<scribe> scribe: becka11y

Charles: Recap of side meetings had at the Microsoft Accessibility Summit on Personalization

charles: was at MS A11y summit last week - the world blind union consists of organizations for the blind around the world.
... talked to folks about the immersive reader and asked for end of sentence spacing; gave a brief demo of symbols via our chrome demo
... Immersive Reader folks were interested, met woman for cloud and AI division of Microsoft, Mirasol. Is very interested in personalization work. She was a bit shocked about using data dash - was worried about conflicts. Provided an explanation of the reasoning and she “got it”
... MS word is frustrating for low vision users because have to change the font size - this is an issue when reviewing headings. If pick a larger font for default, wants Word to adjust the other styles respectively rather than having to change every specific style

Janina: there is some thinking about not keeping everything relative wrt to the Silver group and research they have done. Should be a logarithmic adjustment to headings/etc rather than a straight adjustment

Charles: Lots of enhancements coming in narrator for low vision users; Lots of info on chromium browser - losing EPUB support. That was not well received - people are upset at losing EPUB support in Chromium; But, they are working on MathML; there was info on XBOX improvements; There is a download from MS store called ear hockey accessible game;
... will give that game a try within the office; Jennison Asucion gave updates on changes coming in LinkedIn. Info on more hiring of people with disabilities at Microsoft; discussed Accessibility Insights extension (based on AXE engine) and also helps walk through the non-auto checks

Sailesh Panchang’s email about values (“balance”, “select/deselect”)

<Roy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2019Oct/0012.html

Charles: would be nice if the email that we received from the W3C mailing lists also included the link to the version in the mailing list

<Roy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf

Janina: there is a link in the header that gets you close - you can expose that through your email program

Charles: emails want us to consider adding balance to action values - to set the mid-value of the range; We are not quite certain how that would be used?
... Also asking for select and deselect - not sure why that would be needed as it is already there. Happens automatically without further personalization

<janina> Found it, here's an example:

<janina> Archived-At: <https://www.w3.org/mid/20191015130316.GG2439@rednote.net>

Becky: perhaps reply and ask for a use case to help us understand

Janina: uri above is about exposing the uri of the mail within email

<scribe> ACTION: CharlesL: respond to Sailesh email of Oct. 11 and ask for use case to help us understand the request

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<scribe> ACTION: CharlesL respond to Sailesh email of Oct. 11 and ask for use case to help us understand the request

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<scribe> ACTION: Charles respond to Sailesh email of Oct. 11 and ask for use case to help us understand the request

<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Respond to sailesh email of oct. 11 and ask for use case to help us understand the request [on Charles LaPierre - due 2019-10-28].

<Roy> trackbot, status

<Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/personalization/track/

<Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/personalization/track/actions/open

<janina> To find only your own actions:

<janina> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my

Charles: above is from email sent requesting us to review simplification

<CharlesL> Value

<CharlesL> Description

<CharlesL> critical

<CharlesL> The critical setting should be used on:

<CharlesL> • Elements that are essential for the key function (from the user perspective) of the page. Example: The send button for an email draft in an email application.

<CharlesL> • Elements that are sometimes critical to use the site, such as "save my work" or "emergency instructions".

<CharlesL> • Elements that are used by over 90% of a user group (such as parents or teachers) most times they interact with the content.

<CharlesL> medium (default)

<CharlesL> The medium setting should be used on:

<CharlesL> • Elements that are used frequently but are not essential for the key functioning of the application. Example: The delete button for an email draft in an email application.

<CharlesL> • Elements that are sometimes important for a user to interact with the site, such as settings to change colors or fonts.

<CharlesL> • Elements that are used by over 60% of a user group (such as parents or teachers) when they interact with the content.

<CharlesL> low

<CharlesL> The low setting should be used on elements that are rarely used or only used by advanced users. Example: The terms and services or the archive button for an email application.

Becky: seems odd that changing colors and fonts is sometimes important - with good UI it seems that this shouldn’t be necessary 60% of the time

Charles: maybe this is referring to accessibility enhancements

Would be nice to find additional examples other than emails

Charles: yes, because emails are more of an application rather than a website
... We should try to come up with examples that are not email based
... what about the social links at the bottom of sites? Would those go under low? Social media interactions

Janina: it would be nice to collapse those

Charles: Yes, you wouldn’t see them unless you opened them up - but does that imply more direction or implementation details

Janina: agree, that might go beyond our 1.0 scope
... have heard those social icons referred to as NASCAR effect - logos smeared all over the website (like all of the logos on NASCAR race cars)
... cognitive and vision users are easily distracted by having suggested other products intermingled with what you seached for
... search for cell phones and it also gives you cases, chargers, headphones all intermixed - this can be very confusing. Provides too many results
... this also showed up in dept. stores in the 80’s - before that department stores were arranged in neat rows, now you have to circulate around many other items that are forced in your path

Charles: this would be at a medium level or high?

Janina: we need to get Lisa and COGA input on this

Charles: should social icons go into the low category?

Janina: agree, that makes sense
... the process of checkout is high

Charles: add to cart or view my cart is critical to shopping experience

Janina: all of the purchasing data has to be rock solid
... this is a gift is also critical

<CharlesL> trackbot, end meeting

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