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19:53:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
19:53:17 <trackbot> Date: 17 July 2019
19:53:22 <DaveBrowning> present+
19:53:49 <DaveBrowning> Meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 17 July 2019 20:00 UTC
19:53:59 <DaveBrowning> chair: DaveBrowning
19:54:43 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.07.17
19:54:56 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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19:58:01 <DaveBrowning> regrets: PWinstanley, Simon Cox
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19:58:51 <DaveBrowning> regrets- Simon Cox
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20:08:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
20:09:30 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
20:09:41 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve last meeting minutes
20:10:13 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/2019/07/10-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:10:19 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:10:35 <alejandra> +1
20:10:38 <DaveBrowning> agenda - https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.07.17
20:10:40 <alejandra> +present
20:10:56 <AndreaPerego> s/agenda -/agenda; /
20:11:03 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:11:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:11:30 <AndreaPerego> resolved: last meeting minutes approved
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20:11:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/07/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:11:47 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve agenda
20:11:58 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.07.17
20:12:56 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: If you follow the link from the agenda to the google doc, we can go through those still open.
20:13:38 <AndreaPerego> ... I'll close those due for closing Friday morning, to give people the time to chime in.
20:14:21 <AndreaPerego> ... Some still open are about fixes to dcat.ttl.
20:15:09 <AndreaPerego> resolved: confirmed agenda
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20:15:30 <AndreaPerego> topic: actions from the plenary
20:15:44 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Don't think we have any.
20:16:16 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: The only one if the meeting on the 31st, and be sure we are comfortable with the spec.
20:16:41 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: So, let's go to the google doc.
20:16:57 <AndreaPerego> ... We can prioritise the yellow ones.
20:17:17 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/983
20:17:38 <AndreaPerego> ... This is something you raised, riccardoAlbertoni.
20:17:43 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:18:36 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: There are inconsistencies in the properties used for comments in dcat.ttl.
20:18:42 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:18:52 <AndreaPerego> ... So, we need to choose one of the two, or use both.
20:19:12 <alejandra> +q
20:19:15 <AndreaPerego> ... Any preference?
20:19:20 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:19:56 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: rdfs:comment was used in DCAT 2014, so we may include both.
20:20:38 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: No strong opinion on it.
20:21:10 <AndreaPerego> ... So, let's go ahead and use both - if somebody has a strong opinion will shout.
20:21:20 <DaveBrowning> Next issue https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/957
20:21:47 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: This came from the internationalisation review.
20:23:23 <AndreaPerego> ... Steve Richard made a suggestion to make the range more explicit.
20:23:58 <AndreaPerego> ... I think Steve's comment makes sense. Any opinion / objection?
20:24:03 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:24:09 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:25:57 <riccardoAlbertoni> AndreaPerego: in other communities they use date or just the year,  unless the timestamp are generated automatically
20:26:53 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I have an example about the use of year+month - when data are update quarterly.
20:27:04 <riccardoAlbertoni> no i don't have feeling
20:27:31 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: So, I'll do something about that.
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20:28:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:28:40 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: The next one - #958 - may need wider conversation - another internationalisation one.
20:28:55 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I can take care of making a proposal.
20:29:35 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:29:48 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:29:53 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:30:12 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: there is a spec of the language used in the example...
20:30:27 <alejandra> ... the comment is that it does not include language metadata
20:30:35 <alejandra> ... we don't have this
20:30:44 <alejandra> ... we can use DC metadata
20:30:57 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:31:05 <alejandra> ... we follow what DC is doing, and we cannot do otherwise
20:31:24 <alejandra> ... direction metadata means that you need to specify a property for the direction
20:31:35 <DaveBrowning> ack ric
20:31:38 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:32:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:32:38 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:33:34 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/959#issuecomment-509798942
20:33:37 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/959#issuecomment-509699906
20:34:07 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Maybe we can leave open the possibility of using other vocs as Steve suggest.
20:34:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:34:57 <AndreaPerego> ... in his comment to #959.
20:35:00 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:35:35 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:35:42 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:36:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:37:05 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:40:15 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I would recommend against support options different from URIs for interoperability. If people need more information, they can use additional properties.
20:41:16 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I wonder whether there are language URI registries providing this additional information?
20:41:23 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: None I'm aware of.
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20:42:17 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/971
20:42:24 <alejandra> +q
20:42:44 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: This is about an explicit JSON example in the text.
20:42:46 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:43:42 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: It would be nice to have, as in other specs, to provide both ttl and json-ld.
20:43:56 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I don't have a problem, but it's about time.
20:43:57 <alejandra> one example is this: https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-primer/
20:44:03 <alejandra> but there is a nicer example somewhere else
20:44:15 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:44:18 <riccardoAlbertoni> I would leave as very last thing..
20:45:09 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:45:13 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I agree about timing, but I can have a look at it.
20:45:51 <alejandra> +q
20:45:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/I would leave as very last thing../I would leave it as very last thing.. but it would be nice..
20:46:40 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:47:46 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: If we do this, we need to change the approach we are using: examples need to be loaded from external files, and we need to have a script to created the different serialisations.
20:47:58 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I agree, but I can try and look at it.
20:47:59 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:48:05 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
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20:49:53 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/973
20:50:09 <alejandra> the examples are in the repository and while they are not read from the files in the specification, we could change that and provide a way to convert to other formats automatically (and relying on continuous integration)
20:50:29 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Next one is about a useful suggestion to add examples of pkg format, and Steve provided the text.
20:50:49 <AndreaPerego> ... riccardoAlbertoni already created a PR for this one.
20:51:42 <alejandra> sounds good to add those examples
20:51:52 <AndreaPerego> ... So, we can go through the normal process, and review the PR.
20:52:54 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: About #975, I would be for AndreaPerego 's suggestion, but I don't know if we want to do that.
20:53:38 <AndreaPerego> ... Let's wait until SimonCox comments on that.
20:53:52 <AndreaPerego> ... Let's keep it on hold until then.
20:53:58 <DaveBrowning> issue https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/531
20:54:14 <DaveBrowning> next issue https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/531
20:54:29 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Now, about this one, it's an old one.
20:55:31 <AndreaPerego> ... It came out from Clemens, and I think we did respond to it.
20:56:09 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:58:13 <AndreaPerego> q+ to suggest we check with SimonCox about his last comment in the issue.
20:58:32 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:58:32 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to suggest we check with SimonCox about his last comment in the issue.
21:01:49 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I suggest we check with SimonCox the status of this one.
21:02:27 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Fine, but I think we don't have to do anything here - including additional guidance would be more for a primer.
21:02:39 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:02:46 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:04:07 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Just to mention: https://ec-jrc.github.io/dcat-ap-jrc/we published the JRC profile of DCAT-AP
21:04:39 <alejandra> https://ec-jrc.github.io/dcat-ap-jrc/
21:05:55 <DaveBrowning> DaveBrowning: This acts as a reminder that we do need to gather evidence of implementation......
21:06:41 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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21:07:38 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Are there ideas in here for future requirements
21:07:49 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: We also hosted a workshop with some presentations that could be relevant: https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/fpfis/wikis/x/EwS5FQ
21:10:16 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Includes some additional properties and potential future use cases
21:12:30 <riccardoAlbertoni> Thanks all, good night
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21:13:00 <alejandra> present+
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21:31:47 <AndreaPerego> s/would be more for a primer./would be more for a primer. AOB?/
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21:33:41 <AndreaPerego> s/we published the JRC profile of DCAT-AP//
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21:35:23 <AndreaPerego> s/Just to mention: https/Just to mention that we published the JRC profile of DCAT-AP: https/
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