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15:55:22 <ivan_> Meeting: Publishing Chairs’ Telco
15:55:22 <ivan_> Chair:  liisa
15:55:22 <ivan_> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2019Nov/0007.html
15:55:22 <ivan_> Date: 2019-11-15
15:55:22 <ivan_> Regrets+ wendy, daihei
15:55:47 <George> present+
15:58:32 <ivan_> present+
16:00:49 <dauwhe_> present+
16:01:03 <ivan> scribe+ luc
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16:04:37 <ivan> Topic: EPUBCheck funding
16:04:40 <laudrain> topic: EPUBCheck funding
16:04:52 <dauwhe> scribe+
16:04:56 <ivan> scribe+
16:04:58 <dauwhe> laudrain: we have 2/3 of the money
16:05:06 <ivan> scribe-
16:05:10 <dauwhe> ... we are still lacking $50,000
16:05:32 <dauwhe> ... we are launching individual emails to people who have not contributed
16:05:54 <dauwhe> ... with George we have tried to contact Apple through dsinger
16:06:07 <dauwhe> ... and we have answered dsinger's questions
16:06:17 <dauwhe> ... any news, george?
16:06:24 <Ralph> present+
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16:06:29 <Ralph> [Ralph arrives]
16:06:35 <jeff> present+
16:07:04 <dauwhe> ... I've been contacting people in Europe
16:07:15 <dauwhe> ... and presented at the general assembly of federation of Euro publishers
16:07:33 <ivan> s/Euro/European/
16:07:34 <dauwhe> George: I've been in contact with Apple; Tzviya and Avneesh will see dsinger at AB meeting
16:07:42 <dauwhe> laudrain: we are pushing everywhere
16:08:01 <dauwhe> ... but no money so far
16:08:31 <laudrain> AB meetin
16:08:31 <dauwhe> ... none from France except HL
16:08:42 <laudrain> s/AB meetin//
16:08:46 <liisamk> q+
16:09:30 <laudrain> Liisa: people don't understand why they have to give money
16:09:56 <dauwhe> liisamk: I'm hearing feedback that people aren't quite sure why they are contributing since 4.2.2 is already out
16:09:59 <laudrain> ... this next phase need to be more explained
16:10:01 <dauwhe> laudrain: have they read the web page?
16:10:23 <laudrain> laudrain: did they read the updated next page?
16:10:24 <dauwhe> liisamk: on Tuesday, Daihei let the japanese publishers comment frankly in Japanese
16:11:37 <laudrain> liisamk: Daihei is working on it with Japanese publishers
16:12:02 <dauwhe> laudrain: is there some effort to communicate about this in every country
16:12:11 <George> q+
16:12:17 <liisamk> ack liisamk
16:12:22 <liisamk> ack George
16:12:39 <laudrain> george: the AAP ?
16:12:46 <liisamk> q+
16:13:00 <laudrain> ... they contribute to other services
16:13:21 <laudrain> liisamk: the AAP may be able to reach for american publishers
16:13:24 <laudrain> q+
16:13:40 <laudrain> ... focused on copyright and legal isssues
16:13:52 <laudrain> ... not on standard and tech
16:13:59 <laudrain> ... maybe the BISG
16:14:09 <liisamk> ack liisamk
16:14:10 <laudrain> george: IMS global ?
16:14:21 <liisamk> ack laudrain
16:14:35 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:15:06 <dauwhe> laudrain: people have to know that to sell ebooks in europe, the ebooks must be accessible
16:15:25 <dauwhe> ... how does this relate to epubcheck? An epub needs to be valid before it's accessible
16:15:30 <George> q+
16:15:48 <liisamk> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:15:58 <laudrain> Billk: bisg could put info in the newsletter
16:16:23 <laudrain> ... i could be an article from one of the chairs
16:17:32 <laudrain> https://www.w3.org/publishing/epubcheck_fundraising
16:18:09 <laudrain> george: contact rick on the board of IMS global
16:18:19 <liisamk> q+
16:18:26 <laudrain> ... and their publishers
16:18:57 <laudrain> liisamk: to BISG a message for all who use EPUBCheck
16:19:13 <liisamk> ack George
16:19:22 <laudrain> ... to vendors
16:19:23 <dauwhe> laudrain: some vendors have already contributed
16:19:33 <liisamk> ack liisamk
16:19:47 <laudrain> liisamk: conversion partners
16:19:51 <Bill_Kasdorf> conversion and prepress--they all use epubcheck
16:19:56 <dauwhe> laudrain: that's a good point
16:20:22 <laudrain> topic: Update on EPUB/Publishing Survey
16:20:51 <laudrain> liisamk: a very broad reach to people who use EPUB
16:21:04 <laudrain> ... and to people who don't : why
16:21:18 <laudrain> ... Dave is building some questions
16:21:32 <laudrain> ... form mini survey in the EPUB cG
16:21:40 <jeff> q+ to ask for a pointer to the tentative list of questions
16:21:48 <laudrain> ... some business needs that hold them back
16:22:04 <laudrain> ... how we coudl that to put people in action?
16:22:14 <laudrain> ... dave, billk
16:22:33 <laudrain> dauwhe: started
16:23:05 <laudrain> jeff: i endorse the notion reaching broadly
16:23:17 <laudrain> ... and people not using EPUB too
16:23:27 <liisamk> q+
16:23:31 <liisamk> ack jeff
16:23:31 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to ask for a pointer to the tentative list of questions
16:23:34 <laudrain> ... for those using EPUB, what would be the next phase
16:23:37 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:23:42 <laudrain> daushe: absolutely
16:23:58 <laudrain> liisamk: absolutely, the easy part
16:24:06 <ivan> s/daushe/dauwhe/
16:24:22 <laudrain> ... an d a broader reach, communication, tech issue?
16:24:23 <liisamk> ack liisamk
16:24:39 <liisamk> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:24:45 <laudrain> BillK: survey to people tech aware
16:24:59 <laudrain> ... and what do you publish you don't use EPUB for?
16:25:07 <laudrain> ... coffe table books
16:25:17 <laudrain> ... we can't do these books in EPUB
16:25:24 <George> IBM distributes all their publications as EPUB, I will take an action item to try to find the right person at IBM to ask them to contribute to EPUBCheck. The person I will approach is Phil Jenkins.
16:25:34 <laudrain> liisamk: can't jounals, no local storage
16:26:03 <liisamk> q+
16:26:34 <laudrain> liisamk: initersting conversation wiht japanese on tuesday on PEUB adotpion
16:26:46 <laudrain> ... thay have completely switch !
16:27:09 <dauwhe> q+
16:27:12 <laudrain> ... in was not completely easy but it could help us understand
16:27:15 <dauwhe> ack li
16:27:16 <liisamk> ack liisamk
16:27:32 <liisamk> ack dauwhe
16:27:53 <laudrain> dauwhe: Hachette Book Group switch to EPUBCheck 4.2.2
16:28:11 <laudrain> laudrain: Hachette Livre ion 25th November
16:28:24 <laudrain> topic: Discuss accessibility needs for publishing—websites and publications
16:29:00 <laudrain> liisamk: need people undersatnd changes in Europe impact broder than Europe
16:29:10 <laudrain> ... doing this work collectivetly
16:29:38 <laudrain> ... conversation show there are different ideas of a11y
16:29:46 <jeff> q+
16:29:54 <liisamk> ack jeff
16:30:13 <dauwhe> q+
16:30:14 <laudrain> jeff: EPUB3.2 do anything about A11Y?
16:30:46 <laudrain> ... EPUB3.2 sucessor specification reference WCAG?
16:30:57 <George> q+
16:30:59 <laudrain> ... strong stateement swith EPUB value
16:31:06 <liisamk> ack dauwhe
16:31:18 <laudrain> dauwhe: EPUB 3.2 does point to the EPUB a11Y document
16:31:25 <liisamk> q+
16:31:42 <laudrain> ... you could make an EPUB lokking normal but totalyy unaccessible
16:31:50 <laudrain> q+
16:31:54 <liisamk> ack George
16:31:54 <ivan> s/lokking/looking/
16:32:15 <laudrain> george: Ricjk Johnson Vital Source an EOPUB is more accesible by nature than a PDF
16:32:27 <ivan> s/Ricjk/Rick/
16:32:38 <laudrain> ... expose metadat insaide the EPUB along with a11y summary
16:32:47 <laudrain> ... say screen readerr friendly
16:32:58 <ivan> s/readerr/reader/
16:33:05 <laudrain> ... a publication can be produce withut alt text, not accessible
16:33:35 <tzviya> present+
16:33:40 <laudrain> ... rigourous testing, presentation to XX to expose it cannot be accessible
16:34:25 <laudrain> liisamk: beyond EPUB3.2 , somethong to make it accessible
16:34:41 <liisamk> ack laudrain
16:34:45 <liisamk> ack liisamk
16:35:23 <ivan> q+
16:35:43 <Avneesh> q+
16:36:06 <ivan> q-
16:36:52 <laudrain> avneesh: messaging
16:36:54 <liisamk> ack Avneesh
16:37:08 <laudrain> ... messages to the publishers or WAI outreach group?
16:37:29 <laudrain> ... knowledge about Europe a11Y act
16:38:00 <laudrain> liisamk: understundable statement on what the EAA will change for US publishers
16:38:19 <ivan> s/understundable/understandable/
16:38:24 <laudrain> ... accessible web site and acceessible procdcut then it implies that...
16:38:45 <laudrain> ... what do we mean by an accessible product
16:39:11 <garth> q?
16:39:20 <laudrain> avneesh: luc Cristina ae involved with the Euorpean commission
16:39:28 <Bill_Kasdorf> This was written to get the attention of publishers. It has gotten a lot of attention. https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/publisher-news/article/81705-make-e-books-accessible-now.html
16:39:32 <ivan> s/ae/is/
16:39:37 <laudrain> ... work together ion a joint statement
16:39:44 <ivan> s/ion/on/
16:40:47 <laudrain> george: EPUB3 CG is developping as a note user experience displpay of metadata
16:40:54 <laudrain> ... like Vital Source does
16:41:05 <laudrain> ... promoting this in Higher Ed
16:41:26 <laudrain> ...in teh US more tahn Higher ed, but alos libraries and k12
16:41:40 <liisamk> q+
16:41:49 <laudrain> ... promote this through Lib Congress
16:42:15 <laudrain> ... makinfg know though libraries, natural extension of the work of the CG
16:42:41 <laudrain> liisamk: thank you bill for sharing the article
16:43:06 <laudrain> ... should we encourage people in their organisaiotn web site and ublicaitons
16:43:29 <laudrain> ... supreme court, do more effort
16:43:32 <liisamk> ack liisamk
16:43:48 <laudrain> ... anything else?
16:44:03 <laudrain> Topipc: idpf web site
16:44:17 <liisamk> ack Ralph
16:44:19 <laudrain> Ralph: I will address that
16:44:21 <ivan> s/Topipc/Topic/
16:44:34 <laudrain> ... technical detail on the hosting
16:44:47 <laudrain> ... virtula host service GoDaddy for years
16:45:01 <laudrain> ... godaddy shut down the service in september
16:45:29 <laudrain> ... some warning and I created a backup
16:45:38 <laudrain> ... rehosted on a W3C machine
16:45:55 <laudrain> ... working to creat ethe virtual machine on W3C host
16:46:03 <laudrain> ... that process much delayed
16:46:12 <laudrain> ... apologies
16:46:13 <ivan> s/creat ethe/create the/
16:46:51 <laudrain> ... if the recreatiton service aahs issues still next week, a temporaryly solution
16:46:55 <dauwhe> q+
16:47:22 <laudrain> liisamk: Amazon issued new pub guidelines with more A11Y inside$
16:47:38 <laudrain> ... with link to DAISY and IDPF links
16:47:38 <ivan> s/inside$/inside/
16:48:01 <laudrain> ralph: fondamental principles "coll uris do not change"
16:48:10 <ivan> s/coll/cool/
16:48:16 <laudrain> ... we will bring these uri back
16:48:30 <liisamk> ack dauwhe
16:48:44 <laudrain> dauwhe: some doc of the CG have copioes on github
16:48:54 <laudrain> ... is there way to give access
16:49:11 <laudrain> Ralph: I ill extract them for you$
16:49:24 <ivan> s/you$/you/
16:49:28 <laudrain> s/ill/will/
16:49:40 <ivan> s/copioes/copies/
16:50:01 <laudrain> liisamk: AOB?
16:50:20 <laudrain> ... tahnks to all
16:50:30 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:50:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/11/15-pbgsc-minutes.html ivan
16:50:30 <ivan> zakim, bye
16:50:30 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:50:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
16:50:30 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been George, ivan_, dauwhe_, luc, dauwhe, liisamk, Bill_Kasdorf, Avneesh, Garth, laudrain, Ralph, jeff, tzviya