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15:49:08 <dauwhe> Meeting: Publishing Working Group Telecon
15:49:13 <dauwhe> Chair: Wendy Reid
15:49:21 <dauwhe> Date: 17 June 2019
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15:50:32 <tzviya> regrets+
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15:58:33 <dauwhe> present+
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16:00:04 <Rachel> present+
16:00:43 <dauwhe> regrets+ Geoff Jukes, Nick Ruffilo, Ivan Herman, Franco Alvarado, David Stroup, Romain Deltour
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16:01:22 <dauwhe> Zakim, what is the meaning of life?
16:01:22 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dauwhe.
16:01:44 <dauwhe> #wethenorth
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16:03:12 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
16:03:12 <garth> present+ Garth
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16:03:48 <dauwhe> wendyreid: we might have a short meeting; we were going to talk about UCR issues and Franco is gone
16:03:55 <George> present+
16:03:57 <wendyreid> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-06-03-pwg
16:04:06 <dauwhe> wendyreid: last weeks minutes need approving
16:04:21 <wendyreid> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-06-10-pwg
16:04:28 <dauwhe> ... there they are :)
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16:04:40 <dauwhe> ... minutes approved
16:04:40 <marisa> present+
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16:05:13 <laudrain> present+
16:05:14 <dauwhe> ... since we don't have Franco or Josh, I'm going to switch agendas, and talk about audiobooks
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16:05:38 <dauwhe> ... the application was put in last week for FPWD of audiobooks
16:05:39 <laurent_> present+
16:05:53 <wendyreid>  https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/408
16:05:57 <dauwhe> ... and we still have some open issues, so let's look at those
16:06:03 <dauwhe> Topic: Issue #408
16:06:29 <dauwhe> ... should we require a toc if there's supplemental material in the audiobook?
16:06:47 <dauwhe> ... or so we create a bunch of rel values
16:06:54 <laurent_> q+
16:07:04 <wendyreid> ack laurent_
16:07:08 <dauwhe> ack laur
16:07:26 <dauwhe> laurent_: I'm in favor of closing this issue, and that we will rely on @rel
16:07:42 <dauwhe> wendyreid: we'd have to create those rel values, right?
16:07:59 <dauwhe> laurent_: we need to know which values would be useful
16:08:12 <George> q+
16:08:17 <wendyreid> ack George
16:08:18 <dauwhe> ack Geor
16:08:26 <dauwhe> George: I don't have a problem with @rel
16:08:41 <dauwhe> ... was the proposal to require a TOC?
16:09:01 <dauwhe> wendyreid: the proposal was to require toc if there was supplemental material
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16:09:12 <dauwhe> George: that's ok. We do need more work on TOC.
16:09:15 <duga> present+
16:09:21 <dauwhe> ... toc should be a should :)
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16:09:33 <dauwhe> q?
16:10:24 <wendyreid> Proposal: Close #408, supplemental content will be identified in the manifest with rel values, and TOCs will be a SHOULD in the spec - best practices to follow
16:10:38 <dauwhe> wendyreid: here's the proposal ^
16:10:52 <laurent_> +1
16:10:53 <laudrain> +1
16:10:56 <George> +1
16:10:59 <marisa> +1
16:11:02 <Rachel> +1
16:11:03 <CharlesL> +1
16:11:07 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:11:18 <laudrain> q+
16:11:23 <dauwhe> ack lau
16:11:27 <JunGamo> present+
16:11:29 <wendyreid> RESOLVED: Close #408, supplemental content will be identified in the manifest with rel values, and TOCs will be a SHOULD in the spec - best practices to follow
16:11:40 <dauwhe> laudrain: there is an issue about rel values which need to be discussed later
16:11:46 <dauwhe> ... and we need rel for cover
16:12:03 <dauwhe> wendyreid: we'll address that as we see what's needed
16:12:19 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/308
16:12:24 <dauwhe> Topic: #308
16:12:35 <dauwhe> wendyreid: the question of alternate formats and bitrates
16:12:44 <dauwhe> ... we don't want to mandate media types
16:13:11 <dauwhe> ... but we still have a question of bitrates
16:13:24 <dauwhe> ... the audioobject does have a bitrate value, as does mediaobject
16:13:43 <dauwhe> ... so audioobject could contain more than one bitrate
16:13:49 <dauwhe> ... do we want to allow this?
16:14:04 <laurent_> q+
16:14:11 <wendyreid> ack laurent_
16:14:32 <dauwhe> laurent_: the structure allows one audioobject that contains other audioobjects
16:14:39 <dauwhe> ... but there is no rel value
16:15:23 <dauwhe> ... we could say in v1 of audiobooks we don't allow this
16:15:35 <dauwhe> ... and we open it up later if the publishing industry needs this
16:15:49 <dauwhe> ... we have already done this in readium
16:16:12 <dauwhe> wendyreid: I do like the idea of keeping v1 simple
16:16:31 <dauwhe> ... and I'm not wild about more @rel values
16:16:34 <duga> q+
16:16:38 <wendyreid> ack duga
16:16:48 <George> q+
16:16:49 <dauwhe> duga: I think we should put it off until the next version
16:17:03 <dauwhe> ... we shouldn't add it unless someone says they **really** need it
16:17:06 <wendyreid> ack George
16:17:06 <dauwhe> wendyreid: I agree
16:17:32 <dauwhe> George: I agree, but I recognize that in places like developing countries, having an alternative bitrate that's easier to stream is desirable
16:17:41 <laurent_> q+
16:17:48 <dauwhe> ... but we need to get this off the ground first
16:17:55 <dauwhe> wendyreid: you could do 2 audiobooks
16:17:56 <wendyreid> ack laurent_
16:18:16 <dauwhe> laurent_: if we postpone this, we know there is a schema.org solution that doesn't wreck the structure.
16:18:22 <dauwhe> ... so it's easy to defer until later.
16:18:53 <wendyreid> Proposal: Close #308 - Postpone inclusion of alternative modalities to a future version of audiobooks, look for feedback on implementation of v1
16:19:12 <dauwhe> +1
16:19:19 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:19:20 <laudrain> +1
16:19:23 <duga> +1
16:19:34 <laurent_> +1
16:19:35 <garth> +1
16:19:48 <dauwhe> George: Is modality the right word?
16:20:09 <dauwhe> wendyreid: it was a way to say alternative formats and bitrates
16:20:10 <George> +1
16:20:24 <wendyreid> RESOLVED: Close #308 - Postpone inclusion of alternative formats and bitrates to a future version of audiobooks, look for feedback on implementation of v1
16:20:54 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/417
16:20:56 <dauwhe> wendyreid: RAPTORS RULE!!!!!!!
16:21:01 <dauwhe> Topic: #417
16:21:35 <dauwhe> wendyreid: the TAG and Tess was asking about RSS
16:21:49 <dauwhe> ... it's a good question... it's not a bad idea for audiobooks
16:21:54 <dauwhe> ... it works well for podcasts
16:22:10 <dauwhe> ... the best argument I have for not including it is that publishers won't do it
16:22:15 <dauwhe> ... but that's not a great answer
16:22:20 <dauwhe> ... Tess and I are still talking
16:22:41 <dauwhe> ... but we're not using it in our spec
16:23:05 <dauwhe> ... and we're still talking to the TAG
16:24:04 <dauwhe> wendyreid: TPAC early bird registration closes on June 21
16:24:07 <wendyreid> http://www.w3.org/2019/09/TPAC/
16:24:21 <CharlesL> September
16:24:51 <dauwhe> ... sadly I won't be in Fukuoka, but I will call in
16:24:52 <CharlesL> q+
16:24:57 <wendyreid> ack CharlesL
16:25:25 <dauwhe> CharlesL: there's a small issue with registering at the hotel if you don't pick the default dates
16:25:36 <dauwhe> ... the price doubles; they're looking into fixing that
16:25:40 <dauwhe> ... go Raptors!
16:26:10 <dauwhe> wendyreid: our meeting is monday/tuesday; the BG meeting happens Thursday, the plenary/unconference day is Wednesday
16:26:20 <dauwhe> ... next week we'll talk about UCR
16:26:30 <dauwhe> ... and enjoy the rest of your day
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16:26:41 <dauwhe> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:26:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/06/17-pwg-minutes.html dauwhe
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16:26:46 <dauwhe> RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:27:10 <dauwhe> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:27:24 <dauwhe> zakim: bye
16:27:28 <dauwhe> zakim, bye
16:27:28 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been wendyreid, dauwhe, dkaplan, Rachel, gpellegrino, bigbluehat, CharlesL, Garth, Bill_Kasdorf, George, marisa, laudrain, laurent_,
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16:27:33 <dauwhe> RRSAgent, bye
16:27:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items