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16:52:54 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ivan
16:53:04 <ivan> Chair: tzviya
16:53:04 <ivan> Date: 2020-01-27
16:53:04 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2020Jan/0023.html
16:53:05 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Working Group Telco
16:53:05 <ivan> Regrets+ wendy, marisa, luc, josh
16:56:21 <tzviya> present+
16:57:28 <dkaplan3> present+
17:00:25 <dauwhe_> present+
17:01:19 <dauwhe> present+
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17:03:31 <BenSchroeter> present+
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17:03:35 <franco> present+
17:03:36 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
17:03:41 <gpellegrino> present+
17:04:06 <tzviya> regrets+ bigbluehat
17:04:51 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2020/2020-01-06-pwg
17:04:57 <dauwhe> Topic: minutes
17:05:17 <dauwhe> tzviya: this is from two weeks ago; the last minutes that haven't been approved
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17:05:57 <dauwhe> ... minutes approved
17:06:03 <duga> present+
17:06:09 <ivan> resolved: minutes of 6.01 approved
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17:06:15 <ivan> present+ garth
17:06:19 <garth> present+ Garth
17:06:27 <dauwhe> tzviya: Matt has been doing edits on pub manifest spec
17:06:31 <ivan> q+
17:06:32 <dauwhe> ... but he's not here
17:06:35 <tzviya> https://w3c.github.io/pub-manifest/
17:06:43 <dauwhe> ivan: it's all editorial
17:06:58 <dauwhe> ...  before XMas matt and I implemented the algo
17:06:58 <tzviya> ack i
17:07:15 <dauwhe> ... and we tried to go through as it was written in the spec
17:07:19 <dauwhe> ... and we found some small issues
17:07:31 <dauwhe> ... and there were some similar changes in the audio book spec
17:07:44 <dauwhe> ... one or two small changes
17:07:52 <dauwhe> ... there was a missing extension point
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17:08:04 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
17:08:05 <dauwhe> ... this didn't invalidate previous steps
17:08:18 <dauwhe> tzviya: there's still an open PR on pub-manifest
17:08:37 <dauwhe> q?
17:08:46 <ivan> present+ david_stroup
17:08:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: I don't see changes in audio since 3 Jan
17:09:06 <dauwhe> ivan: there are changes since last publication
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17:09:20 <dauwhe> tzviya: should we republish?
17:09:32 <dauwhe> ... it's not going to affect the status
17:09:41 <dauwhe> ... do we have enough people to vote?
17:09:42 <dauwhe> ivan: yes
17:09:51 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's vote on these separately
17:09:57 <dauwhe> ... the proposal is
17:10:04 <dauwhe> ... republish pub manifest
17:10:05 <tzviya> Proposal: Re-publish Pub-manifest
17:10:08 <tzviya> +1
17:10:11 <dauwhe> +1
17:10:12 <ivan> +1
17:10:14 <dkaplan3> =1
17:10:16 <franco> +1
17:10:17 <duga> +1
17:10:19 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
17:10:19 <dkaplan3> +1
17:10:20 <david_stroup> +1
17:10:22 <BenSchroeter> +1
17:10:26 <garth> +1
17:10:40 <tzviya> RESOLVED: Re-publish Pub-Manifest
17:11:04 <dauwhe> Proposal: republish audiobooks
17:11:18 <dauwhe> tzviya: there are two editorial issues
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17:11:27 <dauwhe> ... do we want to deal with them?
17:11:32 <dauwhe> ivan: first one is covered by open pr
17:11:39 <dauwhe> ... it's ok if they're left open
17:11:49 <dauwhe> ... many of these changes go back to december
17:11:49 <tzviya> proposal: re-publish audiobooks
17:11:54 <dauwhe> +1
17:12:00 <tzviya> +1
17:12:01 <dkaplan3> +1
17:12:01 <timCole> +1
17:12:04 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
17:12:08 <duga> +1
17:12:09 <ivan> +1
17:12:09 <BenSchroeter> +1
17:12:10 <ivan> present+ timCole
17:12:13 <david_stroup> +1
17:12:29 <garth> +1
17:12:34 <dauwhe> Resolved: republish audiobooks
17:12:38 <dauwhe> Topic: update on testing
17:12:51 <dauwhe> tzviya: any news from the testing front on any spec?
17:12:53 <ivan> crickets...
17:13:26 <david_stroup> present+
17:13:27 <dauwhe> tzviya: I talked to someone who might be interested in testing
17:13:56 <dauwhe> ... are we at risk at all
17:14:12 <dauwhe> ... we have a lot of commitments about tests, but few tests so far
17:14:30 <dauwhe> ... we have lots of experimental work, not real-world tests
17:14:35 <ivan> q+
17:14:38 <tzviya> ack ivan
17:14:45 <dauwhe> ivan: I'm not sure I agree
17:15:09 <dauwhe> ... the really testable parts of the spec are very few
17:15:14 <dauwhe> ... they are in the algos
17:15:22 <dauwhe> ... and there are lots of tests for those cases
17:15:32 <dauwhe> ... there are some behavioral tests that are missing
17:15:45 <dauwhe> ... but that's ok
17:16:08 <dauwhe> ... the real problem is that the implementations are toy algorithms
17:16:24 <dauwhe> ... we don't have real world implementations that go through those tests
17:16:26 <dauwhe> tzviya: yes
17:16:38 <ivan> s/toy algorithms/toy implementations/
17:16:43 <dauwhe> ... any volunteers to start testing? I'll ping some people
17:17:02 <dauwhe> ... anything else to cover today?
17:17:17 <dauwhe> ... thanks everyone
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17:17:44 <ivan> zakim, end meeting
17:17:44 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been tzviya, dkaplan, dauwhe_, dauwhe, BenSchroeter, franco, gpellegrino, duga, garth, Bill_Kasdorf, david_stroup, timCole
17:17:47 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:17:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/27-pwg-minutes.html Zakim
17:17:49 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, ivan; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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