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19:54:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
19:54:15 <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2019
19:54:41 <DaveBrowning> Meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 24 July 2019 20:00 UTC
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19:55:01 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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19:55:17 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.07.24
19:55:20 <DaveBrowning> present+
19:55:43 <DaveBrowning> chair: DaveBrowning
19:55:56 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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20:03:46 <SimonCox> present+
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20:05:57 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
20:06:40 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:09:34 <PWinstanley> present+
20:10:03 <DaveBrowning> agenda - https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.07.24
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20:10:18 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
20:10:27 <PWinstanley> Topic: Admin
20:10:31 <AndreaPerego> s/agenda -/agenda:/
20:10:43 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept minutes of last meeting
20:11:04 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:11:12 <Makx> Present+ Makx
20:11:13 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:11:18 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:11:24 <SimonCox> +1
20:11:55 <PWinstanley> resolved: accept minutes of last meeting
20:12:11 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:12:36 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: No issues from the DCAT plenary for us
20:13:17 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: there is a poll, everyone needs to answer ASAP
20:13:33 <DaveBrowning> Issues as listed in the googel doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1biOFTFAlF6wd7nhi5MsSusMokfdbwWII9OXSyfAw2iQ/edit?usp=sharing
20:13:36 <Makx> Done poll
20:13:37 <PWinstanley> Topic: issues as in Google Doc
20:13:58 <AndreaPerego> Poll on DCAT2: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2019Jul/0495.html
20:14:36 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: There has been tidying up - the doc has all closed issues at the top, then future work , issues due for closing (lots) which I tend to close later in the week
20:14:48 <PWinstanley> ... issues under ColA are effectively still open
20:15:51 <PWinstanley> ... I made a unilateral colour coding decision - yellow = unclear about future course; green = PR fairly advanced; no colour = unclear as to what we're doing
20:16:12 <PWinstanley> ... If colleagues are OK, I'd like  to suggest that we start with #725
20:16:16 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/725
20:16:25 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1010
20:16:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:16:40 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:16:41 <PWinstanley> ... I want to make sure that this is sorted before holiday season
20:18:11 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: re: 725 - a suggestion in the PR that can include SimonCox views
20:18:37 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: where is the short report of what is needed to be done?
20:18:45 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: it is in the PR.
20:19:00 <PWinstanley> ... Please can others pick this up whilst I'm away
20:19:45 <PWinstanley> ... #725 and the related PR are affecting all the skos:scopeNote and I'm trying to avoid conflict by merging issues
20:20:06 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: Thanks riccardoAlbertoni  - sorry it got so complicated
20:20:18 <PWinstanley> ... I think you've implemented accurately.  well done
20:20:28 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: your suggestions were very helpful
20:20:49 <PWinstanley> ... the solution might be repetitive, but at least we won't lose anything
20:21:52 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: I'm looking and accepting mostly the comments you made
20:22:47 <PWinstanley> ... the significant contribution we are making is the translations
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20:23:26 <alejandra> present+
20:24:51 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:24:57 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: issue #983 - is this superceded?
20:24:58 <DaveBrowning> ack ric
20:25:32 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: no, because deleting the terms at the beginning that were duplicated gets rid of the link to the definitions, but we need to harmonise
20:25:52 <DaveBrowning> q?
20:26:01 <PWinstanley> ... the previous version used rdfs:comment and the new version uses skos:definition.
20:26:16 <PWinstanley> ... we decided to use both for backward compatibility
20:26:52 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: sounds sensible - we don't want a mess
20:27:18 <PWinstanley> ... SimonCox  are you ok taking on #1010
20:27:22 <PWinstanley> ...?
20:27:50 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: We have discussed #725 and #983
20:28:12 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/958
20:28:31 <DaveBrowning> ... about languages and direction marker
20:29:20 <PWinstanley> ... the remaing 2 with yellow markers are #958 (coming from the internationalisation review, about language tags and direction markers) I'd like to acknowledge the point about direction metadata and that we respond by saying that we know about it and will incorporate later
20:30:02 <PWinstanley> ... so I've marked in the milestone for future work
20:30:10 <PWinstanley> ... Are people happy with that?
20:30:13 <PWinstanley> +1
20:30:13 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:30:27 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:30:27 <SimonCox> +1
20:30:46 <alejandra> +0
20:30:50 <Makx> +1
20:30:56 <PWinstanley> resolved: to add the direction metadata to a future milestone
20:31:07 <AndreaPerego> I think this feature is more fit to https://www.w3.org/TR/Content-in-RDF10/
20:31:36 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: so I've updated the google doc and will incorporate AndreaPerego suggestion
20:32:15 <PWinstanley> ... The remaining yellow (#972)
20:32:16 <DaveBrowning> Next issue https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/972
20:32:53 <PWinstanley> ... I cannot parse the thread to get the sense.  Has it reached consensus.
20:33:08 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: I say Steve last week and should have discussed it with him.
20:33:28 <PWinstanley> ... the issue was that I thought he had missed the key point
20:34:07 <PWinstanley> ... he is concerned about the range of foaf:document and then wondered if accessURL should be accessPage
20:34:23 <PWinstanley> ... it might need some finessing to deal with foaf:document
20:34:25 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:34:29 <PWinstanley> ... I will attend to it
20:34:38 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:35:06 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: just a note about foaf:document - the point is that this class is more generic than the name of the class itself
20:35:12 <PWinstanley> ... it is very generic
20:35:28 <PWinstanley> s/foaf:document/foaf:Document/
20:35:49 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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20:36:04 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: I think this is from DCAT 2014
20:36:50 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: the semantics is broader than just 'document'
20:37:14 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: you are correct AndreaPerego but we are addressing backward compatibility
20:37:41 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I don't see big issues here
20:38:21 <PWinstanley> ... the problem raised by Steve ended up in also in the wording of props such as accessURL etc
20:38:49 <PWinstanley> ...  I don't know if it can be sorted by modifying the wording of the definition
20:39:33 <PWinstanley> ... in DCAT 2014 there was a relationship between landingPage and accessURL - a usage note indicating a soft relationship
20:40:03 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: So is this enough
20:40:19 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: I am adding a note to the issue capturing some of the discussion we have just had
20:41:03 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: from my side, when working around GeoDCAT-AP and DCAT-AP they were missing the broad notion of landingPage - they were thought to be more for usage with a service than with a dataset
20:41:31 <PWinstanley> ... in DCAT 2014 it was not possible to use landingPage because of a domain restriction
20:43:07 <alejandra> Stephen was referring to the user notes
20:43:17 <alejandra> so I imagine he will agree on tighten up the text
20:43:30 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: So we have covered the points I thought would be most significant or most simple to deal with, but there are still other open issues on the google doc
20:43:44 <alejandra> s/user notes/scope notes
20:43:58 <PWinstanley> ... #979 - I'm not sure what we want to do
20:44:15 <PWinstanley> ... DCAT 2014 didn't do anything, btw
20:44:54 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:44:56 <PWinstanley> ... A related topic is how we publish these things on the website.  My assumption is that the dcat.ttl is a replacement for the one currently in place.  Correct?
20:44:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:44:59 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: Yes
20:45:07 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: Sure?
20:45:09 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:45:36 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: related topic - we had discussions about keeping the old version of dcat.ttl, but I don't know how to do this
20:45:50 <PWinstanley> ... it is about versioning
20:47:02 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: I thought it might work by having the ttl file at /ns/dcat replaced by the new one.  we can also use the latitude afforeded by the namespace file to point to the old dcat.ttl and state that we are publishing a backwardly-compatible file
20:47:12 <PWinstanley> ... the old version will therefore be available
20:47:12 <DaveBrowning> q?
20:47:33 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: W3C has a policy for latest and previous versions - perhaps we could use that
20:48:02 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: Perhaps we could couch it in an HTML file and use the W3C 'latest' version
20:48:03 <DaveBrowning> ack ric
20:48:05 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:48:15 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: I was making the same point as AndreaPerego
20:48:31 <PWinstanley> ... we could add a prov statement
20:48:48 <DaveBrowning> ack DaveBrowning
20:49:17 <AndreaPerego> q+ to note there are some properties from DCTERMS and ADMS that can be used for linking versions of a vocabulary.
20:49:50 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:49:50 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to note there are some properties from DCTERMS and ADMS that can be used for linking versions of a vocabulary.
20:49:57 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: can this be covered with phillipe?
20:50:09 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: yes - I will prime him with this question
20:50:21 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: There is prior art with ADMS
20:50:29 <PWinstanley> ... we can use this approach
20:51:01 <AndreaPerego> Last version https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-adms/#adms-last
20:51:18 <AndreaPerego> Next version version https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-adms/#adms-next
20:51:29 <AndreaPerego> Previous version version https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-adms/#adms-prev
20:51:55 <Makx> +1 to andrea
20:52:19 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: I think we need to be careful not to gold plate this.
20:52:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:52:38 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:53:23 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: I don't think we can change the old spec, so the warning that is seen on the page should be enough
20:55:24 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:55:29 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:55:41 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: I will do the conversion to different formats when the time is right
20:55:58 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I wonder if the server is supporting content negotiation
20:56:44 <PWinstanley> ... we need to clarify what is happening so that we don't add a fudge that then results in inappropriate returns
20:57:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> for DQV we had to explicitly ask for content negotiation
20:57:22 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: The conneg seems to support this, and there is the scope for issues with the version perhaps
20:57:56 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: I think we've concluded
20:58:00 <AndreaPerego> s/version version/version/
20:58:03 <AndreaPerego> s/version version/version/
20:58:10 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:59:10 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
20:59:14 <DaveBrowning> Bye
20:59:15 <alejandra> bye!
20:59:33 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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