16:01:30 RRSAgent has joined #tt 16:01:30 logging to https://www.w3.org/2020/01/23-tt-irc 16:01:32 RRSAgent, make logs Public 16:01:33 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 16:01:35 Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/90 16:02:03 Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2020/01/16-tt-minutes.html 16:02:19 Present: Andreas, Cyril, Glenn, Nigel 16:02:26 Chair: Nigel 16:02:26 cyril has joined #tt 16:03:05 regrets: Gary, Pierre 16:03:31 scribe: nigel 16:03:37 Topic: This meeting 16:03:42 atai2 has joined #tt 16:04:18 glenn has joined #tt 16:04:34 Present+ Atsushi 16:05:16 Nigel: We have one IMSC issue (noting Pierre's absence), and a checkpoint on TTML2 CR publication. 16:05:19 .. Any other business? 16:05:25 group: [no other business] 16:05:43 Topic: IMSC 1.2 FPWD Next steps 16:05:50 Nigel: we have one issue for the agenda. 16:06:08 .. Perhaps we can try to cover it even without the IMSC Editor present. 16:06:22 Topic: Potential semantic conflict between ttp:profile and ttp:contentProfiles. imsc#506 16:06:28 github: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/506 16:07:15 Nigel: I see that Glenn has given this some thought and added some comments. 16:07:26 .. This includes a proposal for an informative note for TTML2. That could go into IMSC too. 16:07:34 Glenn: Sure, I wouldn't mind that in IMSC 1.2, that'd be fine. 16:08:12 Nigel: I certainly wouldn't object to that. 16:08:25 Glenn: There's another note with similar language at the beginning, under styles. 16:09:32 Nigel: I see, in the note at the bottom of https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/#styling-attribute-vocabulary 16:09:48 Glenn: I have 10-12 issues on TTV asking for warnings that aren't in any specification that a tool could do, 16:10:04 .. for example every IDE or tool chain has something like lint or the equivalent that suggests things that an author 16:10:20 .. might want to avoid, and it's always something that gets developed and enhanced over time. There's no standard 16:10:33 .. for them, and they get improved. I consider it a Quality of Implementation and competition issue. 16:11:01 .. Standards can never adequately enforce everything that implementers might come up with. 16:11:18 Cyril: Maybe having the warning in the IMSC specification would prevent IMSC authors from doing stupid things. 16:11:32 .. I'm wondering in practice how many people will do the stupid thing. 16:11:45 Nigel: We should assume that people will always do any stupid thing that's available. 16:12:02 Cyril: The consumer suffers when the author makes a mistake, I don't want that. 16:12:37 Nigel: Are you saying that a note like Glenn's proposal in the comment would be helpful? 16:13:34 Cyril: I wouldn't object to adding the note but the spec is okay as is. 16:13:47 Glenn: Nigel is suggesting adding it to IMSC 1.2 and I have no objection to that. 16:13:50 Cyril: I'm fine with that. 16:14:54 SUMMARY: Consensus reached to add a note to IMSC 1.2 along the lines of @skynavga's comment earlier today. Comments from the Editor welcome. 16:15:33 Topic: TTML2 2nd Edition Wide Review 16:15:50 Nigel: I don't think I have seen any wide review comments coming in? 16:18:52 Glenn: I note that we didn't specify a response date in the request for HR. 16:19:03 Nigel: I don't recall but I agree that would have been a good thing to do. 16:19:13 Glenn: A comment for future reference. 16:19:15 Nigel: Thank you. 16:19:37 Nigel: Is anyone aware of any specific HR comments that we have received? 16:20:13 https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/208 16:21:01 Nigel: Looking at the list at https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/75 I don't think we had any response from 16:21:11 .. accessibility, security or TAG. 16:21:27 Atsushi: I couldn't find any response on accessibility or security. 16:22:34 Nigel: Looking at https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/432 I think TAG has not yet picked this up. 16:23:03 Nigel: At this stage I see no reason to hold back from publication on the 28th. Does anyone disagree with that? 16:23:14 Glenn: I know no reason why not. 16:23:47 .. Is there any meeting that needs to be held? 16:24:04 Nigel: Atsushi posted the transition request link above. I don't expect any meeting for this. 16:24:14 Atsushi: I agree, I'm not expecting a call for transition to CR. 16:24:25 .. If this request is acceptable for management it will automatically be approved. 16:24:38 Glenn: Atsushi, have you already uploaded the document to the dated URI in the /TR space? 16:24:42 Atsushi: Not yet 16:24:48 Glenn: When do you plan to do that? 16:25:05 Atsushi: In parallel to getting approval for transition. I will ping plh on approval and also for further ideas. 16:25:08 Glenn: Further ideas? 16:25:29 Atsushi: If he has any objections or comments on the transition request I need to get him to update it or I need to convince him. 16:25:35 Glenn: When do you plan to resolve that conversation? 16:25:44 Atsushi: After this meeting. 16:26:08 .. The usual approval meeting will be Wednesday and Friday so I assume it will be this Friday. 16:26:23 Glenn: Ok, so tomorrow. It's almost Friday your time already! 16:26:48 Atsushi: Friday MIT time! 16:27:08 Glenn: Ok, so if there are any issues you will learn about them within the next 24 hours and you should let me and Nigel know right away, ok? 16:27:11 Atsushi: I hope so! 16:28:48 minutes https://www.w3.org/2020/01/23-i18n-minutes.html#item06 16:29:07 Glenn: If there's any issue please ping me. 16:29:09 Nigel: Absolutely. 16:29:18 Cyril: We just got 2 issues through from i18n. 16:29:37 Nigel: One is 7 minutes ago, the other 3 minutes ago. 16:30:01 .. Scanning them, they both say that they can wait until 3rd Ed, so still no reason to hold back publication. 16:30:55 Nigel: Summarising, there's a resolution already to publish TTML2 2nd Ed CR, 16:31:05 .. we have a transition request, which we expect to be processed tomorrow, 16:31:28 .. and I will send a status update/reminder to Philippe and Atsushi to try to avoid this being passed over, 16:31:39 .. so that we can achieve our target publication date of 28th January. 16:32:50 Glenn: For processing, I will mark the new issues as 3rd Edition. 16:33:12 Atsushi: I told i18n what I told us, that TTML repo has 3rd Ed labels so we can use them. 16:33:21 Nigel: Just for clarity, they are milestones not labels. 16:34:37 Topic: AOB - (Re-)join to timed text WG after charter renewal 16:34:54 Atsushi: I'm not aware of any unresolved issues here. There's one ongoing conversation, but no issues. 16:35:02 Nigel: OK, I will take this agenda item off for next week. 16:36:10 Topic: Meeting close 16:36:24 Nigel: Thanks everyone, we have completed our agenda so I will adjourn until next week. [adjourns meeting] 16:36:29 zakim, end meeting 16:36:29 As of this point the attendees have been Andreas, Cyril, Glenn, Nigel, Atsushi 16:36:31 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 16:36:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/23-tt-minutes.html Zakim 16:36:34 I am happy to have been of service, nigel; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 16:36:38 Zakim has left #tt 16:36:38 github-bot, end topic 16:42:13 scribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics 16:42:18 s/github-bot, end topic//g 16:42:29 rrsagent, make minute v2 16:42:29 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minute v2', nigel. 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