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14:04:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Data Privacy Vocabularies and Controls Community Group Teleconference
14:04:36 <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2019
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14:07:16 <Bert> agenda: https://www.w3.org/mid/1F109BBA-A5C0-4744-BE34-F9DE8E461A2D@wu.ac.at
14:07:18 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:07:18 <agendabot> agenda+ Roll call, select scribe, agenda
14:07:18 <agendabot> agenda+ approve last time minutes:
14:07:18 <agendabot> agenda+ Action items
14:07:18 <agendabot> agenda+ Issues
14:07:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Fajar's feedback and issues sheet:
14:07:23 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB
14:07:27 <harsh> ACTION-123
14:07:28 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Elmar Kiesling to Advertise dpvcg at mydata: place in Community Call (starting Oct, contact Sille) -- due 2019-10-01 -- OPEN
14:07:28 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/123
14:07:40 <harsh> ACTION-126
14:07:40 <trackbot> ACTION-126 -- Axel Polleres to Ask bert to update the cgwebpage to advertise the drafts more prominently. -- due 2019-09-10 -- OPEN
14:07:40 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/126
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14:08:03 <axelpolleres> dialing
14:08:57 <axelpolleres> moment, connection problem
14:09:37 <harsh> @axelpolleres okay, we're clearing up some actions
14:09:51 <axelpolleres> great, will join in some mins
14:10:30 <Bert> trackbot, close action-126
14:10:30 <trackbot> Closed action-126.
14:11:30 <Bert> trackbot, close action-123
14:11:30 <trackbot> Closed action-123.
14:12:53 <harsh> Hi Mitzi, did you get the login details for call?
14:12:56 <axelpolleres> scribe: Axel
14:13:35 <axelpolleres> PROPOSED: accept minutes from last time
14:13:42 <harsh> +1
14:13:55 <Bert> action-129?
14:13:56 <trackbot> action-129 -- Axel Polleres to Check in the next telcos, whethrer we're on track for that timplan. -- due 2019-09-10 -- OPEN
14:13:56 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/129
14:13:57 <axelpolleres> RESOLVED: accept minutes from last time
14:15:03 <axelpolleres> Axel: in these minutes we should have a timeplan: https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-dpvcg-minutes.html
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14:17:18 <axelpolleres> Plan/time schedule from a month ago: by today we wanted to  vote for resolutions of all open issues (unless new issues/comments we could then have them incorporated) , start internal reviewing mid october, internal reviews by end october in, incorporated/voted to publish by mid Nov?
14:18:01 <axelpolleres> Bert: not that many ACTIONs open.
14:18:10 <axelpolleres> topic: ISSUES?
14:18:19 <Bert> -> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/open issues
14:18:39 <harsh> quite a few actions pending review https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/pendingreview
14:19:53 <axelpolleres> Axel: shall we just move issues we know we won't resolve to POSTPONED issues which we list e.g. as an appendix to the document?
14:25:01 <axelpolleres> PROPOSED: move issue-2 to postponed issues under the following  text: "The group did not concsidr definint any notion of (legal) compliance with respect to a particular legislation in scope of the current specification. While we assume that certain violations of compliance could be recorded with the current vocabulary, but compliance guarantees or compliance checking algorithms are not part of this specification."
14:25:13 <harsh> +1
14:25:27 <axelpolleres> +1 modulo typo fixing
14:25:55 <bud> +1
14:26:04 <axelpolleres> RESOLVED: move issue-2 to postponed issues under the following  text: "The group did not concsider defining any notion of (legal) compliance with respect to a particular legislation in scope of the current specification. While we assume that certain violations of compliance could be recorded with the current vocabulary, compliance guarantees or compliance checking algorithms are not part of this specification."
14:26:07 <Bert> +1
14:28:47 <axelpolleres> ISSUE-3: we assume this is about data subject rights in the current discussion.
14:28:48 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-3 Do we want to revisit a definition of "gdpr rights" in our definitions and taxonomies?.
14:29:06 <axelpolleres> ... e.g. right for rectification, right to be forgotten, etc.
14:29:34 <axelpolleres> Axel: Where would that fit in the vocabulary?
14:30:34 <axelpolleres> Axel: Are certain rights tied to the legal basis? to the kind of processing?
14:30:40 <axelpolleres> Harsh: could be either
14:31:06 <axelpolleres> Bert: not every right is applicable to all kinds of data handling.
14:31:22 <Bert> s/Bert:/Bud:
14:31:38 <axelpolleres> ... I wanted to do a transition diagram on the rights and how they connect.
14:34:05 <axelpolleres> Axel: we should finihs things up by end of the year to a stable state, but I personally cannot guarantee I can continue to chair beyond.
14:34:36 <harsh> 1) Will Bert continue as chair? 2) Can ask for volunteers to continue the WG?
14:35:19 <axelpolleres> ACTION: Bud to try with Eva to come up with a proposal to represent GDPR rights by the end of November.
14:35:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-132 - Try with eva to come up with a proposal to represent gdpr rights by the end of november. [on Bud P. Bruegger - due 2019-10-22].
14:35:45 <axelpolleres> Action-132: this action is tied to ISSUE-3
14:35:45 <trackbot> Notes added to Action-132 Try with eva to come up with a proposal to represent gdpr rights by the end of november..
14:36:18 <bud> Bud and Eva will try to come up with partial state-transition diagrams to illustrate the interdependencies of data subject rights
14:39:17 <Bert> issue-6?
14:39:17 <trackbot> issue-6 -- Should our taxonomy include a distinction/modeling of data subjects to whom gdpr applies (eu citizens and/or locatedin eu) -- open
14:39:17 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/6
14:41:17 <harsh> If someone does want to specify a subset or specialisation of data subjects, e.g. those based in EU, these could be represented by subclassing the DataSubject class and annotating/describing it with required conditions.
14:42:32 <harsh> If we wish to model "EU citizen", then it needs specifying data subect --> citizen of --> nation --> member state --> EU/EEA
14:42:53 <harsh> Additionally, the GDPR also applies to services 'operating in EU/EEA'
14:46:31 <axelpolleres> PROPOSED: We leave the further specification of specific subclasses of DataSubjects out of scope of the current CG, the spec provides just one example,  	dpv:Child that could serve as an illustration for other subclasses affecting certain groups of DataSubjects (e.g. Citizens of certain states to which a particular legislation applies, etc.) with this rationale we postpone ISSUE-6.
14:46:39 <harsh> +1
14:46:47 <axelpolleres> +1
14:46:53 <Bert> +1
14:47:07 <bud> +1
14:47:10 <axelpolleres> RESOLVED: We leave the further specification of specific subclasses of DataSubjects out of scope of the current CG, the spec provides just one example,  dpv:Child that could serve as an illustration for other subclasses affecting certain groups of DataSubjects (e.g. Citizens of certain states to which a particular legislation applies, etc.) with this rationale we postpone ISSUE-6.
14:48:04 <Bert> issue-9?
14:48:04 <trackbot> issue-9 -- Where are categories of data controllers used, where are they useful? (cf. recital 98, 99, 100) -- open
14:48:04 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/9
14:50:46 <axelpolleres> PROPOSED: With the same rationale as not defining any particular subclasses or categories of dataSubjects, we leave the concrete definition of particular subcategories of dpv:DataController as an extension point. With this rationale we postpone ISSUE-9
14:50:56 <harsh> +1
14:50:59 <axelpolleres> +1
14:51:11 <bud> +1
14:51:19 <Bert> +1
14:51:31 <axelpolleres> RESOLVED: With the same rationale as not defining any particular subclasses or categories of dataSubjects, we leave the concrete definition of particular subcategories of dpv:DataController as an extension point. With this rationale we postpone ISSUE-9
14:52:26 <Bert> issue-10?
14:52:26 <trackbot> issue-10 -- Are there mappings to gics from other coding systems naics/nace/isic ... -- open
14:52:26 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/10
14:54:45 <harsh> https://github.com/dpvcg/dpv-nace
14:55:17 <harsh> https://www.w3.org/ns/dpv#vocab-purposes
14:55:26 <harsh> Example of NACE and DPV-NACE
14:56:02 <axelpolleres> "dpv-nace: NACE-CODE" in Section 5 looks weird
14:57:33 <axelpolleres> ACTION: harsh to fix the extra space in "dpv-nace: NACE-CODE." in Section 5
14:57:41 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
14:59:55 <axelpolleres> Since ACTION-87 is long overdue, I would prefer to close it as undone and leave GICS as an extension point for the future.
15:01:48 <axelpolleres> PROPOSED: to close ACTION-87 and also postpone ISSUE-10 with the following rationale: at the moment the spec only defines a schemafor business sector codes in NACE, we leave the definition of (mappings to) other business sector code standards such as eg. GICS to future extensions.
15:01:59 <axelpolleres> +1
15:02:00 <Bert> +1
15:02:04 <bud> +1
15:02:17 <harsh> +1
15:02:23 <axelpolleres> RESOLVED: to close ACTION-87 and also postpone ISSUE-10 with the following rationale: at the moment the spec only defines a schemafor business sector codes in NACE, we leave the definition of (mappings to) other business sector code standards such as eg. GICS to future extensions.
15:02:37 <harsh> FYI: EU RAMON provides conversion tables in case someone wants to take up this work - https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/ramon/relations/index.cfm?TargetUrl=LST_REL&StrLanguageCode=EN&IntCurrentPage=11
15:03:53 <axelpolleres> next telco 29th october. Note: we are probably a bit behind the timeplan, but still can make it to publish until the end of the year.
15:04:02 <axelpolleres> Adjourned
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15:08:56 <Bert> present: Bud, Harsh, Axel, Bert
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