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20:32:19 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
20:32:57 <PWinstanley> regrets+ RiccardoAlbertoni
20:41:51 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
20:42:16 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.11.12
20:47:00 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
20:47:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/11/12-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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21:08:52 <antoine> scribenick: antoine
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21:09:07 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2019/11/05-dxwg-minutes
21:09:13 <antoine> Topic: admin
21:09:21 <antoine> +0
21:09:25 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:09:27 <kcoyle> +1
21:09:37 <roba> +1
21:09:46 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:09:47 <PWinstanley> +1
21:09:59 <PWinstanley> resolved: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2019/11/05-dxwg-minutes
21:10:11 <antoine> Topic: DCAT
21:10:28 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:10:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/11/12-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:10:30 <antoine> PWinstanley: no update. Philippe has been ill.
21:11:07 <antoine> ... Other thing we need to think about: publication and reporting when DCAT becomes REC
21:11:22 <antoine> ... a lot of people have helped us with comments
21:11:39 <antoine> ... we could send them an email updating them on the story
21:11:46 <antoine> ... I could draft a mail.
21:11:51 <antoine> ...
21:12:06 <antoine> ... We can also write a W3C blog. I can start a draft.
21:12:11 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, PWinstanley.
21:12:18 <antoine> ... But I would welcome the contributions of others.
21:12:26 <DaveBrowning> Happy to help polish...
21:13:00 <antoine> PWinstanley: the journey is also worth documenting
21:13:21 <antoine> ... Maybe Andrea would be up to give a little exposé?
21:13:44 <antoine> ... that would be a 3rd paper
21:14:03 <antoine> AndreaPerego: this is ongoing discussion
21:14:12 <antoine> PWinstanley: can we bring it into plenary?
21:14:29 <antoine> AndreaPerego: one option is a technical paper providing a description of the new version
21:14:45 <antoine> ... submitting it to the ontology track of Semantic Web Journal
21:14:59 <antoine> ... Another is to describe the uptake
21:15:41 <antoine> ... We could also look at the use cases contributed
21:16:25 <antoine> ... from scientific data. Bridging gov data with scientific data.
21:16:34 <kcoyle> q+
21:16:37 <antoine> ... We're still brainstorming on the topic.
21:17:14 <antoine> PWinstanley: maybe a question for dsr : is there any W3C perspective on this?
21:17:29 <antoine> dsr: I think it's ok to go ahead
21:17:38 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:17:40 <antoine> ... I'll let you know if there's an issue
21:18:15 <antoine> kcoyle: would any of this be compatible with writing a Primer?
21:18:26 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:18:28 <antoine> PWinstanley: chunks could be used for a Primer
21:19:15 <antoine> ... but there might be specific audience that need a view more diluted on the technical aspect and more use cases material, which could be for a Primer
21:19:16 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:19:31 <antoine> AndreaPerego: the Primer could be one of the work items for the follow-up.
21:20:13 <antoine> ... especially for describing on how to use the new elements.
21:20:37 <antoine> q+
21:21:05 <antoine> PWinstanley: We could look at a wide range of audiences. E.g. FAIR.
21:21:07 <antoine> q-
21:21:35 <antoine> Topic: re-charter
21:21:37 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:21:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/11/12-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:22:04 <antoine> PWinstanley: no update from Philippe
21:22:29 <roba> +1 to split github and include UCR as a separate common doc
21:22:31 <antoine> PWinstanley: any thinking about organizing our space?
21:22:37 <antoine> q+
21:22:46 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:23:35 <PWinstanley> antoine: I think that everything should be kept in the same github - it isn't better, but the overhead of splitting might not be workthwhile - the structure needs thought
21:23:54 <roba> q+
21:23:54 <PWinstanley> ... so let's leave it until we are back to working on v3 etc
21:23:58 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:24:38 <antoine> roba: I'm ok leaving it like this. My issue would be that we have a legacy of issues that we can't really resolve
21:24:55 <antoine> ... we should have another way of sorting discussions
21:25:13 <antoine> ... I would hope the splitting up would allow to re-calibrate the github usage.
21:25:20 <antoine> q+
21:25:27 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:26:30 <PWinstanley> antoine: I think I agree with roba  on some issues, but this is the sort of thing that will help us better identify what we need.  At some point soon we need to go through the outstanding issues and close in an appropriate way the ones we can't resolve
21:26:34 <antoine> PWinstanley: we should continue discussing on coming calls
21:26:54 <antoine> Topic: Conneg
21:27:35 <antoine> roba: we met to confirm what needs to be done
21:27:49 <antoine> ... a couple of issues (improvements) can be handled
21:27:54 <antoine> ... I've put PRs for it
21:28:15 <antoine> ... There's a couple of issues that could be left for discussion for PWD and flagged as such
21:28:25 <antoine> ... nick and I are ok with it
21:28:37 <antoine> ... When would be the next deadline for the process?
21:28:50 <antoine> PWinstanley: December?
21:29:04 <antoine> roba: we can go WD as soon as we can get a vote
21:29:26 <antoine> ... Things have not substantially changed. It's rather issues like terminology
21:29:41 <antoine> PWinstanley: we've got to navigate through thanksgiving and Xmas
21:30:08 <antoine> ... I can set it up as soon as you feel it's ok for the Conneg group
21:30:16 <antoine> roba: next week would be good
21:30:31 <antoine> Topic: PROF
21:31:10 <roba> q+
21:31:14 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:31:48 <antoine> PWinstanley: and the Profiles Guidance document
21:32:16 <antoine> roba: we had discussed it and there was an obvious way for it to be a formal Rec
21:32:51 <antoine> PWinstanley: yes. Anything that could be crystalized into a document that could be helpful?
21:33:05 <roba> +1 to a Note - but there isnt a spec component to form a Recx
21:33:14 <roba> s/Recx/Rec/
21:33:15 <antoine> q+
21:33:27 <antoine> PWinstanley: it would be disappointing if our work leads to nothing
21:33:41 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:34:23 <roba> q+
21:34:46 <PWinstanley> antoine: I have volunteered with Tom Baker to do this, because I think there is a future for a document for this.  competing issues have also made it difficult to progress this documnt
21:35:31 <antoine> PWinstanley: it could be things that we can continue in the re-charter period. Parts of the tidying up that we mentioned previously
21:35:36 <antoine> ... not a rec but something useful
21:35:46 <antoine> ... We still need to keep on our radar
21:35:48 <antoine> q+
21:36:01 <antoine> q-
21:36:15 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:36:24 <antoine> ... The ambition is lower than what we had a couple of years back
21:36:42 <antoine> roba: I'm still keen to help but we have other priorities indeed
21:37:09 <antoine> ... like the functional aspects (Conneg) and the formalism (PROF)
21:37:10 <antoine> q+
21:37:16 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:38:17 <PWinstanley> antoine: I've seen email from the ODRL group who have created an approach for profiles, and they are reconsidering what they wrote previously - there is a hint that guidance is needed
21:38:37 <antoine> roba: nick has followed it. It seems PROF was useful for them
21:38:48 <antoine> ... it seems a good idea to follow this idea
21:39:10 <antoine> ... the DCAT group also ended with wording on the DCAT profiles that is lighter than what it could have been.
21:39:48 <antoine> PWinstanley: there's a gap between people looking at profiles at computable resources and others who look at them as information resource at a higher level.
21:40:07 <antoine> ... We found it's a loaded term with many perspectives.
21:40:22 <antoine> ... Which is why we started to discuss about "data profiles".
21:40:39 <antoine> ... A simple classification scheme would be a very helpful step.
21:40:46 <antoine> +1
21:40:50 <roba> +1
21:41:29 <antoine> roba: we've started to do this with a PR, which could be used as placeholder
21:41:43 <antoine> Topic: AOB
21:42:01 <antoine> PWinstanley: could we have a break? Two/three weeks?
21:42:04 <antoine> q+
21:42:10 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:42:34 <PWinstanley> antoine: if we get news from the transition and we can vote for the conneg pwd then it is a good idea
21:42:39 <roba> +1
21:42:43 <kcoyle> +1
21:42:46 <PWinstanley> +1
21:42:49 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:42:52 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:43:28 <antoine> PWinstanley: ok I can try to organize this
21:44:01 <antoine> ... Things we need to have cleared out are the bits of publicity mentioned at the beginning.
21:44:13 <antoine> ... Including the mail to contributors/commenters
21:44:20 <antoine> ... and the small blog post for W3C
21:44:29 <antoine> q+
21:44:43 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:45:17 <PWinstanley> antoine: does the recharter need to get through before the end of the current charter?
21:45:21 <antoine> PW: dsr?
21:46:02 <antoine> kcoyle: my understanding is that we have to be through W3C and it should be continguous
21:46:31 <antoine> PWinstanley: they have had a couple of weeks to deal with this. It's in the strategy pipeline.
21:46:51 <antoine> ... Maybe I can ask dsr to ask elsewhere.
21:47:46 <antoine> ... It's on its way but we need to be sure there's no road block.
21:48:02 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:48:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/11/12-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
21:48:53 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
21:48:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/11/12-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
21:49:20 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye bye
21:49:24 <PWinstanley> bye
21:49:31 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2019/11/05-dxwg-minutes