12:02:25 RRSAgent has joined #wot-marketing 12:02:25 logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/09/30-wot-marketing-irc 12:02:55 Meeting: WoT-Marketing 12:06:43 taki has joined #wot-marketing 12:07:28 taki has left #wot-marketing 12:07:30 taki has joined #wot-marketing 12:08:48 dape has joined #wot-marketing 12:09:18 dsr has joined #wot-marketing 12:09:45 present+ 12:09:47 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Dave_Raggett, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Taki_Kamiya, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:10:12 action: kaz to create a wiki page for WoT-Marketing TF 12:11:19 Chair: Sebastian 12:12:29 sebastian has joined #wot-marketing 12:13:03 scribenick: dsr 12:13:23 Sebastian introduces the aims of the Marketing task force 12:13:26 q+ 12:13:48 McCool: in the short term we need to sort out organisational details 12:14:26 e.g. to decide where the pages are and to identifiy a wiki page for this task force 12:14:51 sebastian: yes, indeed. 12:15:17 one thing is the web page, and the second is the wiki page 12:15:29 q? 12:15:36 q+ 12:15:53 sebastian: we need to appoint someone to take the lead for the web page 12:16:21 s/second is the wiki page/second is the wikipedia page/ 12:16:27 McCool: the landing page for WoT should have the shortest URL 12:17:02 We should clean up out of data stuff 12:17:27 Does the curent wikipedia page talk about the old idea for WoT? 12:17:40 sebastian: yes, and the history stops in 2014 12:17:47 McCool: so yes it is stale 12:18:38 sebastian: Ege has agreed to work on the wikipedia page 12:19:07 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing Marketing 12:19:16 kaz: we should first think about the logistics for this task force, e.g. I’ve already created a marketing repo on GitHub 12:19:27 ack kaz 12:19:40 ryuichi has joined #wot-marketing 12:19:47 McCool: we could certainly use the issue track on GitHub 12:20:13 The internal wiki page is handy for meeting agendas 12:20:31 What time would be good to invite Naomi? 12:20:50 kaz: this time conflicts with the W3C comms telecon 12:21:14 McCool: let’s make a doodle poll to set up a joint call 12:21:14 i/we could certainly/kaz: we should consider how to work on the topics before starting the concrete discussions/ 12:21:18 kaz: yes 12:21:42 She attended the Osaka meeting and says she is happy to help us 12:21:52 McCool: let’s keep this time slot for now 12:22:07 sebastian: what help can she offer us? 12:22:40 kaz: we could ask her to act as liaison with the W3C Comms & Marketing folks 12:22:41 q? 12:23:10 McCool: one of the things to discuss is the plan for autogenerating IG and WG pages 12:23:26 dsr: there are plans for automatic generation pages 12:23:31 ... like the one of IETF 12:23:47 ... would avoid confusion 12:24:11 McCool: automatic generation for WG, IG, CG? 12:24:29 ... but we still need manually build entry point page as well 12:24:30 It would be timely for us to provide feedback to PLH for the auto generated pages and try to minimise confusion for people coming to WoT 12:24:53 McCool: we definitely need a landing page for people new to WoT 12:25:32 Kaz: we would still need manually generate content to describe the relationships between the IG and WG 12:25:42 q+ auto-generation is fine.. but we might need some "good" looking pages also.. 12:25:47 q+ to auto-generation is fine.. but we might need some "good" looking pages also.. 12:25:52 ack dsr 12:26:22 our landing point should point to intro pages for the IG and WG, not directly to the auto generated pages 12:27:06 kaz: we can raise issues with the marketing staff initiative 12:28:19 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/ WoT Landing page 12:28:36 dsr: we should invite someone from the team working on autogenerated pages to give us more information and answer our questions. 12:28:38 q? 12:28:44 ack dape 12:28:44 dape, you wanted to auto-generation is fine.. but we might need some "good" looking pages also.. 12:28:46 IG page could simlpy forward to https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/ 12:29:43 dape: we should include navigation cues for where people are 12:29:55 q? 12:30:14 McCool: autogeneration is for consistency across groups 12:30:28 we should focus in the short term on keeping our pages up to date 12:30:43 later on we can work on the graphics and styling 12:30:59 q+ 12:31:15 dape: if we start from autogenerated pages we will be stuck 12:32:13 kaz: I have been working with PLH on the auto generation of pages, but suggest that in this call we focus on what we need in the short term 12:32:22 ack k 12:32:34 McCool: okay, let’s start with collecting issues on GitHub 12:32:48 we have some really obvious short term actions to clean up 12:33:38 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/ WoT landing page 12:33:55 dsr: the /WoT/ page is a regular HTML page that we can update 12:33:57 q? 12:34:03 q+ sebastian 12:34:33 sebastian: Matthias made a proposal 2 years back, can anyone remember why it was rejected 12:35:06 dape: it was based upon some other website, not sure why it was rejected 12:35:24 q+ 12:35:25 sebastian: I like the shared style 12:35:29 ack seb 12:35:46 q+ 12:36:15 McCool: it wasn’t rejected, more it didn’t get the support needed 12:36:38 we should re-explore that with the W3C MarCom 12:36:47 https://www.w3.org/WoT 12:37:22 kaz: we need to clarify our needs 12:37:26 q? 12:37:33 ack kaz 12:37:55 idea borrowed from https://w3c.github.io/web-roadmaps/media/ 12:38:14 q+ 12:38:17 McCool: we need to insist a clean up to make the page simpler 12:38:55 kaz: my point is do we want to use the design sebastian pointed to? 12:39:09 sebastian: it is nice and clear for newcomers 12:39:46 the design isn’t critical, it is more about being a nice overview and easy to find out more 12:39:54 q? 12:40:18 q? 12:40:53 dsr: separately from the design, how to fit within W3C, how to find the information? 12:41:47 who is the target audience and what are they looking for and what do we want to tell them 12:42:39 McCool: we should update the landing page this week with the current design 12:42:56 and then we should work with MarCom on the longer term plan 12:43:02 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 12:43:37 https://w3c.github.io/web-roadmaps/media/ 12:43:53 Dape: the media group are also unhappy about the wordpress page model 12:44:36 kaz: you are showing the private proposal from Francois Daoust 12:44:47 q+ 12:45:01 ack dape 12:45:10 q+ 12:45:30 sebastian: we have to rely on the W3C to help us 12:46:02 ack d 12:46:32 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/WG/ WG page 12:46:44 dsr: I am happy to update the current pages this week if we can gather what needs to be done 12:47:08 kaz summarises the plan 12:47:38 McCool: let’s decide some actions 12:47:54 i/let's/topic: Next steps/ 12:47:56 1. let’s start a doodle poll for a joint call with MarCom 12:48:11 2. Ege and propose content for the Wikipedia page for review by us 12:48:19 q+ 12:48:29 3. Dave can update the /WoT page this week for us to review 12:49:17 The /WoT/ page when redesigned becomes out landing page 12:50:15 McCool: the IG and WG page need links to the landing page and a brief explanation 12:51:37 dsr: I see this task force as responsible for driving regular, topical updates 12:52:08 McCool: the IG page should indicate it is a sub-page under the landing page 12:52:24 kaz: we should avoid certain words, e.g. “activity” 12:52:52 dsr: using activity in lower case may be okay 12:53:25 kaz: we could collectively work on improved wording 12:54:00 I strongly suggest we continue this discussion as GitHub issues 12:55:15 dsr: I will include a link to https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing so people can find it 12:55:22 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing wot-marketing repo 12:55:33 as the starting point 12:55:43 to raise issues 12:55:45 sebastian: we can then work on a plan for what we really want in the redesign 12:56:28 kaz: I encourage sebastian to make an issue and link to design idea pages 12:58:34 sebastian should have admin rights for the repo 12:59:01 currently he doesn’t have push access 13:00:31 (now fixed) 13:00:42 rrsagent, set logs public 13:00:56 meeting: WoT Marketing Task Force 13:01:01 chair: Sebastian 13:01:59 q? 13:03:17 [adjourned] 13:03:19 rrsagent, make minutes 13:03:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/30-wot-marketing-minutes.html dsr 13:24:04 taki has left #wot-marketing