IRC log of dxwgcneg on 2019-08-01
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- Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 01 August 2019
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- Meeting: DXWG CNEG subgroup telecon
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- present+
- 12:10:30 [roba]
- present+
- 12:10:32 [LarsG]
- RRSAgent, please make logs public
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- scribenick: roba
- 12:10:44 [LarsG]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
- 12:10:44 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/01-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
- 12:11:17 [ncar]
- present+
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- Topic: Admin
- 12:11:35 [LarsG]
- Subtopic: Confirm agenda
- 12:12:43 [LarsG]
- +1 with addition that we look at Nick's QSA before the status check of 3pwd
- 12:12:50 [roba]
- +1
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- RESOLVED: Agenda confirmed
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- Subtopic: Approve minutes from last meeting
- 12:13:26 [LarsG]
- https://www.w3.org/2019/07/25-dxwgcneg-minutes
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- +1
- 12:13:46 [ncar]
- +1
- 12:14:08 [roba]
- +1
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- RESOLVED: Minutes from last meeting approved
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- Subtopic: Check list of open action items
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- action-193?
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- action-193 -- Rob Atkinson to Move jmeter test suite to within w3c systems -- due 2018-09-05 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/193
- 12:14:56 [roba]
- roba: #193 still open
- 12:15:20 [LarsG]
- action-343?
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- action-343 -- Nicholas Car to Update qsa documentation with an equivalent to getcapabilities -- due 2019-07-11 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/343
- 12:15:51 [roba]
- ncar: PR is in - so we can close
- 12:15:58 [LarsG]
- close action-343
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- Closed action-343.
- 12:16:08 [LarsG]
- action-347?
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- action-347 -- Rob Atkinson to Create new gh issue explaining the problem of redirects and refer to that issue in the wd -- due 2019-07-18 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/347
- 12:16:41 [LarsG]
- roba: not actioned yet, still open
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- action-348?
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- action-348 -- Nicholas Car to Create pr with real examples to solve #287 -- due 2019-07-18 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/348
- 12:17:06 [roba]
- ncar: PR accepted so can close
- 12:17:18 [LarsG]
- close action-348
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- Closed action-348.
- 12:17:23 [LarsG]
- Topic: Topics
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- Subtopic: URIs for profiles specified inside of documents where the profile have no specific URIs
- 12:18:48 [LarsG]
- roba: if we cannot specify a URI we cannot supply that functionality. So we're ready to answer TomB
- 12:18:52 [ncar]
- +1
- 12:18:57 [LarsG]
- +1
- 12:20:35 [roba]
- +1
- 12:20:49 [LarsG]
- Action: LarsG to respond to Tom Baker re URIs for profiles inside of documents
- 12:20:50 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-355 - Respond to tom baker re uris for profiles inside of documents [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2019-08-08].
- 12:21:21 [LarsG]
- Subtopic: Discussion of Antoine's conneg doc edits
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- https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/575#issuecomment-515982929
- 12:24:18 [LarsG]
- ACTION: ncar to implement Antoine's suggestions as laid out in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/575#issuecomment-515982929
- 12:24:19 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-356 - Implement antoine's suggestions as laid out in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/575#issuecomment-515982929 [on Nicholas Car - due 2019-08-08].
- 12:24:47 [roba]
- 6.1 - should be called overview?
- 12:24:50 [LarsG]
- ACTION: roba to add examples using 303 redirects
- 12:24:51 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-357 - Add examples using 303 redirects [on Rob Atkinson - due 2019-08-08].
- 12:25:36 [LarsG]
- Subtopic: Major overhaul of QSA section: Branch conneg-ACTION-343 preview
- 12:25:45 [LarsG]
- https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/conneg-ACTION-343/conneg-by-ap/index.html
- 12:28:03 [roba]
- ncar: all minor changes requested processed - still open question about QSA "key discovery" completeness or relevance
- 12:29:09 [roba]
- ... easier to reference things now behavioural profiles - may be able to remove reference to abstract "Realization" and reference profiles by name
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- roba: will update OGC implementation to use the "canonical" QSA instead of an alternative
- 12:32:28 [roba]
- ... most critical to get evidence
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- ... feeling is we cannot proscribe mechanisms for alternate realisations.. but can specifiy requirements
- 12:33:41 [roba]
- ... and the tricky requirement is to define how to discover what implementation is being used from a resource - easier from a catalog description.
- 12:34:24 [roba]
- ... so propose to drop Link header example
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- ncar: can put examples of other possible implementations into another repository
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- roba: Linked Data API for example has a /meta/ resource which describes the API - including the list of views available.
- 12:38:52 [roba]
- ncar: in example10 we have a json example of link headers - so we could actually define the data model
- 12:40:27 [roba]
- roba: json schema and json-ld contexts overlap - but we can define a data model in RDFS and create a json-ld implementation and json schema for it
- 12:40:45 [roba]
- LarsG: agree we need a data model
- 12:41:48 [roba]
- roba: where is the json example?
- 12:42:39 [roba]
- ncar: look at the other way - we define a data model for profiles listings - then we can show how it can be used as a canonical alternates view content
- 12:42:57 [roba]
- roba: +1
- 12:43:20 [LarsG]
- The JSON example is Example 10: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/conneg-ACTION-343/conneg-by-ap/index.html#eg-list-profiles-mediatype
- 12:44:32 [roba]
- roba: content in a response document is often nested inside some metadata/wrapper - e.g. WFS or Linked Data API - so we need to specify content - not its position in response document
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- ... eg xpath //x means any existence of x in a document
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- roba: can we compare "alternates view" data models
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- ncar: ok lets review previous work
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- roba: implementation at OGC is an interim - need to update soon
- 12:49:35 [roba]
- ACTION: roba to convene working session to co-develop common model to match link header data and alternates view requirements.
- 12:49:35 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-358 - to convene working session to co-develop common model to match link header data and alternates view requirements. [on Rob Atkinson - due 2019-08-08].
- 12:50:04 [LarsG]
- Subtopic: Status check of 3PWD Issues
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- ncar: other implementations can go into code repositories not document itself
- 12:51:59 [LarsG]
- https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/20
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- issues are being updated as discussed.
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/01-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
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