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15:30:24 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ivan
15:30:40 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Chairs’ Telco
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15:38:29 <ivan> regrets+ laudrain
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16:05:42 <tzviya> zakim, pick a victim
16:05:42 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Avneesh
16:06:00 <George> scribe+
16:06:01 <ivan> chair: liisamk
16:06:19 <ivan> present+
16:06:22 <garth> present+ Garth
16:06:27 <George> Lisa: Survey up for discussion.
16:07:01 <George> What is the most accessible tool and how do we want to deploy?
16:07:25 <Ralph> -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZLAIgAH7hoWo56uov3QN2-jaMY6MaWQKJrAys1GwDdY/edit EPUB Survey Draft
16:07:38 <tzviya> q+
16:07:38 <Avneesh> q+
16:07:48 <Daihei> present+
16:07:49 <dauwhe> ack av
16:07:52 <dauwhe> q?
16:08:13 <George> avneesh: We in DAISY are using Survey monkey. If you keep it simple, it works fine.
16:08:39 <ivan> q+
16:08:40 <George> TZ: is Survey Monkey free? what about Google forms?
16:09:14 <George> Avneesh, I think i was successful once, and I am able to test it.
16:10:00 <George> Bill K: Survey Monkey web site says there is a free option.
16:10:01 <liisamk> ack tzviya
16:10:15 <wendyreid> q+
16:10:22 <Avneesh> serious problem in China
16:10:24 <wendyreid> https://www.surveymonkey.com/pricing/individual/details/
16:10:26 <liisamk> ack ivan
16:10:28 <George> Ivan: Problem with Google anything is it may be blocked in China.
16:10:54 <George> Wendy: Surevy Monkey's free version is too limiting?
16:11:05 <George> Garth: Can we hit up DAISY?
16:11:09 <George> q+
16:11:09 <ivan> present+ Daihei
16:11:18 <liisamk> ack wendyreid
16:11:33 <liisamk> ack George
16:12:26 <George> George: DAISY could do it, but it is a question of Dave's time.
16:13:14 <George> Liisa: If PRH can do it, it would not be a drane on Dave Gunn from DAISY's time.
16:13:26 <jeff> q+
16:13:33 <liisamk> ack jeff
16:13:50 <George> Garth: action item for Liisa with George as a fallback.
16:13:54 <tzviya> q+
16:14:08 <liisamk> ack tzviya
16:14:12 <George> Jeff: WBS is available.
16:14:27 <George> TZ: Survey Monkey is more user friendly.
16:15:04 <liisamk> ack Ralph
16:15:28 <George> Ralph: I will ask our com team if W3C might have a survey monkey account or if we want one. I will report back.
16:16:03 <George> Liisa: F2F and what we need to do in prep.
16:16:10 <tzviya> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zLKHs6RlXOg371ZAlxSbHirwyLlLjXhMcAOKRXRR8SU/edit?usp=sharing
16:16:34 <tzviya> https://docs.google.com/document/d/12mOkAVcopnEA_-H1t_TQ0ocUKzgqeA1u-zcArPdsTss/edit?usp=sharing
16:16:36 <George> TZ: link to goals, and link to agenda.
16:17:45 <George> The Goals document has at the bottom there is a motivation and key drivers. Please fill in this section.
16:18:30 <George> inlcude your name so we can talk about this intelligently. Meeting is one month from today.
16:18:54 <George> Any questions?
16:19:22 <George> Suggestion to add a shorthand note to the document.
16:20:02 <George> Liisa: Chairs discuss want is working and what is not. Can your groups have that discussion in the next two weeks?
16:20:56 <George> TZ: I have been thinking about it, but we should think about it before we discuss.
16:21:03 <jeff> q+
16:22:02 <George> Item just added. Is that a driver for EPUB or the publishing community.
16:22:32 <George> Ivan: There is a technical aspect and a community aspect.
16:22:53 <liisamk> q+
16:23:10 <George> TZ: Is
16:24:17 <Daihei> q+
16:24:28 <ivan> q+
16:24:31 <George> tz: I explained that one item with linking aligns with the web and expanding the community. It brings in parts of pubblishing that is not part of EPUB.
16:24:34 <liisamk> ack jeff
16:24:50 <George> Jeff: Clarification please.
16:25:16 <George> Did you want us to start putting down our ideas for each group?
16:26:04 <ivan> q-
16:26:08 <George> TZ: For now get your ideas down and we do not that much detail. We don't need to figure out what group it belongs to now.
16:26:24 <George> Liisa: Is business a separate driver?
16:26:29 <Avneesh> q+
16:27:21 <liisamk> ack liisamk
16:27:22 <George> What I put in was what would drive sales, and it is also a good reader experience and expanding the business.
16:27:35 <liisamk> ack Daihei
16:28:35 <George> Daihei, : Expand of the whole, which could be a key driver.
16:29:30 <George> Discuss with WG and CG such many different areas entertainment etc. that are interested in what publishing community.
16:30:21 <George> The IG could be could be very interesting to publishing. There are over all we should expand the community to many different areas.
16:30:23 <liisamk> ack Avneesh
16:31:27 <George> Avneesh: Drivers broad or specific. We need to find a balance, w lost Avneesh.
16:31:50 <Avneesh> skype loged me out. logging in agaiin.
16:34:22 <George> Avneesh create balance. Of course we want to expand the business, but how what means can we do that. We need specific examples of what that direction is taken.
16:34:52 <George> We have the same need when talking about integration with the web, but what exactly do we mean by this.
16:35:00 <liisamk> q+
16:35:03 <tzviya> q+
16:35:05 <George> We can refine the document as we move forward.
16:35:50 <George> Liisa: The key drivers feels like our drivers and not necessarily the community we serve.
16:36:51 <George> We want something a better reading experience that would help the community. It does not help membership.
16:37:09 <liisamk> ack liisamk
16:37:52 <George> Avneesh: The commuity question is a good one. The survey will help us get their perspective. It is true that it is our perspective. It will be improved by the survey.
16:38:29 <George> TZ: This is our drivers, but it is our knowledge of the industry. The survey will improve the document.
16:38:57 <George> I don't care who will be working on these things right now; theis can wait.
16:38:59 <liisamk> q+
16:39:06 <liisamk> ack tzviya
16:39:20 <George> For example Liisa has great know of trade.
16:39:46 <George> Liisa: should we pull out or move what Jeff has been working on.
16:40:17 <George> Jeff: I have been adding things. The suggestion is to shift Jeff's part to the bottom.
16:40:29 <liisamk> ack liisamk
16:40:37 <George> Anything else?
16:41:11 <George> Update on EPUB 3 Charter
16:41:25 <ivan> s/Update/Topic: Update/
16:41:27 <garth> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CTwQIhmsyXh0tpS6RLmLLeGDkO5JKHV1FdaXoh3CdXI/edit#
16:41:50 <George> Dave: We have been working on it and there are a lot of comments in the draft charter. We have had robust discussion around goals and the future of EPUB.
16:42:14 <George> Dave has a lot of rewording to do based on the comments.
16:42:26 <ivan> q+
16:42:35 <liisamk> ack ivan
16:42:36 <George> The survey will be very important, and the REC track question is important.
16:43:27 <George> Ivan: We should EPUB 3 group and leave out community group and it may or may not lead to a working group.
16:44:10 <George> Dave: It is currently being worked in the CG, and it could go either way to a CG or a WG.
16:44:24 <ivan> q+
16:44:25 <garth> q?
16:44:29 <garth> ack ivan
16:44:30 <George> Other questions on this?
16:45:16 <George> Ivan: What is the view of the evolution of EPUB in terms of updates?
16:45:43 <George> I have in the back of my mind how the HTML development is going.
16:45:52 <Avneesh> q+
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16:46:30 <liisamk> ack Avneesh
16:46:57 <tzviya> q+
16:47:11 <liisamk> ack dauwhe
16:47:12 <George> Avneesh: This is a tough questions because of the dependencies, EPUBCheck and Reading system. It is difficult because we have the whole ecosystem to move.
16:47:56 <garth> q+
16:47:58 <liisamk> q+
16:48:03 <George> Dave: I agree with Avneesh, that we have a mature spec where backward compatability is important. We don't know what concensis there would be in from the community.
16:48:06 <liisamk> ack tzviya
16:48:46 <ivan> q+
16:48:46 <George> TZ:f Many of the people in our community is framiliar with W3C process.
16:48:57 <liisamk> ack garth
16:49:24 <garth> “EPUB 3.next will be strongly backward-compatible with EPUB 3.2. ”
16:49:30 <George> Garth:I think an effort is going on to figure out the future of EPUB.
16:50:10 <George> Strongly backward compatible is an important aspect. There is a lot of opportunity to drive EPUB forward.
16:50:29 <garth> q?
16:50:34 <garth> ak liisamk
16:50:37 <ivan> ack liisamk
16:50:38 <garth> ack liisamk
16:51:23 <liisamk> ack ivan
16:51:26 <George> Lissa: It will be hard to get some of these things from a survey. People are looking at updating back lists. People wil need to realize to understand that need to touch their backlist title.
16:51:58 <dauwhe> q+
16:52:20 <liisamk> ack dauwhe
16:52:32 <George> Ivan: We need to understand what the community wants and expects. We have to have a clear view view and understand what the community wants. We don't another 3.1 situation.
16:53:44 <tzviya> +1 to dauwhe
16:53:51 <wendyreid> +1
16:54:22 <George> Dave: Web developers think of developing HTML and not a specific version. Maintaining compatability of EPUBWe need to bring the spec up without breaking anything.
16:54:55 <George> Ivan: Can we get this idea in the charter, in the scope right up front.
16:57:11 <ivan> zakim, end meeting
16:57:11 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been tzviya, dauwhe, George, liisamk, Avneesh, jeff, wendyreid, Bill_Kasdorf, Ralph, ivan, Garth, Daihei
16:57:13 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:57:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/24-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
16:57:16 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, ivan; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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