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19:53:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
19:53:03 <trackbot> Date: 10 July 2019
19:53:36 <DaveBrowning> Meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
19:53:51 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.07.10
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19:54:26 <DaveBrowning> chair: DaveBrowning
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19:56:51 <DaveBrowning> regrets+ PWinstanley
19:57:12 <DaveBrowning> present+
19:58:01 <Makx> present+ makx
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20:08:20 <alejandra> +q
20:08:43 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:09:28 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:09:35 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:10:43 <SimonCox> scribe SimonCox
20:10:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:11:02 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:11:05 <SimonCox> Topic: method for completing the PR
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20:11:30 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: should we just use the spreadsheet from riccardoAlbertoni ?
20:11:55 <SimonCox> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1biOFTFAlF6wd7nhi5MsSusMokfdbwWII9OXSyfAw2iQ/edit?ts=5d25ee55#gid=0
20:13:27 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: probably not enought time to complete everything in spreadsheet
20:14:19 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: which are most critical?
20:14:40 <alejandra> +q
20:14:49 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:14:58 <SimonCox> ... (some of us have tuned out from DCAT recently, ... SimonCox DaveBrowning alejandra )
20:15:25 <SimonCox> alejandra: riccardoAlbertoni 's table is a good start.
20:15:41 <SimonCox> ... several can be pruned/merged/closed
20:16:02 <SimonCox> ... never did continuous integration
20:16:30 <SimonCox> ... has anyone checked that document and RDF are fully aligned recently?
20:17:36 <alejandra> s/never did continuous integration/we never did continuous integration and it would be good to add it so that we get automatic checks on the RDF
20:17:54 <alejandra> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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20:20:17 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:20:38 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: SimonCox
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20:23:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:23:31 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
20:23:47 <SimonCox> SimonCox: volunteers needed for 'assigned to' column in spreadsheet
20:24:08 <SimonCox> #944 Protege problem with owl:Constraint :-(
20:24:57 <Makx> q+
20:25:22 <DaveBrowning> ack Makx
20:25:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:25:53 <alejandra> +q
20:26:01 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:26:10 <SimonCox> Makx: we shouldn't do anything - there is no problem with the vcard issue
20:26:32 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:26:46 <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: need to respond to the comment, explaining that we believe the structure is fine, esp with backward compatbility concerns
20:27:37 <SimonCox> alejandra: this is the same issue we discussed a long time ago #109 contact point issues - vCard is OK - it is contact details, rather than agent
20:28:55 <AndreaPerego> Can we make a tentative proposal we can vote on?
20:29:24 <alejandra> sounds good
20:29:32 <SimonCox> Proposed: respond to renato explaning difference between contact point and agent - leave as is
20:29:34 <SimonCox> +1
20:29:38 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:29:39 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:29:42 <Makx> +1
20:29:44 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:29:50 <alejandra> +1
20:29:53 <SimonCox> action: Makx to draft response to Renato on vCard issue
20:29:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-344 - Draft response to renato on vcard issue [on Makx Dekkers - due 2019-07-17].
20:30:19 <AndreaPerego> resolved: respond to renato explaning difference between contact point and agent - leave as is
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20:30:52 <alejandra> +q
20:31:02 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:31:34 <SimonCox> #935
20:32:14 <SimonCox> alejandra: back to #935 - Makx suggested we use the word 'file' in documentation, instead of 'distribution'
20:32:19 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/935
20:33:14 <SimonCox> ... elsewhere we use 'distribution' as the noun consistently, e.g. format. It would be inconsistent to change it to 'file' for only these properties related to compression
20:33:26 <SimonCox> Makx: votes for consistency
20:33:38 <riccardoAlbertoni> I agree with alejandra, I can remove the PR
20:33:48 <SimonCox> alejandra: prefer to revert to 'distribution' rather than 'file' for internal consistency
20:33:58 <AndreaPerego> +1 from me
20:34:04 <Makx> +1 to alejandra
20:34:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> not sure about the changes ..
20:34:58 <SimonCox> SimonCox: add nearby clarification 'in many cases a distribution will be packaged as a file' or something similar
20:35:05 <SimonCox> ... as usage note
20:35:19 <alejandra> +q
20:35:30 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:35:54 <SimonCox> Clrify - use 'distribution' in all places.
20:35:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> Yes i can do it
20:36:22 <Makx> q+
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20:36:39 <DaveBrowning> ack Makx
20:37:02 <PWinstanley> present+
20:37:56 <SimonCox> #954
20:37:57 <DaveBrowning> #959
20:38:10 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/959
20:38:24 <SimonCox> Makx: this is not a problem with DCAT - it is with Dublin Core - we can't or shouldn't do anything
20:38:28 <AndreaPerego> +1 to Makx
20:38:40 <SimonCox> ... DC have said they will action, we have to wait for them
20:38:41 <SimonCox> +1
20:38:45 <DaveBrowning> 0 (agree with principle)
20:38:52 <AndreaPerego> s/#954//
20:38:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:39:29 <alejandra> +0
20:39:29 <SimonCox> No change needed
20:40:06 <SimonCox> Action: DaveBrowning to draft response on language tags
20:40:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-345 - Draft response on language tags [on David Browning - due 2019-07-17].
20:41:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> 970 ?
20:42:31 <DaveBrowning> Yes, https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/970
20:43:23 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:44:09 <PWinstanley> regrets- PWinstanley
20:44:37 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:44:42 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
20:44:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/07/10-dxwgdcat-minutes.html PWinstanley
20:45:34 <SimonCox> Use of w3cgeo 'Point' in dct:Location -
20:45:58 <SimonCox> SimonCox: explain issue with normative/non-normative status of alternatives
20:46:20 <SimonCox> ... and too many options are not good for interoperability
20:46:41 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: anyway we don't have explicit UC motivating this
20:47:25 <SimonCox> ... so agree with SimonCox proposal to remove w3geo from normative recommendation, perhaps leave example
20:48:50 <SimonCox> Proposed: remove w3geo Point from normative recommendation for dct:Location
20:48:53 <SimonCox> +1
20:48:55 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:48:56 <alejandra> +1
20:49:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:49:07 <alejandra> should we also say that we agree on leaving the example in?
20:49:29 <SimonCox> action: SimonCox to process w3cgeo Point changes
20:49:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-346 - Process w3cgeo point changes [on Simon Cox - due 2019-07-17].
20:50:49 <alejandra> +q
20:51:01 <SimonCox> SimonCox: to add some more words showing how w3cgeo is 'equivalent' but should not be used by itself - only to duplicate the WKT 'centroid' formulation
20:51:14 <SimonCox> ... in the worked example
20:51:21 <DaveBrowning> ack ale
20:51:31 <DaveBrowning> q?
20:51:50 <alejandra> yes
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20:52:44 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:53:11 <AndreaPerego> s/Clrify/Clarify/
20:53:14 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:53:59 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: Steve Richard does raise interesting principle about interoperability, when multiple options are provided.
20:54:25 <AndreaPerego> s/scribe SimonCox/scribe: SimonCox/
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20:55:15 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: at what point will we have stable document for "Proposed Recommendation"?
20:55:49 <SimonCox> ... 3 weeks? Need to have responded to all feedback received during consultation.
20:56:05 <SimonCox> ... (running into northern summer)
20:56:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:56:20 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:56:50 <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: could we postpone PR to September? Is that an option?
20:57:21 <SimonCox> I would prefer not to defer any longer ...
20:57:45 <Makx> Candidate comes before Proposed Recommendation https://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/tr.html#cfi
20:58:19 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:58:26 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:58:59 <SimonCox> Whoops
20:59:18 <SimonCox> s/Proposed Recommendation/Candidate Recommendation/
20:59:24 <SimonCox> s/Proposed Recommendation/Candidate Recommendation/
20:59:24 <SimonCox> s/Proposed Recommendation/Candidate Recommendation/
20:59:26 <SimonCox> s/Proposed Recommendation/Candidate Recommendation/
20:59:41 <AndreaPerego> So we should probably restore our regular weekly meetings to be sure we sort out things quickly
20:59:50 <SimonCox> +1 AndreaPerego
21:00:06 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to andrea proposal
21:00:18 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:00:22 <Makx> +1
21:00:26 <alejandra> +1
21:00:54 <SimonCox> Resolved: 1. restore weekly meetings 2. push to get CR out before northern summer vacations :-)
21:01:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> what date again ?
21:01:24 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: to aim for meeting with Phillipe 31 July
21:01:39 <SimonCox> ... to progress DCAT to CR
21:01:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:02:02 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:02:28 <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: will work before holidays and trust the other editors
21:02:53 <AndreaPerego> q+ to say we can close https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/974 following the decision about https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/970
21:03:18 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:03:18 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to say we can close https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/974 following the decision about https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/970
21:03:35 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: hold meeting with Phillipe at normal time
21:04:17 <AndreaPerego> Thanks everyone
21:04:26 <SimonCox> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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21:04:27 <Makx> thanks,bye
21:04:35 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks, bye
21:04:39 <PWinstanley> bye!
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