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11:52:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
11:52:57 <trackbot> Date: 25 July 2019
11:53:23 <LarsG> Meeting: DXWG CNEG Telecon
11:53:31 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please make logs public
11:53:43 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
11:53:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/07/25-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
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12:05:30 <LarsG> present+ roba
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12:06:30 <LarsG> scribeNick: LarsG
12:06:33 <LarsG> Chair: roba
12:06:36 <roba> TOPIC: confirm agenda
12:06:56 <LarsG> +1
12:06:58 <ncar> +1
12:07:24 <LarsG> roba: We need to discuss profile definition, too
12:07:30 <roba> +1
12:07:51 <roba> TOPIC: accept minutes  https://www.w3.org/2019/07/18-dxwgcneg-minutes
12:08:02 <LarsG> +1
12:08:08 <roba> +1
12:08:11 <ncar> +1
12:08:18 <roba> RESOLVED: accept minutes
12:08:19 <LarsG> RESOLVED: Approved minutes from last meeting
12:08:38 <roba> TOPIC: open action items https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/4
12:08:42 <LarsG> action-193?
12:08:42 <trackbot> action-193 -- Rob Atkinson to Move jmeter test suite to within w3c systems -- due 2018-09-05 -- OPEN
12:08:42 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/193
12:08:53 <LarsG> roba: No progress on 193
12:09:01 <LarsG> action-343?
12:09:01 <trackbot> action-343 -- Nicholas Car to Update qsa documentation with an equivalent to getcapabilities -- due 2019-07-11 -- OPEN
12:09:01 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/343
12:09:09 <LarsG> ncar: large update
12:09:30 <LarsG> ... we might be able to circumvent this issue
12:10:32 <LarsG> ... the link header can be the key here
12:10:59 <LarsG> ... we need to give the ua a hint of the alternate views
12:12:16 <LarsG> ... and that can be done through the link header
12:12:44 <LarsG> roba: Is it possible to create examples?
12:24:50 <LarsG> ncar: <describes the implementation proposal>
12:25:32 <LarsG> roba: this conflates 343 and 347...
12:26:16 <LarsG> ... we'll leave 343 open until ncar makes a PR
12:26:28 <LarsG> action-347?
12:26:28 <trackbot> action-347 -- Rob Atkinson to Create new gh issue explaining the problem of redirects and refer to that issue in the wd -- due 2019-07-18 -- OPEN
12:26:28 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/347
12:27:11 <LarsG> roba: we'll handle this one together with 343
12:27:21 <LarsG> action-348?
12:27:21 <trackbot> action-348 -- Nicholas Car to Create pr with real examples to solve #287 -- due 2019-07-18 -- OPEN
12:27:21 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/348
12:27:45 <LarsG> ncar: still open
12:28:20 <roba> TOPIC: General suitability of URIs for Conneg
12:30:15 <LarsG> roba: Since conformance is a community issue it's for the community to clarify which URIs to use
12:30:33 <LarsG> ncar: is this only about conneg or about profile identification in general?
12:30:51 <LarsG> roba: if there are different profile definitions in one document
12:31:04 <LarsG> ... we need different URIs within the document
12:31:14 <LarsG> ... in order to identify the profiles properly
12:32:13 <LarsG> ncar: is this similar to the functional profiles defined in §2.1?
12:32:27 <LarsG> roba: No, it's about the data profiles used for conneg
12:36:34 <LarsG> ... so can we agree that conneg works on data profiles
12:36:54 <LarsG> ... and that there are functional profiles for how conneg works?
12:36:58 <LarsG> LarsG: +1
12:37:10 <LarsG> ... but that doesn't answer '
12:37:19 <LarsG> ... Tom's question.
12:37:48 <LarsG> roba: It's true that for conneg to work, we need distinct URIs
12:38:06 <LarsG> ... for each profile. If there are no distinct URIs in the specification
12:38:23 <LarsG> ... document, the community needs to invent some
12:39:28 <LarsG> ... so that the URIs unambiguously identify profiles
12:39:44 <LarsG> ... If the whole specification has only one URI,
12:39:52 <LarsG> ... it's not unambiguous
12:40:58 <roba> If a specification is unambiguous about the requirements for conformance as a data profile then it only needs a single URI....
12:41:56 <roba> if there are multiple options defined in the specification which can be negotiated against then these must be unambiguously identified with distinct URIs
12:42:36 <roba> conneg-by-aP provides no mechanism for describing which part of an arbitratry specification is being conformed to .
12:43:06 <roba> s/part of an arbitratry specification/arbitrary part of a specification/
12:46:10 <ncar> if there are multiple options or parts of or within a specification which may be considered suitable for being conformed to then these must be unambiguously identified with distinct URIs and thus can be negotiated with for content
12:48:46 <LarsG> LarsG: goes in the right direction but needs some word-smithing
12:49:29 <LarsG> ... discussion will be in GH #1017
12:49:57 <LarsG> ... once that's resolved, we can answer Tom
12:50:09 <roba> TOPIC: Discussion of Antoine's conneg doc edits: We still need to address some comments..
12:53:31 <LarsG> action: LarsG to review Antoine's comments and check if the 3PWD addresses them all
12:53:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-351 - Review antoine's comments and check if the 3pwd addresses them all [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2019-08-01].
12:53:37 <roba> TOPIC: data profiles definition
12:54:52 <LarsG> ncar: sees a problem since the new definitions are about "data profiles"
12:55:00 <LarsG> ... while conneg talks about "profiles"
12:56:11 <LarsG> ... has made some PRs to reflect this in conneg, prof etc.
12:56:27 <LarsG> roba: not much of an issue to conneg since that's about data profiles
12:56:41 <LarsG> ... prof, however, is also about functional profiles
12:56:53 <LarsG> ... data profiles are narrower than profiles
12:58:02 <LarsG> ncar: we need to ensure that the definition doesn't remove context from the document
12:58:29 <LarsG> roba: PROF will define profile as it always has and then add the definition of data profile
13:00:07 <LarsG> ncar: has split the spec of profile in two parts in the current PR
13:02:40 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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