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20:05:26 <DaveBrowning> present+
20:05:27 <roba> present+
20:05:39 <TomB> present+
20:05:42 <kcoyle> chair: kcoyle
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20:06:37 <kcoyle> meeting: DXWG plenary September 17, 2019
20:06:38 <Makx_> present+
20:07:34 <DaveBrowning> topic: admin
20:07:43 <kcoyle> scribenick: DaveBrowning
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20:08:07 <DaveBrowning> topic: minutes of last week
20:08:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
20:09:03 <DaveBrowning> proposed: accept minutes of last week
20:09:07 <TomB> +1 to accept minutes
20:09:10 <annette_g> +1
20:09:10 <Makx_> 0
20:09:11 <kcoyle> +1
20:09:12 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:09:23 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:09:27 <ncar> 0
20:09:42 <roba> +0
20:09:51 <DaveBrowning> resolved: accept minutes of last week
20:10:15 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.09.17
20:10:40 <roba> q+
20:10:43 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99375/DCAT_to_CR/
20:10:43 <DaveBrowning> topic: DCAT vote
20:11:03 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: Still have some people to vote
20:11:33 <annette_g> done
20:12:18 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/881#issuecomment-532267514
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20:12:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:12:56 <AndreaPerego> present+
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20:13:44 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
20:13:46 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: #881 pull request, no change to the namespace; will be done at point of transition; not normative
20:14:18 <kcoyle> ... follow current practice and point to links in html, but if you ask for .ttl you will get that back
20:14:49 <kcoyle> roba: when you follow link and import seems strange; implementation behavior is not normative
20:15:00 <kcoyle> ... what happens when I import this, what do I get?
20:15:37 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
20:15:43 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:15:55 <kcoyle> comment: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/881#issuecomment-516859294
20:16:10 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: not part of the normative document that is under review
20:16:13 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
20:16:52 <kcoyle> roba: if implementation level stays ok, I guess that's ok
20:17:07 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
20:17:11 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: ttl files and json-ld are not normative, so a secondary task
20:17:34 <kcoyle> ... depends on w3c practice on namespaces
20:18:31 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
20:18:34 <kcoyle> roba: cardinality issues with format
20:18:40 <kcoyle> ... dct:format
20:19:09 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: don't remember that one
20:19:15 <AndreaPerego> Probably roba refers to https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1055
20:20:08 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: we touched on this; discussed last week; will defer for future work
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20:20:49 <kcoyle> q?
20:23:38 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: will say: have put together a draft transition request - https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/DCAT:-Draft-Transition-Request-to-CR
20:24:25 <kcoyle> ... will need to make some things clearer in github to show disposition of milestones and future work
20:24:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> yes i think 1055 need to be moved in the future development
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20:26:59 <DaveBrowning> topic: conneg readiness for vote
20:27:13 <DaveBrowning> ncar: draft includes all the changes
20:27:16 <PWinstanley> present+
20:27:36 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: open for review now, with poll at end
20:27:46 <ncar> Conneg is ready at https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/conneg-by-ap/
20:28:10 <DaveBrowning> ... so we keep chnages to just editorial
20:28:18 <DaveBrowning> s/chnages/changes/
20:28:51 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: will ask people to vote yes/no/abstain
20:29:07 <DaveBrowning> ... guidance to be sent out with poll announcement
20:29:36 <DaveBrowning> ncar: document good to go, no planned conneg sub-group meeting during vote
20:29:58 <DaveBrowning> ... then move to implementation report
20:30:50 <DaveBrowning> ... using test tool to measure what features/risk
20:30:54 <roba> q+
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20:31:37 <roba> q-
20:31:53 <roba> q+
20:32:19 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: state of open issues?
20:33:09 <DaveBrowning> ncar: not many - some marked nofix
20:33:09 <roba> fewer issues than DCAT - nothing substantive
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20:34:19 <DaveBrowning> roba: probably put DCAT profile in primer or similar
20:34:41 <DaveBrowning> ... major 'at risk' is the http/ietf approach
20:35:15 <DaveBrowning> ... perhaps need to de-scope format/profile example
20:35:50 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: Any questions for conneg before we start review/vote?
20:35:54 <kcoyle> q?
20:35:57 <PWinstanley> qa+
20:36:01 <PWinstanley> q+
20:36:03 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:36:16 <annette_g> q+
20:36:24 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley
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20:36:55 <DaveBrowning> PWinstanley: Nothing wrong with marking at risk since it saves time later if a risk occurs
20:37:15 <DaveBrowning> ... If there is anything 'weak' then best to mark
20:37:36 <DaveBrowning> q+ re at risk options
20:38:07 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
20:38:08 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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20:38:42 <DaveBrowning> annette_g: Question about the feature at risk - is it the whole concept of http negotiation?
20:39:07 <DaveBrowning> roba: No, its really just the alignment with ietf
20:39:47 <ncar> q+
20:40:19 <kcoyle> ack DaveBrowning
20:40:19 <Zakim> DaveBrowning, you wanted to discuss at risk options
20:41:37 <roba> q+
20:41:53 <ncar> I have created the "Transition to CR" doc draft for Conneg: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Conneg:-Draft-Transition-Request-to-CR
20:41:59 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:42:36 <DaveBrowning> ncar: Its not a requirement to use tokens in headers but its not mandatory...
20:42:54 <DaveBrowning> annette_g: actually, question was on what the rationale on why
20:43:47 <DaveBrowning> ncar: query string functionality needed something for discovery
20:44:07 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: there is a good discussion written down, perhaps publicise
20:44:31 <ncar> token discussion in Conneg linked to from here: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1064
20:45:30 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: end time for vote will be next Tuesday
20:45:36 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:45:52 <annette_g> @ncar, that doesn't appear to be the right link
20:46:03 <DaveBrowning> topic: Status of profiles vocab
20:47:06 <DaveBrowning> roba: Profiles vocab has been handling comments but there is a broad lack of understanding of exchange (vs discovery)
20:47:13 <DaveBrowning> ... has meant many open issues
20:47:36 <DaveBrowning> ... that don't really impact the vocabulary
20:47:43 <ncar> PROF ED is at https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/prof/
20:48:00 <DaveBrowning> ...  This suggests it would be better to call it a note rather than a rec
20:48:35 <DaveBrowning> ... rather than reduce what's in the actual document as it stands.
20:50:12 <DaveBrowning> ... spec is complete but there are many issues that need to be handled.
20:50:42 <DaveBrowning> ... so suggest that it moves as a note
20:51:05 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: Profiles vocabulary to be moved forward as a potential working group note
20:51:08 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:51:09 <PWinstanley> +1
20:51:12 <annette_g> +1
20:51:14 <Makx_> +1
20:51:15 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:51:15 <antoine> +1
20:51:20 <TomB> +1
20:51:31 <roba> +1
20:52:06 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: will still need to be voted on but have much more time
20:52:10 <kcoyle> +1
20:52:22 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: Profiles vocabulary to be moved forward as a potential working group note
20:52:30 <ncar> 0
20:54:02 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: since effort on DCAT, conneg should drop off, it should create time to discuss profiles vocab in more depth across the WG
20:54:04 <TomB> q+ to ask why the PROF Editors' Draft https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profilesont/ no longer resolves
20:54:10 <kcoyle> ack TomB
20:54:10 <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask why the PROF Editors' Draft https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profilesont/ no longer resolves
20:54:24 <ncar> PROF ED is at https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/prof/
20:54:47 <Makx_> works for me
20:55:53 <DaveBrowning> roba: should be a re-direct but doesnt seem to work
20:55:56 <DaveBrowning> kc
20:56:20 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: if someone (roba/ncar) could contact dsr cc  chairs.....
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20:58:06 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: All Working Group review Conneg for CR status, with final decision September 24
20:58:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:58:13 <TomB> link to Conneg?
20:58:15 <PWinstanley> +1
20:58:15 <Makx_> +1
20:58:16 <ncar> +1
20:58:26 <ncar> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/conneg-by-ap/
20:58:33 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:58:34 <kcoyle> +1
20:58:35 <roba> +1
20:58:39 <annette_g> does this mean any ongoing concerns won't get addressed?
20:58:39 <TomB> Is that stable enough to print out for a long flight coming up?
20:58:50 <TomB> +1
20:58:50 <ncar> yes
20:58:54 <TomB> thanks
20:58:58 <antoine> +1
20:59:01 <annette_g> -1
20:59:17 <roba> q+
21:00:30 <DaveBrowning> annette_g: Think there are open conversations issues - is there no scope to address
21:01:12 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: there is no time left.  So if there are critical issues then it would be a 'no' vote
21:02:10 <DaveBrowning> roba: what is  process
21:02:38 <TomB> One possible vote is "abstain" if there is doubt, correct?
21:02:42 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: any doubts/issues could be put on github, or talk offline and record appropriately
21:02:43 <annette_g> 0
21:03:11 <PWinstanley> +1 to TomB
21:03:49 <DaveBrowning> kcoyle: abstain is important, to show involvement (if that's applicable)
21:04:03 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: All Working Group review Conneg for CR status, with final decision September 24
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21:05:23 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks all, bye!
21:05:24 <Makx_> ok bye
21:05:28 <annette_g> bye
21:05:30 <roba> bye
21:05:31 <PWinstanley> bye
21:05:32 <TomB> bye all
21:05:50 <antoine> bye
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21:29:01 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.09.17
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