10:28:02 RRSAgent has joined #clreq 10:28:02 logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/08/06-clreq-irc 10:28:05 Zakim has joined #clreq 11:00:33 Meeting: Clreq Editors' Call 11:01:45 present+ Eric, Xidorn, xfq 11:02:01 chair: xfq 11:02:06 scribenick: xfq 11:07:40 present+ Bobby 11:08:19 present+ Yijun 11:09:15 regrets: Huijing 11:10:36 Topic: Organization of clreq 11:10:40 https://github.com/w3c/typography/pull/63#issuecomment-500369772 11:10:50 xfq: In a GitHub issue ^ 11:11:50 ... r12a said that he preferred to break out the general information about punctuation and move it under section 2 11:11:53 ... then reassign the other subsections under headings related to both line breaking and text-alignment 11:11:56 ... what do you think? 11:12:17 https://w3c.github.io/typography/ 11:15:41 Bobby: our document structure is complex 11:15:41 ... not easy to grasp 11:15:41 Eric: link break is complicated 11:15:41 ... does not seem to fit in one section 11:15:49 ... https://thetype.com/2018/01/14017/ 11:16:09 ... I wrote an article about line break ^ 11:20:00 Topic: Go through the issue and pull request list 11:20:19 https://github.com/w3c/clreq/pulls 12:02:21 Eric: I don't think the general information about punctuation fits in § 2 12:02:21 Xidorn: perhaps a new section? 12:02:21 Eric: I'll think about it 12:03:52 https://github.com/w3c/clreq/pull/222 12:04:04 Eric: I think we can merge this 12:04:09 All: Agreed. 12:04:21 https://github.com/w3c/clreq/pull/225 12:04:31 xfq: #225 looks good to me 12:05:01 ... it fixes https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/172 12:05:38 Eric: looks good to me 12:06:19 xfq: @lizheming is a contributor from 360 12:06:38 https://github.com/w3c/clreq/pull/226 12:07:03 xfq: r12a and huijing reviewed this PR 12:41:53 ... Zheming asked a question 12:41:53 ... https://github.com/w3c/clreq/pull/226#discussion_r309048198 12:41:53 ... he thinks "末侧" is unnecessary in the Chinese description "可以缩减该符号末侧二分之一个汉字大小的空白" 12:42:10 Eric: I think "末侧" is necessary 12:42:10 ... 末侧 does not apply to 间隔号 (middle dot), since it's vertically and horizontally centered within its square frame 12:42:10 ... and we're rewriting this section 12:42:16 rrsagent, make log public 12:42:21 rrsagent, make minutes v2 12:42:21 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/06-clreq-minutes.html xfq 12:42:38 Eric: I don't see 末侧 appear in the English translation? 12:42:44 xfq: no, it doesn't appear 12:42:44 ... nor in General Rules for Punctuation § 5.1.10 12:42:44 ... GB standard only mentions "应占半角字符的宽度" 12:42:50 Eric: GB standard describes in terms of the width the character occupies 12:42:50 ... but we describes in terms of the space can be reduced/compressed 12:42:50 ... therefore, we need to mention *which* part of space is reduced 12:42:57 ... in jlreq, the character advance of the puncutations are half-width by default 12:42:57 ... they only become full-width when they're placed side-by-side with ideographic/kana 12:42:57 ... clreq does not use this approach 12:43:01 ... in clreq, puncutations are full-width by default 12:43:06 Xidorn: I think 末侧 is needed 12:43:06 Eric: rereading the paragraph, now I think we can remove 末侧 12:43:06 Xidorn: what about other instances of 始侧 and 末侧 in this section? 12:43:11 https://w3c.github.io/clreq/#h-compression_of_punctuation_marks_at_line_start 12:43:17 Eric: we can probably remove all instances of 始侧 and 末侧 12:43:17 ... does publications in Taiwan and Hong Kong compress the punctuation marks? 12:43:17 Yijun: some books do 12:43:23 Eric: which side? 12:43:23 Yijun: 始末 (both sides) 12:43:23 Eric: but the punctuation marks are at the center of the square space 12:43:31 Yijun: not for brackets 12:43:31 Eric: any real example? 12:43:31 Yijun: I'll find examples 12:43:36 Eric: we probably can't resolve on whether 末侧 is necessary today 12:43:36 ... let's discuss this after rewriting § 3.1.6 Compression Rules for Punctuation Marks 12:43:44 xfq: I propose that we merge #226 first 12:43:44 ... since it's only about the English translation, not the Chinese version 12:43:44 Eric: OK 12:43:46 rrsagent, make minutes 12:43:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/06-clreq-minutes.html xfq 12:44:11 https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/223 12:46:30 xfq: I marked this as future work 12:46:32 Eric: there are multiple different conventions for this 12:46:32 ... if we want to mention this in clreq, we can only say "one way to do this is..." 12:46:34 https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/221 13:05:21 Eric: please have a look at my text in #221 13:05:21 [Eric goes through the text] 13:05:21 Eric: the 8 points in § 3.1.6.1 Compression of adjacent punctuation marks is too complicated 13:05:27 ... so I rewrote them 13:05:27 ... any comment? 13:05:32 xfq: it looks better than the current text 13:05:32 Eric: I asked a question about the third point in the comment 13:05:32 Xidorn: what are the differences between 3b and 3d 13:05:40 [Eric explains the differences between 3a, 3b, 3c, and 3d] 13:05:40 Eric: the space should be compressed to the state in 3b at least 13:05:40 ... whether there's need to compress further (as in 3c and 3d), depends on the style 13:05:45 ... please look into my text and comment in the issue 13:05:45 ... after hearing feedback, I can submit a pull request 13:05:45 ... I haven't found the time for #220 yet 13:05:45 ... I'll look into it 13:05:52 rrsagent, make minutes 13:05:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/06-clreq-minutes.html xfq 13:05:59 Topic: Next telecon time 13:11:53 Zakim has left #clreq 13:12:49 xfq: ATypI (5-7), Mid-Autumn Festival (13), and TPAC (16-20) in September 13:12:52 ... I'll be in Japan from September 15 to 21 13:12:52 September 11, Wed, 19:00-20:00 (UTC+8) 13:12:58 rrsagent, make minutes v2 13:12:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/06-clreq-minutes.html xfq 14:02:56 xfq has joined #clreq 14:03:44 rrsagent, bye 14:03:44 I see no action items