01:05:10 RRSAgent has joined #pbg 01:05:10 logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/11/13-pbg-irc 01:05:28 Meeting: Publishing Business Group Telecon 01:05:55 MURATA has joined #pbg 01:05:59 Date: 12/13 November 2019 01:06:04 Daihei has joined #pbg 01:06:24 Chair: Daihei Shiohama 01:07:03 Liisa,sorry, for some reason, I cannot enter in the GoToMeeting now. Will you please headstart the meeting now? 01:07:14 I will join in ASAP 01:08:30 scribenick: liisamk 01:10:59 Daihei: EPUBcheck fundraising is needed to move things forward 01:11:19 ...there needs to be about $50K more for after Jan 01:11:47 Yoshi: $10K forthcoming from APL after board meeting 01:12:08 Daihei: other parties we need to get in touch with 01:12:35 ...maybe the task force and Bill, Daihei, Yoshi-san to get in touch with all parties globally 01:13:10 ...see if there are any other chances to make fund investment 01:14:01 Liisa: this next phase is a technical restabilization that is very important 01:14:15 Daihei: critical to get funds from all over the world 01:14:30 Topic: EPUB 3.2 and EPUBcheck 4.2 adoption 01:14:51 Daihei: ask Japanese members how the adoption is happening 01:15:12 q+ 01:15:22 I believe that EPUB 3.2 is everywhere. 01:15:32 ack jkamata 01:16:25 Kamata-san: certified that adoption in Japan of epub 3.2 and epubcheck 4.2 have been working find 01:16:43 ...error message issues is going ok 01:17:11 Murata-san: says EPUB 3.2 is everywhere now 01:17:52 Yoshi-san: says that MDJ, the ebook distributor, says there is no problem with EPUB 3.2 01:18:08 ...major publishers, the 4 majors, have no problem with EPUB 3.2 01:18:20 q+ 01:18:34 ...epubcheck is working fine 01:18:45 ack jkamata 01:20:22 We need more bugs in epubcheck for fundraising :-) 01:20:42 No problems, no budget. 01:20:53 Kamata-san: pointed out the comments from call that people think things are working well and they don't see an issue to solve with the validation 01:21:31 ...making funds available seems difficult to understand without an explanation of why it makes sense for Japan 01:21:36 q+ 01:23:44 Liisa: understand the issues with needing to understand why the tech changes make sense 01:23:58 ...congratulations to Japanese market for adopting so quickly 01:24:20 ...US and Europe reports were that adoption is going well, but is not done everywhere yet 01:24:26 ...may be the end of year 01:24:50 Daihei: encouraging people to stay engaged and want to find out from Taiwan 01:25:22 ...encourage also involvement in EPUB roadmap, which we will discuss in a bit 01:25:32 ack liisamk 01:25:39 Topic: Accessibility 01:27:44 Liisa: for the European market there is a lot of interest in accessibility coming from new EU laws 01:27:44 +q 01:27:55 ShinyaTakami has joined #pbg 01:28:14 present+ 01:28:19 ...in EU need to get books and websites done by 2025 01:29:00 Murata-san: new laws in Japan is not as strong as Europe, there will be meetings very soon 01:29:12 ...we'll see what happens from that meeting 01:29:34 ...summary from what Italian publishers are doing and looked at ACE and SMART 01:29:55 Daihei: ask if received white paper from Italy 01:30:12 ack murata 01:32:51 Karen has joined #pbg 01:34:33 Liisa: in the US there are fewer legal requirements, but there is starting to be more interest 01:34:56 ...the publishers are looking at what the Europe laws mean 01:35:20 Murata-san: things are moving slowly in Japan, but steadily 01:35:23 ...things are changing 01:36:53 Liisa: accessibility in Canada is still moving slowly though their laws require it 01:37:39 Daihei: two subjects becoming sensitive to privacy - GDPR compliance and privacy issues are serious in Europe 01:38:03 ...Jan 2020 California will require strict privacy compliance 01:38:31 ...attention to internet privacy and accessibility will become larger 01:39:19 Topic: After EPUB 3.2, What Next? 01:39:53 ...EPUB 3.2 make a sizable market for manga 01:40:23 ...EPUB 3 and 3.x specs and ebook ecosystems are compatible and no issues for the business 01:40:48 ...industry and publishers are basically interested in maintaining the compatibility to EPUB 3 01:41:11 ...parts of the online business is being changed and publishing cannot be left behind 01:41:22 ...we need to discuss where we are going to 01:41:38 ...sent link to the CG roadmap document 01:41:55 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mAqdj2HTN7p8cgncToA7yRCKmz5trLTZ4ATI7trl7KM/edit#heading=h.eszf0tmwgc6u 01:42:40 ...new features like: forms of content, navigation for large complex docs, dynamic advertising, non-linear content, improve css support 01:43:11 ...what has more needs in the publishing industry? 01:43:28 ...would like to hear thoughts about how we make progress from here to the future 01:43:32 ...comments? 01:43:44 +q 01:44:08 Murata-san: what is current plan for EPUB accessibility techniques? 01:44:22 ...current spec is from IDPF and is required 01:44:37 Daihei: accessibility is an issue in the roadmap 01:46:19 Liisa: movement from IDPF accessibility to WCAG/ARIA evolution and Luc working to get to ISO approval 01:48:34 Topic: Survey 01:49:09 Liisa: Publishing@W3C and SC want outreach to people in our communities and broadly beyond to discuss the future needs for publishers 01:49:42 ...survey draft working on now, but hope the survey would help us get to conversations with people about what we all need 01:49:49 ...survey to go out in 2020 01:50:39 Daihei: conversations with the media and entertainment groups at W3C and discuss sharing thoughts between publishing and media 01:50:59 ...going to have co-chairs call to get discussion started and share info 01:51:41 ...the Internet of Things WG also has interest in working together 01:51:56 ...want to see where there are future issues and intersections 01:54:54 Takami-san: he already explained his plan for maintenance of EPUB 3.2 at TPAC 01:55:28 ...different type of media content like video and new revenue for advertising could be areas where business needs may arise 01:56:00 Daihei: haven't approached immersive web WG in the W3C, maybe that is interesting 01:56:22 ...crossover for publishing for VR and AR seems something that will happen 01:56:46 ...would like to talk to them about collaboration as well 01:57:43 ...new year we will have draft of survey and will distribute around the world 01:58:13 Topic: Next Steps 01:58:38 Daihei: approach organizations about EPUBcheck fundraising 01:58:51 ...will come back with info about the meetings with other WGs 01:59:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 01:59:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/11/13-pbg-minutes.html liisamk 01:59:22 rrsagent, make logs public 01:59:35 Thank you, Liisa 01:59:35 zakim, bye 01:59:35 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been ShinyaTakami 01:59:35 Zakim has left #pbg 01:59:45 rrsagent, bye 01:59:45 I see no action items