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Lisa: I have to do a followup on folks who are interested in joining
... from association of assistive technologies
... someone from special Ed from Johanisberg
... lots of different dialects (9 languages with symbols) in her class.
... two other adoptions (Luxembourg)

<LisaSeemanKest> iarte

Lisa: lexicon of all EU terms
... used across all their websites

(sp on iarte)?

scribe: symbols are also for EU languages, if (someone at Luxembourg ) Michael Snapurd
... I sent him some links
... also on Sunday had a conversation about those making gaming apps. they are interested more broad appealing for different groups and interested in personalization aspects, but time is limited, but potential implementation. also speaking to Google android group
... 2 weeks after holidays there is a conference in Ireland on personalization of Dyslexia
... might be interesting for us to have a page on Dyslexics.

Becky: maybe they can provide us with words are are common for mistakes for us to use. we could ask them.. words that are triggers etc.

Lisa: if you are not a good reader and you are taught to rely on visual memory which you don't have but you have symbols as tooltips that can be used as a reading aid, and the symbols can be helpful that you spelled the word correctly like homonyms.
... you pick a word which looks approximately right but could pick the wrong word

Becky: I know that numbers are also problematic and what would you do there? spell out the number?

Lisa: well that could be useful for dyscalculia
... there other personalization helpful items is spacing, word, margin, etc.
... suggestions when filling out firms.

Charles: gave a report on TPAC (great Wed breakout session) Hadley from the TAG loved our Demo, and James Craig from Apple also thought what we are doing looks great.

Becky: when the folks from Mozilla saw Lisa's demo in Chrome that they added an extension to Firefox to support the Symbol demo pages.

Lisa: WCAG wants to for 2.2 rely on us a little more, Steve do you know more about this?

Steve: this came from WCAG WG?

Lisa: Yes some technique they want to reference our work.

Steve: Yes I do remember that but not sure which dependancy they are requiring

Lisa: they looked at our schedule so they could depend on us, but our schedule has been slipping so we need to find out what they are going to be referring to.

Steve: critical importance

<stevelee> https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-content-1.0/#simplification-explanation

Lisa: if simplification goes to CR then she is good (critical / med / low) data-symplificaiton.
... they can rely on something at the same stage as us or higher. So we need to find out what they need.
... Charles I need to be in the background for 2.2 to make sure the pieces are in place, so we need to have that conversation with them.

what we need to do for wide review of https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-content-1.0/

<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-content-1.0/

Lisa: we are quite happy with Symbol
... for module 1 and explainer will need to stay inline with WCAG. action destination / purpose, we need to speed up that process. simplification is what they need.
... we need wide review, simplification and distraction
... distraction what distracts people, overlays, popups, auto start, ads. etc… but that is a big discussion if we want to take it out, ie. non-essential content that can detract from focus.

Charles: but isn't that the same as simplification = low?
... can you have critical and it also be a distraction?

Lisa: tempted to say distractions move out for now.

Becky: distractions come up a lot carocels animated gifs, etc. tempted to say yes we can push it off, but I know I get distracted on this things.

Sharen: I agree with you Becky. ads will be the biggest issue.

<stevelee> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-reduced-motion

Becky: we will need to priorities these.

Steve: firefox does have a reduced motion option
... with css

Lisa: shape of it popup / overlay, I just want to buy my milk but keep getting popups / ads for other items which is totally distracting.
... how important it is, and combination of… simplification on the page when you load it, types of live content, new content aria-live

Charles: well aria-live for ads is a problem for SR users having to listen to those ads when they want to just get to the main content.

Lisa: someone can maybe take an action to clean it up, not a mixture of things advertisement and work a bit on the settings.
... we need to clean up distractions and know what we want to do/achieve
... need to approve the simplification (are we happy with the values)
... maybe just a review? does it need more work or does critical / medium/low are good values?
... are we happy with simplification / importance

Becky: I see now there is more interaction between the two of them. but there doesn't have to be.

Lisa: Becky can you take an action to review distraction?

Becky: Sure.

<LisaSeemanKest> ACTION: becky to review distraction and clean up proposal

<trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Review distraction and clean up proposal [on Becky Gibson - due 2019-10-14].

Lisa: review simplification and see if anyone has any issues.

<LisaSeemanKest> data-simplification="critical"

Lisa: only 3 values critical, medium (default), low
... submit button is critical you are not sending anything without that.

Becky: if submit is critical, what is low vs. medium like moving mail to a sub-folder

<LisaSeemanKest> Elements that are used frequently but are not essential for the key functioning of the application. Example: The delete button for an email draft in an email application.

<LisaSeemanKest> Elements that are sometimes important for a user to interact with the site, such as settings to change colors or fonts.

<LisaSeemanKest> Elements that are used by over 60% of a user group (such as parents or teachers) when they interact with the content.

Lisa: above is "Medium"
... I think for next week we will review this
... review of simplification, look at the Distraction update from Becky, and then we clean up the values we are doing. we can give that to someone as an action.

<LisaSeemanKest> ACTION: sharon find more value duplicates from https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/rewrite-prototype/content/index.html#values

<trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - find more value duplicates from https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/rewrite-prototype/content/index.html#values [on Sharon Snider - due 2019-10-14].

Lisa: that should take us to a wide review action, and that will put us back on schedule, get that wide review, we might have comments and have things to change

Charles: we also need a TAG review but need to create an explainer in their format

CSUN

Becky: I wasn't planning on going and now its too late to submit.

Sharon: I wont' know until next month if my submission is accepted

Becky: I am going to NTen conference, and South by South West conference.

Lisa: first two days is workshops. so the 9-10, the Wed afternoon - Friday

Charles: I have 3 proposals so we will see if they get accepted.

Becky: 13-22 is South by SouthWest

Lisa: March 10 is a Jewish holiday Holi
... I could get there for the 11 or 12 but it will be complicated. we will see what happens with peoples submissions.

Charles: you have one with Roy right?

Lisa: right just wait to see what happens with acceptance.
... next week we can work on simplification and values next week and the following on Becky's distraction review.
... there is also the explainer, but just like a review and if anything is missing.

Charles: we may need to do a Tag review but maybe done in parallel with a Wide review but will talk to Janina about that.

Lisa: discussion to get this document to a wide review stage, but hopefully more just editorial at this point.

<scribe> Meeting: Personalization Task Force Weekly Meeting

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