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14:54:14 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Chairs’ Telco
14:54:14 <ivan> Chair:  Luc
14:54:14 <ivan> Date: 2019-08-23
14:54:43 <George> present+
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15:04:27 <ivan> regrets+ dauwhe
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15:05:11 <George> scribe: George
15:05:29 <laudrain> Topic: EPUBCheck
15:05:32 <George> Chair: Luc
15:05:42 <ivan> Topic: EPUBCheck status
15:05:48 <George> Topic: Status of EPUBCheck
15:06:14 <ivan> regrets: jeff
15:06:21 <George> We had status call with Romain. Develop is going on and imporant items going on.
15:06:56 <ivan> s/We had/Luc: We had/
15:07:13 <George> more efforts to raise money.In September we need to launch
15:07:27 <George> We still need about $50k.
15:07:57 <George> Payment to DAISY at the end of this month. If no objection, we will proceed.
15:07:59 <liisamk> +1 to sending the $
15:08:07 <George> Any objections?
15:08:12 <wendyreid> +1
15:08:15 <ivan> +1
15:08:18 <George> Resolved, to pay DAISY.
15:08:21 <mateus> +1
15:08:38 <George> Please read the document Romain prepared.
15:08:40 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
15:09:07 <George> We will prepare new communications to go out associated with fund raising for EPUBCheck.
15:09:22 <laudrain> q?
15:09:25 <George> Questions?
15:09:49 <George> Garth: sounds good, no other comments.
15:10:32 <George> Topic: Plan for PBG calls
15:11:00 <George> proposed to have two calls a month, one every two weeks.
15:11:27 <George> Skip August 27
15:12:09 <laudrain> Skip 27th
15:12:10 <laudrain> European/Us on September 3rd
15:12:11 <laudrain> Asian/US on 17th cancelled
15:12:12 <laudrain> European/Us on September 24rd
15:12:13 <laudrain> Asian/US on October
15:12:13 <George> September 3 will be EU and NA
15:13:35 <George> Asian on September  24. and then on two week schedule.
15:14:08 <George> We need to let Garth know so he will send the calendar invite out.
15:14:34 <liisamk> q+
15:14:42 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:14:58 <laudrain> q+
15:15:22 <George> Liisa: Feedbak meeting schedule and the agenda does not give them time to address properly.
15:15:32 <laudrain> PBG Github repo: https://github.com/w3c/publ-bg
15:16:14 <laudrain> ack laudrain
15:16:15 <ivan> q+
15:16:16 <George> Github will be used to put topics out there and have discussions in small groups and and on  github.Github.
15:17:07 <George> Ivan: there is the wiki as well.
15:17:17 <laudrain> q?
15:17:21 <laudrain> ack ivan
15:17:23 <ivan> ack ivan
15:18:16 <laudrain> George: the topics proposed in the PBG will be added to he github
15:18:38 <George> Process will be to create a Github topic for discussion and then it will be posted to the list with a link to the Github wiki.
15:18:39 <wendyreid> q+
15:18:59 <ivan> Topic: strategy discussion
15:19:01 <George> Topic: Further strategy discussion.
15:19:27 <laudrain> ack wendyreid
15:19:32 <George> Wendy: good things happening in the EPUB 3 CG call.
15:19:46 <George> PBG has not had a discussion.
15:20:09 <laudrain> q+
15:20:27 <George> Our discussions are dependent on the various group discussions. I am concerned that we do not get the feedback from these groups.
15:20:35 <laudrain> q-
15:21:02 <George> Liisa:If we have been asking and they do not come forward with ideas, what do we do?
15:21:03 <garth> q?
15:21:04 <garth> q+
15:21:08 <ivan> q+
15:21:13 <George> Do people want anything huge?
15:21:15 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:21:35 <Avneesh> q+
15:21:45 <ivan> q-
15:21:53 <George> Wendy: Why does it need to be huge? What is wrong with small improvements?
15:22:32 <George> The working group will do what the community wants us to do.
15:22:42 <liisamk> ack garth
15:22:55 <George> Garth: It is positive that we are not being asked to do big things.
15:23:17 <George> If EPUB 3 is fine, then we carry on.
15:23:29 <mateus> +1 wendyreid, garth
15:23:36 <laudrain> q?
15:23:39 <George> If the community decides it needs to go rec track, then fine.
15:23:39 <liisamk> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:23:58 <George> However, if we are fine the way we are then fine too.
15:24:12 <George> Bill: The community we have is from book.
15:24:31 <George> There are other groups that are not necessarily represented.
15:24:44 <laudrain> q+
15:24:59 <George> There are all kinds of things that could be done that are not represented in our group.
15:25:08 <George> Trade is in good shape.
15:25:48 <George> The WG is not able to get input from sectors where work could be done.
15:26:14 <liisamk> ack Avneesh
15:26:30 <George> Avneesh: The strategy document can be improved, but we need feedback first.
15:26:48 <George> Bill is right in getting greater feedback.
15:27:14 <George> There are players beyond the book world.
15:28:04 <George> A goint task force from the BG and the WG and other groups who we can reach out to other publishing sectors.
15:28:14 <George> q+
15:28:23 <mateus> +1 avneesh
15:28:35 <George> Outreach on behalf of PBG and WG.
15:28:45 <liisamk> q+
15:28:58 <George> Luc: the status of the document is a question.
15:28:58 <liisamk> ack laudrain
15:29:38 <George> There are parking lot items and we need to discuss these items.
15:30:04 <laudrain> scribe+ laudrain
15:30:04 <wendyreid> scribe+
15:30:24 <laudrain> George: PBG and PWG would do outreach
15:30:40 <laudrain> … their confort zone
15:30:49 <laudrain> … LMS, STM, ...
15:30:55 <laudrain> Is taht correct?
15:31:04 <laudrain> … Is taht correct ?
15:31:28 <laudrain> q?
15:31:40 <liisamk> ack George
15:31:41 <laudrain> ack Geo
15:31:48 <George> Avneesh: The PWG that needs to gather input. Outside our comfort zone.
15:31:51 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:31:59 <laudrain> q+
15:32:11 <Avneesh> q+
15:32:16 <George> Liisa: How exactly will the joint taske force is different from the SC?
15:32:34 <George> Is this a problem because we do not have a champion.
15:33:14 <George> Avneesh: If we had a person with high level marketing and connections in many areas of the large publishing community.
15:33:14 <laudrain> q?
15:33:30 <liisamk> q+
15:33:38 <ivan> ack Avneesh
15:33:46 <liisamk> ack laudrain
15:33:49 <George> The SC is the same people and we need to decide if the SC will take this up or a different task force.
15:34:37 <George> Luc: The EPUB 3 CG is having a rich conversation, and there is good outreach taking place. this CG has more than 250 people. This is a great place for input.
15:34:38 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:34:40 <wendyreid> q+
15:34:49 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:35:21 <Avneesh> q+
15:35:35 <George> Liisa: The strategy document that the PBG  would promote requires more discussion in the SC.
15:35:49 <liisamk> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:36:16 <George> Bill: Agree with Luc that EPUB 3 CG is great. But that is about EPUB. What about complex publications that are not EPUB 3?
15:36:56 <liisamk> ack Avneesh
15:37:17 <George> Avneesh: About EPUB 3 going to rec track, we do not need to make the decision soon.
15:37:31 <ivan> +1 to Avneesh
15:37:41 <liisamk> q+
15:37:47 <ivan> ack wendyreid
15:37:48 <liisamk> ack wendyreid
15:37:48 <George> After the CG decides what it wants to do we could after that.
15:38:02 <George> Wendy: agree with Avneesh.
15:38:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/not  EPUB 3/not EPUB 3 but could benefit from WP
15:38:29 <George> Regarding the outreach to new people.
15:38:49 <ivan> q+
15:39:05 <ivan> q-
15:39:17 <George> People have been tracking what the WP was doing, but we could do ourtreach to others.
15:39:39 <George> Business out reach is not Wendy's area of expertise.
15:40:15 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:40:35 <George> Liisa: The movement that the CG takes should drive what happens . The PBG can bring business requirements to the CG to include.
15:41:08 <George> We have had difficulity with doing outreach to non members.
15:41:35 <George> Topic: Amazon
15:42:01 <Daihei> q+
15:42:12 <George> Liisa: We should be careful, because they have been interested, but then nothing emerges.
15:42:13 <liisamk> ack Daihei
15:42:28 <wendyreid> q+
15:42:40 <George> Daihei: Will Amazon people be included in the TPAC meetings?
15:42:48 <liisamk> ack wendyreid
15:43:20 <George> Wendy: R and W reached out. One person is going and email will go out to develop the hour long agenda item. So working on it.
15:44:52 <Avneesh> q+
15:45:16 <liisamk> ack Avneesh
15:46:54 <liisamk> q+
15:48:58 <George> Topic: implementation challenges
15:49:21 <George> Liisa: A author is very interested in accessibility.
15:49:45 <George> There is a black hole where things work here, but not there.
15:49:57 <George> q+
15:50:10 <liisamk> ack liisamk
15:50:47 <ivan> regrets+ mattg
15:51:09 <laudrain> George: the index issue tested with Kindle format was not standard and revealed interesting problmems
15:51:39 <laudrain> … plenty other area to test other technqiues and build best practices
15:52:08 <laudrain> … suvey of the developers on Math, will be published anonymously
15:52:24 <laudrain> … will ask publishers abourt developing best pratices
15:52:39 <laudrain> … testing implementations is a great idea
15:53:08 <laudrain> Lisa: in DAISY KB about endnote, not working in all systems
15:53:42 <laudrain> … suggestion from DAISY to reformat the book, helped to convince people to do differently
15:53:54 <laudrain> … but tough as not native testing for us
15:54:24 <laudrain> George: get chuncks of books for testing that would be great
15:54:45 <laudrain> … especially when it is big
15:55:09 <laudrain> Liisa: many small pieces kills the RS but too huge doc also
15:55:35 <laudrain> … how van we fcilitate more this kind of discussson
15:55:50 <laudrain> … anything eles?
15:56:04 <George> Liisa: anything else?
15:56:13 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:56:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/23-pbgsc-minutes.html ivan
15:56:13 <ivan> zakim, bye
15:56:13 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
15:56:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
15:56:13 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been George, laudrain, liisamk, Avneesh, wendyreid, ivan, Rachel, Bill_Kasdorf, Garth, Daihei, mateus
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