liisa: Survey is epub heavy
17:25:15 <jeff> ... address professional publishing marketplace
17:25:26 <liisamk>         ack dauwhe
17:25:32 <liisamk> q+
17:25:33 <jeff> Dave: I don't know what Idk.
17:25:43 <jeff> ... hope to be surprised
17:25:54 <Daihei> q+
17:25:55 <jeff> ... validation or repudiation
17:26:00 <jeff> Liisa: +1 to Dave
17:26:04 <jeff> ... widen the circle
17:26:10 <jeff> ... learn what we don't know
17:26:14 <laudrain> q+
17:26:20 <liisamk> ack liisamk
17:26:24 <liisamk> ack Daihei
17:26:36 <jeff> ... collect names of people who want to be involved
17:26:48 <jeff> Daihei: Today I joined in to WoT and Media and Entertainment
17:26:56 <jeff> ... I will reach out to them and to Immersive
17:27:17 <jeff> ... interest in publishing arena
17:27:44 <liisamk> ack laudrain
17:27:49 <liisamk> q+
17:27:49 <ivan> q+
17:27:52 <jeff> Luc: Agree with Dave about learning what we don't know
17:28:17 <jeff> ... that requires reaching out to those we don't usually reach
17:28:23 <jeff> ... external channels most important
17:28:30 <Avneesh> q+
17:28:37 <laudrain> q?
17:28:42 <laudrain> ack liisamk
17:28:44 <ivan> ack liisamk
17:28:57 <jeff> Liisa: When I looked at questions this morning I saw we had nothing for Audio.  Should we add?
17:28:58 <liisamk> ack ivan
17:29:17 <jeff> Ivan: I hope to get feedback on what the community wants from the web
17:29:24 <jeff> ... how epub relates to the web
17:29:35 <jeff> ... not technical html stuff, but
17:29:36 <liisamk> q+
17:29:44 <jeff> ... role of digital books on the web
17:29:51 <jeff> Avneesh: Agree with Ivan
17:30:01 <jeff> ... also get views from outside our community
17:30:15 <jeff> ... they may have grievances, that would be good to learn as well
17:30:22 <jeff> Liisa: response to Ivan
17:30:39 <jeff> ... we have some Q's for education and professional about tying in to the web
17:30:54 <jeff> ... but may need special section on how pubs relate to web as a whole
17:31:00 <ivan> +1 to liisamk
17:31:00 <jeff> ... I'll send out suggested questions
17:31:14 <liisamk> ack Avneesh
17:31:17 <liisamk> ack liisamk
17:31:22 <jeff> Liisa: Audio?
17:31:26 <jeff> q+
17:31:33 <liisamk> ack jeff
17:31:52 <dauwhe> q+
17:32:30 <jeff> Wendy: In audiobooks process we've learned that they are different people than epub people
17:32:36 <jeff> ... finding them is a problem
17:32:40 <jeff> ... not much carryover
17:32:51 <jeff> ... so I'm not concerned about not having audio questions
17:32:56 <jeff> ... don't need longer survey
17:33:05 <dauwhe> q?
17:33:12 <liisamk> ack dauwhe
17:33:22 <jeff> Dave: What Wendy said
17:33:29 <jeff> ... focus should be epub
17:33:48 <jeff> ... don't need to add audiobooks
17:34:26 <jeff> Topic: PBG Co-Chair search
17:34:31 <jeff> Luc: I am retiring in April
17:34:36 <jeff> ... long preparation
17:34:48 <jeff> ... discussing with my colleagues; co-chairs
17:35:04 <jeff> ... looking for Europe
17:35:24 <jeff> ... I believe I have found someone
17:35:40 <jeff> ... Cristina accepted to propose her candidacy
17:36:00 <jeff> Cristina: Thank you for proposing me
17:36:02 <jeff> ... pleaseure
17:36:13 <jeff> ... important to have someone from Europe
17:36:29 <Daihei> +1 to Cristina candidacy!
17:36:31 <jeff> ... new legislation for accessibility
17:36:32 <wolfgang> s/pleaseure/pleasure/
17:36:37 <dauwhe> q+
17:36:38 <jeff> ... standard for epub
17:36:57 <jeff> ... I've been involved for a long time: IDPF, W3C
17:37:00 <laudrain> q?
17:37:04 <laudrain> q+
17:37:07 <jeff> ... know Liisa and Daihei for a long time
17:37:13 <jeff> ack da
17:37:16 <dauwhe> This group chooses their Chair(s) and can replace the Chair(s) at any time using whatever means they prefer.
17:37:18 <jeff> Dave: For the record
17:37:26 <jeff> ... the group chooses the chair
17:37:32 <jeff> ... Cristina an excellent choice
17:37:35 <jeff> ... but up to the group
17:37:39 <dauwhe> https://www.w3.org/2017/02/PublishingBGcharter
17:37:51 <jeff> Liisa: Yes, we are opening candidacy
17:38:01 <jeff> Luc: Yes, a proposal
17:38:06 <jeff> ... chairs have discussed
17:38:11 <jeff> ... are proposing one person
17:38:13 <jeff> q+
17:38:20 <jeff> ... not closed
17:38:25 <jeff> ack la
17:38:27 <liisamk> ack laudrain
17:38:38 <jeff> ... will not step down right now
17:38:45 <jeff> ... will work until end of March
17:38:49 <jeff> ... parallel person
17:38:59 <jeff> ... interesting to have a decision now
17:39:01 <liisamk> q+
17:39:23 <jeff> ... Cristina can gather infor
17:39:25 <jeff> q- later
17:39:43 <jeff> ... my replacement should be aware of conversations
17:40:10 <jeff> Liisa: We need to open candidacy through email
17:40:13 <liisamk> ack jeff
17:40:18 <liisamk> ack liisamk
17:40:47 <jeff> Luc: Right
17:40:51 <jeff> Jeff: New AC rep?
17:40:55 <jeff> Luc: Being discussed
17:41:48 <jeff> Liisa: We need worldwide representation
17:42:00 <Daihei> q+
17:42:09 <jeff> ... also build beyond US/Europe/Asia
17:42:12 <liisamk> ack Daihei
17:42:19 <jeff> Daihei: Process-wise, should send out email
17:42:38 <jeff> ... two weeks later; PBG call US/Asia
17:42:42 <laudrain> q+
17:42:50 <jeff> ... before SC on 24 Feb should finalize
17:42:57 <jeff> ... what is the process prior to that?
17:43:18 <liisamk> ack laudrain
17:43:26 <jeff> Luc: I propose we do things simply
17:43:35 <jeff> ... 1. Anyone can propose a candidate
17:43:46 <jeff> ... a mail sent today or tomorrow to open candidacy
17:43:55 <jeff> ... mention Cristina as a candidate
17:44:07 <jeff> ... open for a week
17:44:29 <jeff> ... if no other candidate we consider Cristina is the only candidate
17:44:37 <jeff> ... accepted if no objection
17:45:03 <jeff> ... resolution during a call - next call in two weeks (US/Asia) has not many people
17:45:15 <jeff> ... build specific call possibly
17:45:17 <jeff> ... maybe simpler by mail
17:45:38 <jeff> ... should tell Cristina ASAP
17:45:52 <Daihei> +1 to Luc
17:46:07 <jeff> ... we can have such a resolution
17:46:47 <jeff> ... any objections?
17:46:49 <jeff> +1
17:46:53 <liisamk> +1
17:46:57 <laudrain> +1
17:47:08 <wendyreid> +1
17:47:09 <ivan> +1
17:47:12 <dauwhe> +1
17:47:14 <laurent_> +1
17:47:15 <Daihei> +1
17:47:15 <wolfgang> +1
17:47:16 <garth> +1
17:47:21 <Ralph> +1
17:47:31 <jeff> Liisa: We are agreed.
17:47:34 <George> +1
17:47:35 <Cristina> +q
17:47:35 <jeff> ... Thanks Cristina
17:47:39 <jeff> ... and Luc
17:47:45 <jeff> ... for your outreach and service
17:47:51 <jeff> ... you will be with us until the end
17:47:58 <jeff> ... we will have time to celebrate
17:48:13 <liisamk> ack Cristina
17:48:27 <jeff> Cristina: Want to thank Luc
17:48:32 <jeff> ... process fine with me
17:48:37 <jeff> ... any final decision fine with me
17:48:54 <jeff> Topic: PBG Goals
17:49:03 <jeff> ... last US/Europe call before SC
17:49:09 <jeff> ... end of February
17:49:20 <jeff> ... anything in particular as input to planning meeting
17:49:20 <wendyreid> q+
17:49:26 <liisamk> ack wendyreid
17:49:50 <jeff> Wendy: Attendance has not been great on the calls
17:49:59 <jeff> ... we should learn why people have stepped away
17:50:15 <jeff> ... might want to pose question to the group
17:50:18 <jeff> Liisa: Fine suggestions
17:50:23 <jeff> q+
17:51:12 <Ralph> Jeff: building on Wendy's question, looking at today's agenda a lot is internal-related things
17:51:19 <Ralph> ... discussion of our internal community
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17:51:43 <Ralph> ... the agenda doesn't include actions about how to make things more successful
17:51:56 <Ralph> ... people had talked about learning from the survey how to grow the group
17:52:02 <liisamk> ack jeff
17:52:19 <Ralph> ... I offer a theory that getting us focussed on the business of EPUB a bit better would be useful
17:52:28 <Ralph> scribe+
17:52:38 <jeff> s/things more successful/epub more successful/
17:52:43 <George> q+
17:52:53 <liisamk> ack George
17:53:05 <jeff> George: Epub in higher ed working group
17:53:13 <jeff> ... I have 48 people on the list
17:53:16 <laudrain> q+
17:53:38 <jeff> ... we discuss webinars, we develop Q&A bot, very vibrant exciting group
17:53:58 <jeff> ... developing publisher faceoff for accessibility at CSUN
17:54:08 <jeff> ... completely different from this group
17:54:14 <jeff> ... implementation, adoption
17:54:17 <jeff> ... very effective
17:54:27 <jeff> ... focuses on one subsegment
17:54:47 <liisamk> ack laudrain
17:55:21 <jeff> Luc: I'm concerned that we don't include EDRlab enough
17:55:28 <jeff> ... important part of community
17:55:38 <jeff> ... created with initiate from Pierre Danet
17:55:53 <jeff> ... Laurent is an editor of Audiobooks
17:55:55 <dauwhe> q+
17:55:57 <wendyreid> q+
17:56:17 <jeff> ... particularly digital publishing summit
17:56:23 <wendyreid> s/editor of Audiobooks/editor of LPF/
17:56:38 <liisamk> ack dauwhe
17:56:52 <jeff> Dave: Could you describe more how we "don't include EDRlab enough"
17:56:58 <jeff> ... we've gone to the conference
17:57:03 <jeff> ... we work with Laurent all the time
17:57:09 <jeff> ... he's welcome to participate
17:57:09 <wendyreid> q-
17:57:15 <jeff> ... what else should we do?
17:57:30 <jeff> ... participating is individuals and companies joining up
17:58:00 <jeff> Luc: On topic of organizing conferences
17:58:09 <jeff> ... not just individuals
17:58:42 <jeff> Liisa: f/u on co-chair search email
17:58:52 <Avneesh> q+
17:58:52 <jeff> ... f/u on mailing list about "goals"
17:59:20 <jeff> Avneesh: We have reduced the number of calls in favor of having more task forces
17:59:47 <jeff> ... but not a lot of task forces
17:59:59 <Daihei> Thanks Liisa
18:00:00 <jeff> Liisa: Thanks for time today
18:00:13 <ivan> zakim, end meeting
18:00:13 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been wendyreid, wolfgang, dauwhe_, ivan, george, laudrain, Cristina, jeff, liisamk, Ralph, Avneesh, daihei, Garth, laurent_, JulieBlair
18:00:16 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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18:00:18 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, ivan; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
18:00:18 <jeff> [adjourned]
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