23:58:39 RRSAgent has joined #pbg 23:58:39 logging to https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-pbg-irc 23:58:49 Meeting: Publishing Business Group Telecon 23:58:54 Karen has joined #pbg 23:58:59 jyoshii has joined #pbg 00:01:57 jyoshii_ has joined #pbg 00:05:15 Daihei has joined #pbg 00:08:00 scribenick: dauwhe 00:08:26 Chair: Daihei 00:08:36 Date: 2020-01-21 00:09:25 Daihei: let's get started 00:09:38 Topic: epubcheck fundraising 00:09:52 present+ 00:09:52 Daihei: Apple is committing $20,000 00:10:02 ... confirmed via George 00:10:17 ... and 10k from APL thanks to jyoshii 00:10:28 ... we still need 15k 00:10:32 ... we are very close 00:11:04 ... since epub 4.2.2 is working well enough, this means people might not be wanting to fund 00:11:23 ... but we still need the money to complete the work program, correct bugs, etc. 00:11:33 present+ jyoshii, Daihei 00:11:48 ... I am trying to reach out to Japan and Asia industry partners 00:11:54 ... going on beyond w3c members 00:12:13 ... trying to reach out with Bill K, etc 00:12:29 ... to all other industry organizations around the world 00:12:36 ... to finish raising the 15k 00:13:05 ... we might get 2k from ???? 00:13:44 ... I would appreciate everyone in Japan and elsewhere, let's focus on this to achieve our goal 00:13:52 ... any questions? 00:14:09 Topic: PBG call schedule confirmed 00:14:23 ... I listed in the agenda the calls for the first half of the year 00:14:33 q+ 00:14:37 ... any questions about the call schedule? 00:15:05 ... you should have info from garth 00:15:38 ShinyaTakami: schedule is... 00:15:59 Daihei: it should always be on the same day of the week; it should be on Wednesday in Japan 00:16:08 ... did you see any contradictory data? 00:16:19 ShinyaTakami: march 17 is tuesday? 00:16:24 Daihei: let me double check 00:16:40 ... and I will provide correct information 00:16:48 ... and I can ask Garth to update the invitations 00:17:00 q? 00:17:04 ack sh 00:17:12 Topic: epub roadmap survey 00:17:27 ... I was hoping that Liisa could talk about it 00:17:57 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZLAIgAH7hoWo56uov3QN2-jaMY6MaWQKJrAys1GwDdY/edit# 00:19:14 dauwhe: survey is gdoc; link above 00:19:23 ... comments welcome 00:19:44 ... hoping for soft launch by beginning of february 00:19:52 Daihei: do you know what the timing might me? 00:20:08 dauwhe: I don't know about the mechanics of turning this into an actual survey & hosting 00:20:18 Daihei: so content is probably done by the end of next week? 00:20:23 dauwhe: yes 00:20:44 present+ Makoto 00:20:56 Daihei: members of japan/asia publishing business group people 00:21:15 ... I am intending to send out notes about some research I made when I was in Japan in December 00:21:34 ... and I will try to incorporate some of what I learned for the EPUB roadmap 00:21:53 ... when you get the notes please get back to me with your thoughts and ideas 00:22:01 ... feel free to respond in Japanese or English 00:22:02 MURATA has joined #pbg 00:22:02 +present 00:22:05 q+ 00:22:23 present+ MURATA 00:22:26 ack mur 00:22:40 MURATA: survey long time ago about possible extensions of epub3 00:22:50 ... will be that added? 00:23:00 ... it had 200 features, some covered by epub 3 already 00:23:13 ... there are some features like running heads, page layout stuff 00:23:24 ... can we incorporate that document in the survey? 00:23:39 Daihei: what i was talking about was the list of inquiries 00:24:00 ... I wanted to share the information I got from several people from Japan and asia publishing community 00:24:09 ... the things they want to see in the epub roadmap 00:24:22 ... I will share that info with you, and then will incorporate what I hear from you all 00:24:47 ... if ENPAJ stuff already exists, you could include it in the gdoc? 00:25:06 MURATA: what's the URL of gdoc? 00:25:15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZLAIgAH7hoWo56uov3QN2-jaMY6MaWQKJrAys1GwDdY/edit#heading=h.7x3vv1z1bna 00:25:54 ... if there are publishing features that are needed, we should request 00:26:13 ShinyaTakami: it's difficult because of English 00:26:45 Daihei: the original version of guidelines is in Japanese. Is there an english version? 00:26:45 http://ebpaj.jp/counsel/youbou 00:26:46 q+ 00:26:48 Daihei: yes 00:27:08 ... we could include a single line about the list of recommendation in the EBPAJ doc 00:27:14 ... that could be included 00:27:48 ShinyaTakami: the EBPAJ doc is over five years old, and it's out of date 00:27:59 ... the japanese ebook business is drastically changed 00:28:09 ... and publishers in japan would not request the same features now 00:28:12 +Q 00:28:15 ack sh 00:28:19 ack mu 00:28:33 MURATA: I agree that some features which were requested are now irrelevant 00:28:47 ... but some things japanese publishing still cares about, like centering titles in page 00:28:53 q+ 00:29:20 Daihei: it sounds like someone should review the EBPAJ document 00:29:24 ... from 2013 00:29:52 ... whatever still-viable questions and requests exist in there, we could include in the survey 00:30:13 ... would it be possible for you, murata-san, to take a look, and provide the things to the survey 00:30:15 MURATA: yes 00:30:28 ... I have ten featuers in mind :) 00:30:34 s/featuers/features/ 00:30:53 Daihei: you already made several points about epub 3.2 or whatever is coming 00:31:05 ... after TPAC fukuoka you presented some of them 00:31:16 ... and there is a recent APL presentation where you made some points 00:31:34 ... so I wanted to get in touch with you to secure the ideas we should include into the survey 00:31:46 ShinyaTakami: OK 00:31:49 q? 00:31:51 ack dai 00:32:03 Topic: PWG audiobooks standards 00:32:21 Daihei: I listed the latest info in the agenda, the info is in github 00:32:30 ... what the status is right now 00:32:47 ... and there will be a webinar with BISG on February 18 about the audiobook standard 00:32:52 ... any questions? 00:33:32 q? 00:33:48 Topic: PBGSC F2F, February 24 00:33:55 ... the agenda is still being discussed 00:36:01 ... some possible topics 00:36:12 ... 1. scope and strategy for publishing @ w3c 00:36:23 s/.../dauwhe: 00:36:33 .. 2. leadership of groups 00:36:46 ... 3. Survey 00:36:54 ... 4. EPUB Roadmap 00:37:02 ... 5. EPUB testing 00:37:17 ... 6. relationship with other working groups--ARIA, CSS, etc 00:37:28 ... 7. Community Building Strategy 00:37:38 Daihei: we'll keep you updated 00:38:45 ... highly likely that scope of publishing groups will be one of the bigger issues. 00:38:52 ... this will be an important meeting. 00:38:59 ... and before, I can discuss with all of you here 00:39:08 ... and talk with other japan PBG members 00:39:11 q? 00:39:38 Topic: a11y 00:39:44 Daihei: when we had chairs meeting 00:40:03 ... Some japanese publishers were inquiring about a11y 00:40:13 ... since there are lots of regulations in europe and the U.S 00:40:26 ... and that should be taken into account in Japanese publishing industry 00:40:43 ... so all the links I provided here, this is what the japanese publishers could be referring to 00:41:06 ... and they can consider what european and U.S. publishers are implementing in response to these regulations 00:41:10 My talk in a recent APL seminar provides an overview of trade book a11y. 00:41:27 ... there are courses provided by W3C 00:41:43 ... and docs from ??? which are translated into Japanese 00:42:10 MURATA: I gave a talk about a11y at APL 00:42:24 ... a high-level overview; that might be a good starting point for japanese publishers 00:42:35 ... I can provide a link 00:42:44 https://www.aplab.jp/symposium04 00:43:04 Daihei: what would be the best way to share the information to the community? 00:43:15 ... through EBPAJ, etc.? 00:43:44 MURATA: for some reason the link to my powerpoint is broken; I will fix 00:44:09 ... if people see my powerpoint and recorded presentation, they will get a good high-level overview 00:44:16 ... this is the best place to start 00:44:46 Daihei: how can we share outside of APL? But it's import to share with EBPAJ members, comic association etc 00:45:20 ... I will send out this info to EBPAJ managing direction, and to digital comic association, and ??? 00:45:44 ... and could you all give me some links to share? 00:46:07 jyoshii: I talked with ??? yesterday 00:46:24 ... we have already been approached about a11y issues 00:47:34 Karen has joined #pbg 00:48:58 Daihei: anything else? 00:49:46 q? 00:49:53 Daihei: thanks everyone! 00:50:01 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:50:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-pbg-minutes.html dauwhe 00:50:09 RRSAgent, make logs public 00:50:30 zakim, who is here? 00:50:30 Present: ShinyaTakami, jyoshii, Daihei, Makoto, present, MURATA 00:50:32 On IRC I see Karen, MURATA, Daihei, jyoshii, RRSAgent, Zakim, ShinyaTakami, Rachel, wendyreid, dauwhe, bigbluehat 00:50:42 RRSAgent: bye 00:50:42 I see no action items