00:03:03 RRSAgent has joined #pbg 00:03:03 logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/10/16-pbg-irc 00:03:15 present+ liisamk 00:03:30 Meeting: Publishing Business Group 00:03:44 Date: 15/16 October 2019 00:03:55 Chair: Liisa McCloy-Kelley 00:04:05 present+ 00:04:50 present+ 00:05:38 present+ 00:05:55 I will have to leave in 30 minutes. 00:06:17 Dates and new format for the meeting. Daihei emailed about them. 00:06:23 Topic: meeting dates 00:07:21 Our Asian meeting schedule. 00:07:30 1 hour earlier from next month 00:08:28 liisamk has joined #pbg 00:09:07 scribenick: liisamk 00:09:21 meetings on Nov. 13th and Dec. 11th at earlier time is ok 00:10:11 Meeting time will be the same (9:00 AM) in Japan, right? 00:11:52 not earlier in Japan- apologies! 00:11:56 1 hour earlier in EDT, but no changes in JST 00:12:34 Topic: TPAC F2F - enjoyed and happy to hear about the writing mode recommendations 00:12:57 PR for CSS Writing Modes was good news 00:14:16 +Q 00:14:54 Topic: EPUB Roadmap 00:14:59 ack Murata 00:15:30 Murata: have not heard the discussion from the CG about the EPUB roadmap, want us to send links 00:15:46 Liisa will provide references to the roadmap discussion. 00:17:17 present+ 00:17:22 q+ 00:17:46 ack jeff 00:18:15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mAqdj2HTN7p8cgncToA7yRCKmz5trLTZ4ATI7trl7KM/edit#heading=h.eszf0tmwgc6u 00:18:41 Jeff: exciting to see the CG go to the roadmapping effort, would like to see more participation from Asia and find some way to enable 00:19:09 ...if there are enhancements to talk about now is a great time to discuss 00:19:17 ShinyaTa_ has joined #pbg 00:20:09 Takami-san has noted that Images in spine for Digital Sequential Art is important 00:20:39 Liisa: is that something you are doing now that you want to maintain? 00:21:16 Takami-san: addressed the same thing at TPAC 00:22:32 Liisa: possible good news, amazon may take EPUB manga 00:22:54 q+ 00:23:06 Murata: EPUB reading systems do not have good performance for page turn for Manga 00:25:03 Takami-san said that Amazon is one of the big players but there are other key players. 00:25:32 Takami-san: in Japan new services for manga were born in recent years, and they are using some EPUB and some images in spine 00:26:21 Takami-san, your internet connection is quite bad. 00:26:33 maybe type? 00:26:41 OK 00:27:09 We hear some words but cannot hear sentences. 00:27:35 Please type 00:27:46 The new eBook services will extract just images from EPUB files we (publisher) provide, and it's too simple to say the format. 00:28:05 I'm afraid I have to leave. Bye now. 00:28:14 q+ 00:28:25 ack ShinyaTa_ 00:28:28 ack Jeff 00:29:09 But we have some indication like page spread or ordering in EPUB (OPF) but they will tend to omit to understand such features. 00:29:22 Jeff: Sounds like a suboptimal approach. Can we do better with enhancements to EPUB? 00:29:23 Jeff: maybe there are kluges and we could do better 00:30:21 I think we should simplify the EPUB file for Manga content. 00:30:30 Liisa: are there other enhancements that might help? or is it an implementation problem? 00:30:54 Liisa: what would you simplify in the EPUB? 00:31:40 XHTML and CSS will not be necessary for display images, especially for Manga. 00:32:16 Liisa: so it gets back to images in spine and an OPF file with instructions 00:32:26 Yes. 00:33:31 Liisa: Do you ever have navigation from page to page to link to stories on pages? 00:34:24 Liisa: will send a visual example of what I mean 00:34:31 OK, thanks. 00:35:16 Liisa: would it be helpful to have community group calls sometimes in good hours for Asia? 00:35:30 Yes. 00:35:47 It's not easy to join CG meeting from Japan. 00:36:35 Topic: Accessibility needs and expectations for readers across different territories 00:36:47 Liisa: is it an interesting topic to think about? 00:37:19 ...are there things for your territory that are not well addressed? 00:38:19 Topic: EPUBcheck fundraising 00:38:21 https://www.w3.org/publishing/epubcheck_fundraising 00:40:00 Topic: Business Issues on the Horizon for Digital Publications 00:42:11 Liisa: I see reports that graphic novels in North America are about 9% digital, but at the same time am starting to see 00:42:37 ...interest in settling out panelization and best practices for experiences across comics, manga, graphic novels 00:46:12 New GoToMeeting app of iOS was unstable... 00:46:51 liisamk_ has joined #pbg 00:47:05 Topic: Books That Can't Be Made or Not Well 00:47:40 Liisa: will start to gather in emails and sheets notes of types of publications we cannot make or are not well implemented 00:47:57 ...please get involved with this work and with the CG work on the EPUB roadmap 00:48:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 00:48:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/10/16-pbg-minutes.html liisamk_ 00:48:21 rrsagent, make logs public 00:48:29 zakim, bye 00:48:29 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been liisamk, Jkamata, Yanni, MURATA, jeff 00:48:29 Zakim has left #pbg 00:48:50 rrsagent, bye 00:48:50 I see no action items