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15:34:05 <ivan> Meeting: JSON-LD Working Group Telco
15:34:05 <ivan> Date: 2019-10-26
15:34:05 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-json-ld-wg/2019Oct/0009.html
15:34:05 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2019-10-26: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-json-ld-wg/2019Oct/0009.html
15:34:06 <ivan> Chair: azaroth
15:34:06 <ivan> Regrets+ gkellogg, bigbluehat, harold
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16:01:56 <azaroth> present+
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16:02:11 <ajs6f> present+
16:02:42 <pchampin> present+
16:02:55 <azaroth> regrets+ jeff_mixter
16:02:59 <azaroth> regrets+ hsolbrig
16:03:50 <azaroth> scribenick: ajs6f
16:03:51 <dlehn> present+
16:04:00 <azaroth> TOPIC:  Approve minutes of previous call
16:04:07 <azaroth> PROPOSAL:  Approve minutes of previous call: https://www.w3.org/2018/json-ld-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-10-18-json-ld
16:04:09 <azaroth> +1
16:04:16 <ajs6f> +1
16:04:18 <pchampin> +1
16:04:25 <ivan> +1
16:04:28 <azaroth> RESOLVED:  Approve minutes of previous call: https://www.w3.org/2018/json-ld-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-10-18-json-ld
16:04:31 <dlehn> +1
16:04:37 <azaroth> TOPIC: Announcements / Reminders
16:05:01 <dlongley> present+
16:05:35 <ivan> present+ dlehn
16:05:36 <ajs6f> azaroth: We are rapidly apporaching CR
16:05:40 <pchampin> next week's call will be 1h earlier in Europe
16:05:43 <azaroth> TOPIC: Issues
16:06:24 <ajs6f> azaroth: 5PM central europse, 4PM UK
16:06:45 <ivan> s/europse/europe/
16:06:49 <azaroth> SUBTOPIC: Register profiles with IANA
16:07:16 <ajs6f> azaroth: we have some new URIs for values of profile
16:07:23 <ajs6f> ... they must be registered with IANA
16:07:32 <ajs6f> ... gkellog offered to do this
16:07:34 <ivan> q+
16:07:35 <azaroth> ACTION: bigbluehat to register profiles with IANA
16:07:42 <azaroth> s/gkellog/bigbluehat/
16:07:45 <azaroth> ack ivan
16:07:47 <ajs6f> ivan: it was bigbluehat, not gkellogg
16:08:04 <ajs6f> ... this should go via W3C channels, not directly
16:08:25 <ajs6f> ... not sure what the mechanism is for profiles
16:08:31 <ajs6f> ... i will ask
16:08:37 <azaroth> ACTION: ivan to check with plh if he is the right contact person
16:09:01 <ajs6f> azaroth: for the annotation WG it was easy
16:09:51 <azaroth> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/4?fullscreen=true
16:10:03 <ivan> q+
16:10:08 <ajs6f> azaorth: no more topics to be discussed on calls
16:10:16 <azaroth> ack ivan
16:10:25 <ajs6f> s/azaorth/azaroth
16:10:43 <ajs6f> ivan: i am representing the DID WG
16:10:46 <azaroth> https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-syntax/issues/287
16:10:50 <ajs6f> ... in this question
16:11:12 <dlongley> q+
16:11:18 <azaroth> ack dlongley
16:11:26 <azaroth> TOPIC: application/jsonld
16:11:35 <ajs6f> dlongley: this might be better if people could rad over the DID spec issue first,
16:11:58 <ajs6f> ... but it's not clear  how to handle mimetypes
16:12:07 <pchampin> q+
16:12:11 <ajs6f> ... this is documented at the discussion there (at DID)
16:12:12 <azaroth> q+ re application/ld+json (with a profile)
16:12:14 <azaroth> ack pchampin
16:12:42 <ajs6f> pchampin: the goal is to be able to declare application+did/jsonld
16:12:45 <ajs6f> ...?
16:12:52 <azaroth> q?
16:13:18 <pchampin> s/application+did/application/
16:13:18 <ajs6f> ivan: it's unclear whether did/ld+json is acceptable
16:13:26 <pchampin> s/jsonld/did+jsonld/
16:13:37 <dlongley> application/did+ld+json
16:13:55 <dlongley> no one does this^ ... but it doesn't seem illegal ... and questionable what tools would do.
16:14:00 <ajs6f> ivan: there is no current registered mimetype that uses two + signs
16:14:09 <ajs6f> ... so we don't know if this is really possible
16:15:03 <ajs6f> dlongley: VC WG did not choose a mimetype
16:15:16 <azaroth> q?
16:15:18 <azaroth> ack azaroth
16:15:18 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to discuss application/ld+json (with a profile)
16:15:23 <ajs6f> ivan: rthat is a case where this might make sense
16:15:28 <azaroth> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-protocol/#annotation-retrieval
16:15:37 <dlongley> VCWG didn't pick a MIME type that i can see
16:15:40 <ajs6f> azaroth: for Annotations, we went with a profile
16:16:09 <ajs6f> azaroth: you can trigger a file extension from a profile, says IANA
16:16:27 <azaroth> https://github.com/w3c/did-spec/issues/1#issuecomment-545103700
16:16:59 <ajs6f> azaroth: but I don't ahve a reference for that
16:17:07 <azaroth> https://www.iana.org/assignments/profile-uris/profile-uris.xhtml
16:17:46 <ajs6f> ... we would have to go search the minutes
16:19:55 <ajs6f> ivan: we defined no extension for annotation
16:19:58 <ivan> s/ahve/have/
16:20:10 <azaroth> ACTION: azaroth to find reference to file extensions for profiles re annotation
16:21:21 <ajs6f> azaroth: if we did this, processors would have to know about it, whcih would be a normative change to the algorithym
16:21:34 <ajs6f> iban: it would chage the documents to allow this new media type in parallel to the older one
16:21:35 <dlongley> q+
16:21:55 <ajs6f> ... it is simple for the document, but causes a lot of change elsewhere
16:22:17 <azaroth> ack dlongley
16:22:28 <azaroth> q+ re xml schema
16:23:07 <ajs6f> azaroth: we aren't going to decide this today
16:23:47 <ajs6f>  ... if there is no change here, we are on-track for CR
16:23:56 <ajs6f> ... a chnage here would push CR back by at elast 2 weeks
16:24:02 <dlongley> we want this group to enable other groups to be able to extend jsonld MIME type w/ file extension support -- just a question of whether we need to register `application/jsonld` or not ... either way should provide some advice to extenders on what to do
16:26:19 <ajs6f> dlongley: we did discuss this in the 1.0 days, but it might not recorded in issues
16:27:18 <azaroth> https://github.com/w3c/did-spec/issues/1#issuecomment-545103700
16:27:20 <ajs6f> azaroth: if you _can_ register a file extension to a profile, than that is what we could recommend
16:28:59 <ajs6f> azaorth: how does application/jsonld solve the problem?
16:29:11 <pchampin> q+
16:29:12 <azaroth> ack azaroth
16:29:12 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to discuss xml schema
16:29:13 <ajs6f> ivan: because then you can do applicaiton/did+jsonld
16:29:19 <ivan> s/azaorth/azaroth/
16:29:20 <ajs6f> ... no multiple plus signs
16:29:45 <ajs6f> azaroth: this came up in XML days
16:30:50 <azaroth> application/xhtml+xml
16:31:14 <ajs6f> ivan: i couldn't find any example of this (mulitple plus signs) in IANA
16:32:00 <azaroth> q?
16:32:29 <ajs6f> ivan: if I have a doc that is did+ld+json, and a JSON-LD proc, then that proc _should_ handle it fine
16:32:46 <ajs6f> ... if I do did+json, then a JSON-LD proc may or may not work correctly
16:32:54 <azaroth> ack pchampin
16:32:54 <ajs6f> ...(handle it as JSON-LD)
16:33:18 <ajs6f> pchampin: at the discussion at theDID WG, there is duscussion of an alias
16:33:30 <ajs6f> ... is this an official construct of IANA?
16:33:43 <ajs6f> ivaN: I don't know, but i think not
16:34:52 <ajs6f> ... I propose that azaroth digs up th remark from IANA about file extensions
16:35:30 <dlongley> q+
16:35:33 <azaroth> ack dlongley
16:35:56 <pchampin> q+
16:35:59 <azaroth> ack pchampin
16:36:03 <azaroth> q+ re joint call?
16:36:31 <ajs6f> pchampin: this could look pretty complicated to some people
16:36:48 <ajs6f> ... it might be a shame, in terms of marketing
16:37:00 <dlongley> +1
16:37:07 <azaroth> ack azaroth
16:37:07 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to discuss joint call?
16:39:05 <ajs6f> azaroth:dlongley: the two WGs can meet at the next JSON-LD WG meeting
16:39:13 <ajs6f> ... to discuss this
16:39:30 <azaroth> ACTION: azaroth to comment in issue inviting DID WG to JSON-LD WG regular call next week to discuss
16:39:41 <azaroth> q?
16:40:08 <ivan> Subtopic: closing issues
16:40:08 <azaroth> SUBTOPIC: closable issues
16:40:10 <azaroth> https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-syntax/issues/269
16:40:59 <azaroth> https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-framing/issues/69
16:43:18 <azaroth> TOPIC: AOB?
16:43:55 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:43:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/10/25-json-ld-minutes.html ivan
16:43:55 <ivan> zakim, bye
16:43:55 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:43:55 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2019/10/25-json-ld-actions.rdf :
16:43:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bigbluehat to register profiles with IANA [1]
16:43:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/10/25-json-ld-irc#T16-07-35
16:43:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ivan to check with plh if he is the right contact person [2]
16:43:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/10/25-json-ld-irc#T16-08-37
16:43:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: azaroth to find reference to file extensions for profiles re annotation [3]
16:43:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/10/25-json-ld-irc#T16-20-10
16:43:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: azaroth to comment in issue inviting DID WG to JSON-LD WG regular call next week to discuss [4]
16:43:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/10/25-json-ld-irc#T16-39-30
16:43:55 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been azaroth, ajs6f, pchampin, dlehn, dlongley
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16:43:57 <azaroth> TOPIC: Adjourn :)